Camp Lejeune NC CLL

[laldoroty]

Any one with CLL contacted at Camp Lejeune NC, are you considering filing a law suit with the new water contamination law which will be enacted shortly. I would like to discuss this topic.

[64lusso]

I just spent a week at the beach in North Carolina and while I don't watch much TV, from what little I did it sure looks like the trial lawyers are drooling over this one. Lots of 1-800-suethem adds with a list of almost every imaginable type of cancer included. I didn't notice whether CLL was included in that list but since I never spent time at Camp Lejeune I didn't pay close attention.

[laldoroty in reply to 64lusso]

Thanks for the info. I spent 2 1/2 years there.

[64lusso in reply to laldoroty]

My son in law was there for at least that long as well. He’s in his 40s now and no issues that I’m aware of.

[laldoroty in reply to 64lusso]

Thanks for the info. I don't think your son in law has any worries as the problems occurred between 1953 through 1987.

[KMac1969 in reply to 64lusso]

The worst.. If people knew what these "firms" were like, and the actual motivation behind them, they would run away. I have seen it first hand. Awful..

[Big_Dee in reply to KMac1969]

Hello KMac1969

You are so right. I spent many years as consultant to legal council. In my circles we call these law suits "chain cases" once they achieve a court victory, the law firms just keep turning the same documents over with different clients and taking a very heavy slice of the court award with little effort on their part.

[KMac1969 in reply to Big_Dee]

It is the biggest scam known.. Let me give a brief summary of one of my experiences.

In the US, Owens Corning was sued for asbestos exposure, because insulation from many years ago, was made using asbestos. As was siding for houses, and many other things. WW2 veterans, insulators, pipe fitters, Stevedores, etc.. were all victims. The condition was called Asbestosis. It is a lung condition.

Anyway, my first wife's dad, was a WW2 vet. Served in the Navy. Fought all over the Pacific. He arrived in Hawaii on December 8, 1941. He was on the USS San Juan, a Light Antiaircraft cruiser. He then became a Stevedore and a welder.

He started getting sick in 1989. He was diagnosed with Scleroderma. He then had a stroke while unloading plywood. He had an "undiagnosed" problem where he would get violently ill after eating, his stomach would swell, like he swallowed a basketball. He was in pure agony, and I hated it. He went to many doctors around here trying to find out what was wrong. It was during these trying times, he/they were approached by an attorney that was "apprised" of his situation by a doctor friend. These types of things are the very reason we have HIPAA laws today.

So, this guy shows up to their home. Business card and briefcase in hand. He was representing the "people" in a civil class action suit against the manufacturers of asbestos, and Henry fit the criteria for a seat at the table. This guy was from Houston, Texas. Wanted to fly Henry out to see their doctors. "Won't cost you a penny", he said.

Henry and Ann (wife) fly out to Houston. See doctors. Sign papers.. Come home. Then, they are "assigned" local representation. Then local doctors. He is picked up and driven to every doctors appointment. Every deposition. "You will be made whole when we are finished. What has happened to you is a tragedy".

Well, Henry suffered for about 3 years and then mercifully, died. I really like him. I was glad his suffering ended. Well, there was a HUGE settlement. BILLIONS of dollars. Henry's share was almost $400,000. This "award of suit settlement" went to Ann, and the 4 children. Henry dies intestate, so it went to his heirs. Ann got 50% and the children split the rest 4 ways. All signed it back to Ann. The grand total of her "windfall"? Less than $30,000. When she balked, and asked, "What is going on here?" She was met with a flat, "It's all in the papers you signed".

The law firm in Houston got 40%. The law firm here locally got 20%. Then all the bills had to be paid. The doctors, the transportation, all the "free" stuff.. Even a total count of paper clips, and I am not kidding. They took it all.

We went through it with the BP oil spill.. Lawyers made a fortune, once again.

My son is in the middle of a fight right now because he signed a paper for representation at the suggestion from his Aunt, who is insurance. He was involved in an accident. He was hit and injured. His truck, heavily damaged. He owns his own business and used the truck to move heavy equipment, etc.. The person who hit him is an illegal immigrant and unlicensed. Just learned that earlier this week. He spoke no English and another guy came to the scene and helped him communicate. It is a company truck that he was driving. The insurance Company is refusing to pay due to him being an illegal and unlicensed. So, he is filing it under his insurance. But............. the lawyer wants to sue HIS (my sons) insurance, even though they are taking care of it.. My son told him no, but he told my son, "You signed the contract, and I am owed 33.33%". These people are bottom feeders. Ambulance chasers is what we call them. I don't mean all attorneys. I have 2 brothers that are attorneys, successful ones. It is just certain ones.

[Yuck in reply to KMac1969]

Hi Kyle, Thanks for sharing! You always speak the truth. Hope you are well!~ Yuck

[KMac1969 in reply to Yuck]

I am doing my best to stay safe. It just seems something is always lurking around the corner. Lol.

