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This is a follow-on from yesterday's post: Research on effectiveness of different face coverings. I'm making a new post because it's long and a bit involved, and of course I want people to read it.

Newdawn posted the results of the Duke University study on face coverings advances.sciencemag.org/con... which is a useful guide for situations where the main effect of the covering is to protect bystanders from transmission of the virus in droplets coughed and spluttered by the wearer. Many people wrongly believe that wearing a mask is mainly to protect themselves.

But what of the wearer's own safety? What about the clinically extremely vulnerable, we who have recently been unshielded? Is there a mask good enough to protect us as we mingle again, out there in the world, with people who may or may not be masked up? Good enough to stop us inhaling virus particles that other folk have simply breathed into the air? The long-held official line, that hand-washing and social distancing was all we needed to keep us safe from Covid19, has been debunked by several studies highlighting the aerosol transmission route. Just read the 10-line summary of this recent article in The Lancet thelancet.com/journals/lanr...

Back to face coverings, let's get one thing straight: the moniker "surgical mask" is misleading. Yes, they are used in certain medical settings, but think Doctor Dolitttle: surgical masks do little to protect the wearer. A heavy-duty "respirator" is much more effective in that respect. Knowing the essential differences between these two kinds of face protection could save your life. cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/Un...

Note that a respirator must be close fitting to keep out particles as designed. Because of that and the resistance the fabric offers to air flow, a respirator is more of a chore to wear than a looser-fitting lightweight mask. So when, if at all, is it worth the trouble? Let's first look at what respirators are supposed to do, and then how they measure up in practice.

The most widely used classification of respirators is that of NIOSH, the National Institute For Occupational Safety and Health in the USA. The "N" rating of a respirator denotes it is not designed to stop oil particles. For that you need an "R" rated (oil-Resistant) or better still a "P" rated respirator (oil-Proof). The number after the letter, 95/ 99/ 100, denotes the percentage of particulate matter the mask - sorry respirator - is supposed to keep out. Accordingly the Top of the Range would be a P100 respirator, designed to stop 99.97 % of particles including oil.

Hang on a minute: Why is oil resistance important? In the COVID context, it's because virus particles have a lipid coating - they are oily on the outside and could slip through an N-rated respirator more easily than through one P-rated.

And another thing: These respirators were designed primarily to keep out fine particulates in industrial settings. Virus particles are really small, so can't they get though any fabric, oil-proof or not? While a P100 respirator should filter out 99.97 % of airborne particles bigger than 0.3 microns (a millimetre is one thousand microns), that should be no obstacle to a SARS-Cov2 virion measuring ~ 0.1 microns, right? And if an inhaled virion could take just 10 minutes to break into one of your body's cells and 10 hours later a thousand copies break out again, that spells trouble, right? Doesn't that make both respirators and masks redundant, if they only keep out visible water droplets fired directly at you?

Well, it seems not. Research published seven years ago ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl... measured the performance of NIOSH-approved respirators against aerosolised particles of the virus MS2 (0.03 microns) and found the N95 to be 98 % effective and the P100 to be 99.97 % effective - both well up to their specification for particles ten times as large. Results so inexplicably good, it raises the question: was the test sufficiently rigorous? In the authors' study aerosol particles measured mostly less than 1 micron, while they cited an earlier study which had shown that in a healthcare setting, during the peak of influenza season, most virus particles were in agglomerations larger than 1 micron. A yet earlier study also found the better N95s were up to spec, while surgical masks were easliy penetrated by MS2 virus particles.

Consequently, the 2013 research appears rigorous and inspires confidence that in the real world, NIOSH-approved respirators do protect the wearer from airborne virus particles. Not perfectly, but pretty effectively.

This is the place to add that neither a face mask nor a Top of Range respirator protects the eyes, which provide an alternative entry point for virus. If you want to do the job properly, wear a respirator and glasses, and live with the annoying challenge of taking the one off while leaving the other on, while not touching any part of either that comes into contact with the face!

So we have masks that we can wear to protect others from our coughs and sneezes, and we have respirators that we can wear to protect ourselves and, possibly, others at the same time. I say "possibly" because there are respirators on the market with exhalation valves to make them more tolerable in prolonged use. These valved respirators are just as good at protecting the wearer but no-one else, and a respirator with a forward-facing valve can turbo-charge the wearer's oral emissions, sending them out well beyond 2 metres. healthunlocked.com/api/redi...

