Has anyone reversed osteoporosis?

[Rosrzb]

Hi. I’m new to the community. I’ve just been diagnosed very recently with osteoporosis in the neck of my femur, and close to osteoporosis in my lumbar spine. I’m looking at ways to manage this conservatively and avoid drugs with nasty side effects, and from what I’ve found out so far, can build ‘cheap’ bone. Things I’m looking into are supplements, the Marodyne LIV platform and making yoghurt with L Reuteri, as well as weight bearing exercise. Grateful for any feedback on what actually works. Also, I will be referred to a specialist- any input, good or bad, about drug therapies also helpful. Thanks in advance!

[Margo]

Yes, with D3, K2, Magnesiam Glycinate vitamin C supplements

[Rosrzb in reply to Margo]

Thanks Margo - that’s great news. I’ve been taking 1,000 IUs of D3 daily since I found out I had an insufficiency in 2015. Then in 2018 I started taking vitamin K2 MK 7 200 daily. However I hadn’t been taking calcium or magnesium. I rushed out after the osteoporosis result to get some supplements and got Vitabiotics Osteocare, only to find out afterwards it’s calcium carbonate rather than the better absorbed calcium citrate. It does also have magnesium and boron in it though, but looking at the packet it’s magnesium hydroxide, not the glycinate form you mention- I will look into that thanks. I’ve also started slow release vitamin C.

[Margo in reply to Rosrzb]

Have sent you a private message.

[Bones1187 in reply to Rosrzb]

You mentioned vitamin D, calcium, magnesium k2 supplements. Just make sure you’re taking adequate amounts of each. (& cut out sugar & increase water). I’ve found many supplements list too little amounts. You need a well rounded amount of minerals. My goal is to get vitamin D levels at least 60 to 80 ng/ml on my bloodwork. My research indicates this is optimal. Since vitamin D is the Director of where the calcium is deposited, an Insufficient amount of vitamin D ( or magnesium, or K2,etc. defeats the successful outcome.

Consider using a rebounder aka mini trampoline exercising with the “health bounce”. It’s nothing aggressive and reportedly yields health benefits for osteoporosis. It’s easy to add to all we’re doing. I can watch Utube videos, check emails or talk on the phone easily. Check out Barbara O’Neill’s videos.

With all I’m doing ( supplements, diet, exercise) I’ve noticed my nails have improved. They are rock hard… like never before. I’m hoping this is an indication that ( maybe) my bones are improving too. Some research indicates this may be true. I won’t know for several months at my next Dexa if I have been successful in slowing my bone density decline or seeing an increase.

Hope this gives you more to research and consider. I’d love to hear what others are doing.

[Rosrzb in reply to Bones1187]

Thanks. I had my Vitamin D level checked a few months ago and it is optimal. I’m not sure what dose the K2 one a day supplement is so will have to check. I have a serious back problem which would preclude trampoline bouncing (I’ve tried in the past on our sons’ trampoline). However, I’ve been doing just a little bit of jumping today when I was out on my walk (when no one was around!!) I will see how I do with that. I ordered some Garden of Life Grow Bones supplements too. They include digestive enzymes to help you absorb micronutrients better. Thanks for the tip about Barbara O’Neill videos. I will look her out now.

[Bones1187 in reply to Rosrzb]

Just a note regarding the “health bounce”. It’s barely bouncing. Feet do not leave the mat. Only the heals. I cannot “jump” on the earth but I can do the “health bounce”. There also is the “ buddy bounce” strategy for those who cannot bounce on their own. You get the benefit of the gravity force without the jump. Since you already have a trampoline and a jumper ( your son) consider researching this as a possibility. You sound like you are well on your way in developing a diverse self-help treatment plan. Please continue to update us all.

[Rosrzb in reply to Bones1187]

Thanks, that’s very helpful. I’ve also been watching a Barbara O’Neill video. She’s great isn’t she? What she’s saying accords with what I’ve heard from other sources like Vivian Goldschmidt and Marilyn Glenville. I feel that I really cleaned up my diet several months ago - mainly plant based, oily fish several times a week and very little meat and dropped dairy. Also about 4 years ago I added masses of greens to our diet. However I lost a fair amount of weight doing time restricted eating (down from 60kg to 55kg) and that might not have been so good, and was actually unintentional as I was eating breakfast, just late. I also exercise regularly. I will try the various supplements, beef up my exercise, adding in some jumping and make the L Reuteri yoghurt (a concession to dairy!) and think about the low intensity vibration plate. Open to any other suggestions though as I am a newbie at this! Thank you so much.