[BeckyLUSA in reply to 64lusso]

The list of cancers included in the list shows simply “Leukemia”. I would assume that means any form of leukemia.

[Winegrape]

We got a call this week. My mother hung up on them and told me it had to do with Camp Lejeune.

[SeymourB]

laldoroty -

There is a real threat due to a number of careless practices, but CLL is a little more controversial:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_...

Sadly, most reports do not mention the type of leukemias. Strontium has even been used as a treatment for CLL.

Lawsuits may take a long time. A VA disability application may pay off sooner:

va.gov/disability/eligibili...

The standard of proof for civil lawsuits in the U.S. is considerably looser than for scientific proof.

=seymour=

References:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Clinical encounter with three cancer patients affected by groundwater contamination at Camp Lejeune: a case series and review of the literature

Patient 1 - ALL (Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia) presumably acquired in infancy

Patient 2 - Multiple cancers, including CLL. Stationed at Lejeune for 25 years.

Patient 3 - Carcinomas and melanomas

The paper has quite a few useful references.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Target Organ Metabolism, Toxicity, and Mechanisms of Trichloroethylene and Perchloroethylene: Key Similarities, Differences, and Data Gaps

"Cancer of the Lympho-Hematopoietic System. A modest increase in the risk of NHL and related B-cell lymphomas (including chronic lymphocytic leukemia, hairy cell leukemia, and multiple myeloma) associated with TCE exposure has been observed in several studies, across study designs and geographic locations. "

The paper has references to studies associating CLL and TCE or PCE, but results were inconsistent.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Lessons Learned From Presumptive Condition Lists in Veteran Compensation Systems

Exposure criteria: "Veterans who participated in a “radiation-risk” activity: Onsite participation in a test involving atmospheric detonation of a nuclear device; Occupation of Hiroshima or Nagasaki, Japan, between August 6, 1945, and July 1, 1946..."

Condition: "Multiple Myeloma, All forms of leukemia (other than chronic lymphocytic leukemia);..."

Exposure criteria: "Exposed to nuclear radiation"

Condition: "All forms of leukemia (except chronic lymphocytic leukemia); Lymphomas (other than Hodgkin's lymphomas); Multiple Myeloma; ..."

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Cancer clusters in the USA: What do the last twenty years of state and federal investigations tell us?

Published online 2012 Apr 21

"Finally, we recognize that we did not include certain ongoing, high visibility cluster investigations such as the cluster of cancers in Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. These were not reviewed because completed investigation reports were not available."

Site:Wisconsin

chronic lymphocytic leukemia:1

Exposure: Pesticides:1, VOCs:1, chloroform:1, carbon tetrachloride:1

No evidence of link between cluster and hypothesized exposure

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Radiation and the Risk of Chronic Lymphocytic and Other Leukemias among Chornobyl Cleanup Workers

Counter to the VA's assumptions against radiation exposure causing CLL, this paper finds an association, and has references. An association is not causation, but is the starting point for further research. However, such evidence may be seen as strong in a civil case.

"Although most types of leukemia are known to be radiogenic (Little et al. 1999; Preston et al. 1994), to date very few studies have provided substantial evidence for a radiogenic excess of chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL) (UNSCEAR 2008). However, the view that CLL is not caused by radiation has been questioned (Linet et al. 2007; Richardson et al. 2005), and more recent studies based on incident rather than mortality outcomes have suggested a radiation effect on CLL as well as on other types of leukemia (Kesminiene et al. 2008; Lane et al. 2010; Mohner et al. 2010; Rericha et al. 2006; Romanenko et al. 2008b)."

[SeymourB]

laldoroty -

In looking at your history, I see that you already applied for disability. Keep us posted on that aspect, please.

=seymour=

[laldoroty in reply to SeymourB]

Thanks for the reply and information. I have been collecting full compensation for my CLL since 2019, I recently heard about the new developments and was considering joining a lawsuit but have since decided to wait awhile and see how things develop. I found this article on the internet and found it very informative. millerandzois.com/camp-leje....

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[SeymourB in reply to laldoroty]

laldoroty -

If you want to follow the bill, see:

congress.gov/bill/117th-con...

It's still in committee as of today, July 23, 2022.

=seymour=

[Hidden]

Hello laldorotyMy husband has cll, but my father was at camp lejeune in NC and had kidney cancer. He fought for benefits from his exposure. He gets a monthly check from govt, (not that it heals his ills but, still)....So, if you have any questions about it, feel free to message me & I will help best I can. Be well!!

Cookie~

[laldoroty in reply to Hidden]

Sorry I forgot to include this. millerandzois.com/camp-leje....

[laldoroty]

I have been collecting full VA compensation for CLL since 2019 and I am contemplating joining a lawsuit under the new law which will come into effect shortly. I have an acritical from a Law firm which I think is very informative and may be of help to your father. Please note that it states you will be able to file a lawsuit even if you have already collected benefits. Leo

[Hidden in reply to laldoroty]

Thank you!