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I am pre-diabetic and my GP has given me a NHS patient information sheet entitled 'basic dietary advice for newly diagnosed....'

The advice with regards to daily carb intake is a recommended minimum of 130g.

I thought 130g might be a maximum daily intake if you were on the cusp of type 2 diabetes? Has anyone else been given the same advice?

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AlfredV profile image
AlfredV

That advice you've been given does sound totally about face. If we see T2D for what it actually is, which is a carbohydrate intolerance, the key to improved health is a restricted carbohydrate intake. 130g per day is probably lower than your average person but is still quite high. I'm not diabetic but my typically intake is usually less than 50g per day, often much lower. I've been doing that for over three years and have seen many health improvements.

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I try not to go over 30g carbs daily. Feel great for it. I have just gone over from pre to type 2 but blood glucose well controlled and steady weight loss. It takes more thinking about as it’s easy to have toast for breakfast, sandwich for lunch and potatoes with dinner but I’m not missing carbs now I’ve broken the carb addiction. Worth trying while you’re still pre-diabetic. Take care 🦊x

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Miserere

I was pre-diabetic and followed the PK (paleo/keto) diet. 50g carbs maximum - closer to 20g better. I soon dropped out of the pre-diabetic range. 130g of carbs sounds far too much to me for any form of diabetes.

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Instructor57

I managed to reverse my type 2 Diabetis in around 8 weeks and tried not to have more than 50g of carbs a day ... Having now got my Hba1c back to 36 and in Remission from type 2 I'm now trying to keep it there but without loosing anymore weight.

(I lost 3 stone)

I am currently at around 100g of carbs and maintaining my weight and glucose levels.

To me, 130g minimum sounds high but I guess it depends a lot on where you currently are on the pre diabetic scale and how quickly you want/need to turn it around.

My personal choice would be to go less but I'm no GP.

What I do know though is that if your Hba1c is pre diabetic then the insulin resistance is probably all ready present and the sooner you can reverse that the better .

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Noodlesalad

I was diagnosed per diabetic last year and decided to take the diet route.This year my GP enlisted me with Second Nature program via the NHS, which is free if you're GP requests it.

I'm now in my eight week and I too was very surprised as to how much I have to eat including carbs. I had been eating salmon salad five days a week for about eighteen months which clearly didn't prevent a pre diabetic scenario so it's been really hard for me to adjust.

I'm losing weight but very slowly which is still good.

Ask your GP about being referred to the NHS second nature program. Hope this helps.

👋 Everyone, I was shocked to be told I was pre-diabetic following on from Bypass Surgery September 2022. Having always been slim and dropping to less than 11stone in the months following my op always kept to a healthy diet regularly exercise regime etc. I was in a bit of a quandary as to how I could avoid becoming a type 2 diabetic .At the time I was also struggling with the side effects of all the meds you find yourself on following Bypass surgery one of which was Atorvastatin.

Rightly or wrongly I've always been skeptical re statins and I kicked them into touch.

Low and behold 3 months later I'm no longer pre-diabetic. I certainly would not recommend this course of action before speaking to your GP and only time will tell if I've made the right decision.

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Miserere in reply to

Do you mean that you refused the Atorvastatin?

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Hi 👋 Miserere, I was diagnosed with a severe stenosis of the LAD, no heart attack no hypertension etc. Tennis three times a week etc. Low BMI. Stenosis entirely down to the ageing process (73 yrs). Prior to my Bypass I was put on a daily Aspirin + Simvastatin + Omeprazole etc. Put with the Simvastatin for a couple of months then stopped ✋️.

Following my Bypass I decided to accept the Atorvastatin. Post Bypass 4 mths and I'm back playing tennis. 1st time in my life I experienced a lower calf muscle strain. Sat drinking tea at 2am happened to look at my calf and noticed blood under the surface.

Quick Google and I discovered that one of the side effects of Atorvastatin is muscle damage. I love my tennis 🎾 decided to stop taking a daily statin there and then.

A cardiologist tried to persuade me to try another statin but they all basically do the same thing and that's to prevent the liver from supplying cholesterol when a certain part of body requests it.

However, I'm certain that this course of action will speed up the process of calcification of my Arteries. But, the improved quality of the in my case is worth it.

If however if an individual does not suffer any side effects what's not to like about a daily statin.

Best wishes, Denis

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Miserere in reply to

Wow! It sounds as though you are doing pretty well - good for you and for knowing what suits you best. I'm not keen on statins because the deplete CoQ-10 which the mitochondria need - but I suppose it depends how things go. Good luck and long may you continue to play tennis!!!

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Wish my tennis patterns had the same attitude they can't wait for me to quit!🤣👍

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statins can raise blood sugar. That is known.

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Goldiocks

Hi I too became pre diabetic after taking Atorvastatin 80mg for only 3 months after a HA. GP did not believe it was the statin so I was put on the NHS Living Well Taking Control course. It is free and is around 9 1.5 hour sessions over 9 months or so, covering several subjects. It educates on portion control more than carb reduction, but does say to have some fibre filled carbs and definitely not white sugar filled food. Eat whole foods lots of veggies but not ready made foods. Do more exercise, walking is good and have a good nights sleep as well. I do not measure my carbs I have lost lots of weight during the last 9 months and I feel really good, but I have not have any tests yet, due a blood test in a couple of weeks. I can't stop the statin after a HA in the LAD so I have to try and get the blood sugar down somehow.

I have gone reduced carb intake by reducing bread to only two slices of wholemeal a day and having sweet potatoes instead of white ones, no pasta and having brown rice instead of white, no chips, no crisps, no biscuits. I also have a protein breakfast mainly eggs, fish, meats etc no highly processed cereals and no porridge but I await my test results.

I found some good recipes on the Diabetes UK website plus lots of info. Although I am not diabetic my last test was close to the mark, so I have gone all out to try to reduce my risk.

All the best, x

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If you have to eat bread then the only choice should be sourdough.

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Grassmower

If you are on statins you might want to look into that as they can raise blood sugar.

I had diabetes five years ago and reversed it in a couple of months by going on a crash diet and loosing 11kg. This was after reading up on the work done by professor Roy Taylor at Newcastly University who found type 2 diabetes is usually caused by fat in the pancreas and liver. He developed a programme for people with type 2 that involved putting people on crash diets for 6 weeks. He is not trying to get the NHS to take this on as standard treatment. I suspect the other diets work because people often loose weight on them in the first few months and this clears the excess fat from the pancreas and liver. However this approach only works in the first few years after diagnosis as the pancreas and liver get irreversibly damaged in many people by the excess fat.

Professor Roy Taylor has produced a book called Life Without Diabetes that many libries have and which is available from many bookshops.

Here is a link to the research from.ncl.ac.uk/type-2-diabe...

For diabetis you should look at fasting insulin and fasting glucose, this will tell you how metabolically healthy you are.

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