[dog45678]

Good results from the Marodyne LiV. Didn't change too much else to be honest. Wish you the best

[Rosrzb in reply to dog45678]

Hi - that’s really good news. I’m thinking of buying one but £3k is a lot to shell out - but worth every penny if it works. I was watching a YouTube video yesterday with the inventor discussing it with Margaret Martin. How long did it take for you to get results?

[dog45678 in reply to Rosrzb]

My additional benefits almost immediate. Bone density results improve from 12 months.

[Rosrzb in reply to dog45678]

Thanks. Sounds good. Can I just ask what additional benefits you got please?

[Stayloose in reply to Rosrzb]

I was impressed with the interview. I think the cost in the UK makes it out of reach for most people. It's a shame they don't have them in gyms where you could try it out 🤔

[Rosrzb in reply to Stayloose]

Agreed. My gym has a power plate but that’s high intensity, which can apparently be harmful ☹️

[Pte82]

Rosrzb, can't go wrong with magnesium, boron, at least 3 mg, and annatto tocotrienol. One other thing to investigate is collagen. Ryan Taylor has a youtube video called #1 Mineral To BOOST Collagen. Dr. Berg has one called The #1 Nutrient to Boost Your Collagen (NOT VITAMIN C). Collagen is important for bone health too. Both videos are worth a watch. On the subject of boron Dr Jorge Flechas MD youtube video called:Boron and Health - Osteoporosis Reversal, Arthritis, Testosterone, Mental Health

tells how boron stopped his loss of height. Finally, this link offers benefits of annatto tocotrienol including your bones. Always consult your health care provider before using any supplement.

dougcookrd.com/annatto/

[Rosrzb in reply to Pte82]

Brilliant thank you. I will watch these videos. I watched Ken Berry earlier talking about collagen and saying eat gristle. I baulked at the thought of that!! I haven’t heard of an annatto tocotrienol- so will look into that.

[Pte82 in reply to Rosrzb]

Rosrzb, yes, it's important to learn how things work. Something else to know how it works is digestion and absorption. What's the use of consuming all these supplies only to believe they don't work when the bone scan numbers continue to recede? The answer begins with B, B1 that is also called thiamine. Thiamine needs to become activated by magnesium and you say I take both, so what. There are anti thiamine factors that diminish or destroy thiamine that are found in the stuttersence link. Likewise magnesium can take a hit as the list shows in the krispin link. Although the eonutrition links deal with sibo etc, it does a good job of explaining digestion and absorption too.

stuttersense.blogspot.com/2...

krispin.com/magnes.html

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

eonutrition.co.uk/post/when...

eonutrition.co.uk/post/thia...

[Piglet44 in reply to Rosrzb]

An endocrinologist ( and expert on osteoporosis) just told me yesterday in an online zoom lecture that taking collagen does not help bones at all as it is not absorbed into the body.

[HeronNS]

Here's my story:

healthunlocked.com/pmrgcauk...

[Rosrzb]

Wow HeronNS. What a story. This is super helpful and I will be sure to check out the references in there. Thank you so much, and I hope you continue to do well.

[HeronNS in reply to Rosrzb]

Considering what a klutz I am I think I'd have broken something in recent years if I was vulnerable, and touch wood I haven't!

[Rosrzb]

That’s excellent

[skinnykangal]

The good news is YES it can be done. I am in the process of reversing osteoporosis naturally using a combination of diet and exercise. My history is recorded on this forum if you can look it up. My first post as skinnykangal should be around Dec 2021/Jan 2022. I follow an 80:20 alkaline diet and do weight-bearing exercise and brisk walking at least 5times per week. Foods to stay in the 20% category include meat, wheat, sugar, dairy, caffeine, carbonated beverages, alcohol, salt and food preservatives and chemicals. My next bone density scan is in December - I am hoping for further improvement. I am very happy to help and to message further if this is helpful to you.

[Rosrzb in reply to skinnykangal]

Thank you. What sort of weight bearing exercise do you do? Do you take any supplements? I will see if I can find your older posts.I hope your scan in December shows further improvement.

[skinnykangal in reply to Rosrzb]

Hi, I mainly do yoga as I find it works the arms and shoulders as well as the back, core and legs. My brisk walking is around 8.5km and I try for 4 times a week. I am doing less at the moment as I am on holiday but hope to increase back to my normal regime as soon as I can.

Sorry I couldn't send you a link to my previous posts - I am a self-confessed techno-numpty and would have no idea how to approach that!😊. I am away from my data back-up at the moment but can send copies when I get back if you can't track them down and think you will find them useful.