Many will argue that a respirator is OTT when in most situations a cheap surgical mask, runner-up in Duke University's test, will do. To an extent I agree. Use Duke's list to pick a face covering mainly to protect others, and in public keep your distance from anyone not wearing such a face covering. But as the economy opens up, new opportunities for transmission open up too, largely because the relaxation of certain control measures is predicated on a) lower prevalence of disease, which on a national basis is true, and b) other control measures getting better, which is highly questionable.

If you are clinically vulnerable and have to leave home to be around other people in an indoor environment, e.g. in an office, a school, a hospital, a shop, on public transport, etc, forget how well spaced people are. If you are breathing other folks' air for more than a few minutes, an N95 or better is what you should be wearing.

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onu1tadi2

People wearing masks naively think it means they can come up to you and talk to you at close range Some store clerks have done that to me. I social distance, and avoid wearing masks unless necessary to enter grocery store. Then I stay apart from people and do not wear a mask, as it reduces oxygen, makes me cough and brings on asthma attacks. But when I went to hospital today to talk to a surgeon, of course, I put on mask as he said he is with patients close up all day and did not want to infect me. He also said I just had to cover up the part facing him, could keep other side loose. He is a top surgeon in North America in his field. Also talking close to a person for some time is not a good idea, but accidentally being close for a few seconds results in very low probability of catching the virus according to what many established voices in science say.

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bennevisplace in reply to onu1tadi2

Hi. That's an interesting anecdote of your visit to the surgeon. IMO he is right to be cautious, being around patients all day, but I wonder if his caution extends to protecting himself with medical grade PPE. If he was concerned about the risk of his infecting you, for your consultation he should have been wearing a surgical mask at least.

Here in the UK, you can get a face to face appointment with a doctor only when strictly necessary, hospital treatments are delayed and operations postponed. Most consultations are done face to face. The UK government has just commissioned an inquiry into the deaths of 620 health and social care workers from Covid19. Lack of suitable PPE will be a big factor.

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onu1tadi2 in reply to bennevisplace

Here too most consultations e phone. He was wearing mask too.

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bennevisplace in reply to onu1tadi2

Correction, second paragraph : Most consulations are done not face to face but by telephone.

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Penkman

I agree with everything you have detailed and on the rare occasions on which I have started to go out into the wider world I wear a mask rated N95 (FFP2 Euro equivalent approx).

As these masks are quite expensive relatively speaking, using them just once and then throwing away seems a very expensive way of protecting ourselves.

My question is:-

After wearing, is it acceptable to store the mask in a plastic bag for a period of greater than 4 days before using it again?

If the virus does not survive on surfaces longer than 4 days then surely in the unlikely event of the mask being contaminated then it presumably would be safe to wear the mask again.

I can find no evidence to support this and do not seek to encourage anybody to follow it but it would be great to be able to find out and not waste money discarding masks unnecessarily.

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bennevisplace in reply to Penkman

Extracts from the US Center For Disease Control website cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc...

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N95 FFR performance will decrease as the number of hours and number of donnings and doffings increase. The number of times that an FFR can be reused will likely be limited by its fit because the tethering straps can become weaker or stretched after each donning. Each time an N95 FFR is donned or doffed, the integrity of the straps may be impacted. Repeated donning and doffing will result in the straps no longer being able to generate enough force to create a tight seal with the face. The resulting poor seal will allow unfiltered air to enter the N95 FFR and into the wearer’s breathing zone.

The outer layer of the FFR, which is the layer furthest from the wearer’s face, can become contaminated when exposed to virus aerosols.

The inner layer of the FFR, which is the closet to the wearer’s face, is unlikely to be contaminated.

The electret filtering layer, which is found between the inner and outer layers of the FFR, captures most of the aerosolized virus particles.

NIOSH found that, as of April 2020, ultraviolet germicidal irradiation, vaporous hydrogen peroxide, and moist heat have shown the most promise as potential methods to decontaminate FFRs.

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It seems to me that if you're leaving the N95 unused for 4 days in a warm moist environment you should be fine. CDC recommends to use max 5 times but that is in a healthcare setting probably with prolonged usage times.

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bennevisplace

BTW, anyone rushing out to buy a respirator should check whether it's a genuine approved product, see cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/usernot...