I was taking over the counter supplements of Vits D3 and K2 and Calcium but stopped around Xmas when it was suspected they might be causing damage to my liver. I continued with the diet and exercise regime for bone health and in May 2022 I saw an internist who told me there was no need for me to take supplements. She is aware of my condition. So here I am - just on exercise and diet til Dec. I will post when I get my results. Good luck with everything. Sounds like you are on the right track.

[Rosrzb in reply to skinnykangal]

Thanks. That’s a bit scary about supplements being suspected as causing liver damage. I’m taking the ones you mentioned and more - I’m seeing a functional doctor soon so will get a battery of tests done. I’ve been on D3 and K2 for quite a while, but only started calcium recently. So far this has been calcium carbonate (I might as well gnaw on limestone!) but I’ve just now got something called Garden of Life grow bone formula. I hope it’s not also the liver damage formula!

[Piglet44]

What do you mean by "chemicals"? Everything is chemical including our bodies, our bones, our blood!

[skinnykangal in reply to Piglet44]

I mean the chemicals and preservatives that go into any processed, prepared foods. Many of them are not there to provide nourishment - they are there to provide structure, shape, flavour and colour to the product and allow it to hold its architecture and appearance while we subject it to a cooking process. Read a list of ingredients on any processed food - some of them are unrecognisable. I am holding to the 'If it ain't a food don't put it in your body' school of nutrition. And so far 👍it seems to be working.

Sorry if that was not clear in my initial post.

[Piglet44]

Ok that's fine.

[Cappuccinobaby]

If osteoporosis is caused by hyperparathyroidism, bone density will improve within 2 years of having surgery to cure the hyperparathyroidism

[Rosrzb]

Good point - another thing that always needs to be checked out. I hope you are doing well.

[FearFracture]

Go to BetterBones.com and search for Cindi's story (she was able to reverse her osteoporosis naturally) also check out the Australian LiftMOR study.

If you live in a city with an OsteoStrong.me you may want to check it out. If you do join an OsteoStrong and they try to get you to use a whole body vibration (WBV) machine, don't use it--WBV is too jarring and can even cause retina detachment--but do use the 4 pieces of osteogenic loading equipment that they have. To find out more about their program visit their website and watch some of their videos. Because there is not an OsteoStrong with in 2 hours of my home, I have not joined. But if there were an OsteoStrong within driving distance, I would definitely sign up.

I think the Marodyne LiV sounds very promising and depending on my future DEXAs I would definitely consider getting one.

Right now I am in the process of looking at zero drop shoes or minimalist shoes. melioguide.com/perfect-post...

It seems that minimalist shoes are just as good as foot exercises, and since I have already joined a gym and take 2 twenty minute walks at least 6 days a week, changing the shoes I wear is easier than adding on more to my exercise routine.

Before taking any meds, on the BetterBones.com website search for osteoporosis tests and you will find a list of tests that you should discuss with your doctor prior to taking any meds, to rule out other causes for you bone loss.

My endocrinologist did not do this before prescribing drugs, but I highly recommend having bone marker tests done.

Also, if you have already been through menopause, if you aren't already taking HRT (hormone replacement therapy) you should discuss that option with your doctor. Note, I did not do HRT and my endocrinologist failed to mention it as an option to potentially help my BMD. I'm in the process of finding a new endocrinologist and I am planning to discuss this option with my new doctor, but the earliest I would start, if HRT is an option for me is in November 2022.

[Rosrzb in reply to FearFracture]

Thanks FearFracture, that’s really helpful. I will check out the other tests and go prepared to the doctor.

[youvegotmail]

Hi I recently joined this site and have been reading posts about osteoporosis which I was diagnosed with at age of 46 in 2009. Due to other problems I have been on steroids since 2010. I was given strontium Ranelate for 6 years and it improved my bone density to osteopenia. I was not given anything then, except Calceos, vitamin D and calcium as it was osteopenia. I was also told in 2019 to cut down calcium tabs from 2 to 1. I also take, after reading up on bones, Vit C, Zinc, Boron and Magnesium. I work in a supermarket filling shelves and am on my feet all day and before pandemic did Pilates once a week, so felt I was helping my bones. I was due my next Dexa scan at end of 2019 it got cancelled and re booked in 2020 which never happened because of Pandmic. During two years of Pandemic my daughter got me out walking. I finally got my scan in January this year and the results were worse than 2009, osteoporosis in spine -3.8. The consultant says it's probably the fault of steroids which I'm on for life. I now need the nasty drugs even though I don't want to take them. I'm looking at starting a new drug called Evenity for a year then Risedronate I don't want to be negative, I know you're doing your research and like me you just don't know what to do for best. What ever you decide I really hope going the natural route works for you as I took all the vits and exercised and sadly it didn't work for me, good luck.