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lexie

It is unsettling that airlines are banning masks with vents, valves, especially since I bought 3M N95's with vents prior to the covid surge in spring in anticipation of my flight to Iceland which was later cancelled. I had still planned to use those masks when the travel restriction are lifted. I saw photos of doctors wearing N95's with surgical masks over on a crowded flight so I wonder if that would be allowed.

I read somewhere that when washing fabric masks that if you do not rinse the soap out that it acts like a surfactant, trapping certain sized molecules that would have passed through. That seems reasonable to me.

engr.utexas.edu/news/archiv...

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It seems your choice of N95 with exhalation valve was without prior knowledge. Had you bought N95 without the valve, wouldn't you be OK within flight regs?

N95 without valve protects you and others. With valve, the design neglects protecting others as there is not filtration of what you exhale.

The air regulations seem entirely appropriate. The people on the flight with highest ongoing levels of exposure are the flight crews due to their repetitive exposure on multiple flights. It is entirely reasonable for the airlines to protect their personnel, and all passengers as all are exposed to everyone's exhalation to a degree.

I would feel quite unsettled if I was seated near you with you wearing a valved mask.

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Yes I am aware of how the N95 with valve works and is why I brought up double masking as a solution.

"I would feel quite unsettled if I was seated near you with you wearing a valved mask." Yup, that goes without saying doesn't it?

in reply to lexie

Sorry that I apparently misunderstood what you were saying. We are in agreement.

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bennevisplace in reply to lexie

lexie, thanks, the idea of impregnating a surgical mask with a surfactant sounds promising as they are so much more comfortable to wear. If it works the soap barrier would break down the lipid coating of virions, transforming the mask into a virus-catcher. But how would you know if your soapy mask was working any better than a "naked" mask? Maybe the method can be tested and products certified.

Dosing HVAC systems in buildings, airplanes etc, seems a sound idea. There have been case studies implicating such systems in virus transmission, and the proposal fits neatly into an "engineering approach" to making buildings safe places to be in while Covid is still around. Minimising the risk of airborne transmission by scrubbing air and improving flow in ventilation systems ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl... should be an integral part of opening up workplaces and transportation. Such initiatives will only become reality with government support. Let's hope.

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Emerfly

Thank you for all this valuable information regarding masks Bennivispace . I had to visit an ENT specialist yesterday . I wore a N95 non ventilated mask, a good face shield and gloves . I am not a risk taker ( I also wear a huge button/badge that says immune compromised please keep your distance 🤪) He said he was glad to see a patient properly kitted out to protect themselves and others . He was in full PPE gear . I am constantly amazed that people wearing loose fitting surgical/ cloth masks think they are protecting anyone ,least of all th themselves . Or that people think wearing a shield alone is enough protection. I wear the mask to protect my mouth and nose , the shield to protect my eyes and also to stop me touching my mask or my face . I use the N95 masks several times ...I hang them in a sunny window for a few days . I make sure they are fitting snugly with no gaps . It’s easy to check if your mask works ...try blowing out a lighter . If you can blow it out , the mask is not working . Yes I find it uncomfortable , difficult to breathe so only wear it for as long as is absolutely necessary , (it sure beats a ventilator ! ) in any enclosed space that’s not my own home and even in my home if I have visitors I wear it and they sit 2 metres (6.5ft) away from me,also masked while I sit at an open french door . I’ve been called neurotic and OTT , but it doesn’t bother me . I’ll do everything it takes not to get Covid 19. Nothing I could do about CLL but I’ll be damned if I’ll let something preventable send me 6ft under !

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How do I know if my mask actually works? What about the ‘candle test’?

What do I look for in a surgical mask, a cloth mask and how to test your mask at home?

theconversation.com/how-do-...

More on mask wearing and fitting: healthunlocked.com/cllsuppo...

Other mask search results:

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Neil

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Shepherd777 in reply to AussieNeil

The candle test was very enlightening when the candle stays lite.

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bennevisplace

Good advice in those columns, thanks.

To make masks more virus-unfriendly, lexie suggested impregnating the fabric with soap, which one could achieve by washing and omitting the rinse part of the cycle (disclaimer: I have zero expertise with washing machines).

Alternatively, to make masks water repellent one could wash them in something like nikwax.com/en-gb/products/p...

Or after washing, spray the outer with something like nikwax.com/en-gb/products/p...

Recommend using water-based, low vapour products with little scent.

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13 insider tips on how to wear a mask without your glasses fogging up, getting short of breath or your ears hurting

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