People may have differing views about government actions taken in the years 2020 and 2021, but statistics are often "adapted" to fit a particular narrative, which led BHF to censor the use of a particular word on the forum, a word that is still banned even today.
An episode of "More Or Less" on Radio 4 this week about the statistics was quite informative. The specific item starts at 6'30":
The sad thing is we should be able to discuss. The powers in charge might learn for the future. My biggest concern is life has not got back to normal. Carnt get an nhs dentist? Why? People especially with heart conditions need to be checked regularly, that's what my cardiologist drums into me. But the truth is that we are still realing from the virus that carnt be named and a certain little skirmish in Easter Europe. Why carnt we all live in piece and spend the money on helping people.
Oh my gosh I am so so sorry this happened to you. I understand sadly it was rather widespread and for me beyond inhumane and frightening. Very glad you are still here to tell the story!
My daughter, granddaughter and son in-Law just got back from two weeks in Spain on Friday and all three of them tested positive for you know what on Saturday. Other daughter has it too, but they haven’t seen each other for weeks. Bet I get it next. Still a lot of it about.
So what, it’s not strong anymore. More people were killed by the mrna injection then the covid itself. The media and pharma hide that though. Tens of minions would have been saved by eating early with the flccc protocol.
Beautifully written post, thank you. I shall save it for future use in the unfortunate event that my autumn “you know what” triggers worse AF whilst in process of saving a few billion vulnerable lives - including daughter with MS who probably only survived the “lost years” due to diligence of her care staff!
Rather unconvincing programme which has been taken apart by other stats experts. They are a bit like economists who interpret the same figures and come up with different answers.
I actually find BHF to be one of the better forums for discussions, you should try the Diabetes Forum they are overly strict and lack any fair comments or debates, just my experience of course.
Always try to listen to More or Less. Excellent program. We all know that stats can be manipulated and many people are numerically challenged. I find that if people speak with seeming authority they tend to be believed.
it is a shame that sometimes debate has to be curtailed. But those on the far right and hard left, though very small minorities, shout very loudly and are frequently prepared to resort to violence to force their views on the majority who just want to get on with life.
I have some very good friends with whom I’m struggling to remain friends. One in particular is intelligent, educated and professionally qualified. However, he’s an Evangelical who believes the most outrageous conspiracy theories, some of which are deeply anti-Semitic. He’s totally taken in and won’t change his mind even when I try to explain that extremism undermines our democracy.
We also had a large number of hostile bots posting in this forum, which created a great deal of heat.
It’s true of every forum and social media platform. This one is no different. There was a concentrated anti-v** and “c**** denial” propaganda effort back then, with far too many people voicing an ill-informed opinion as well as the bots and trolls
Unfortunately when, the you know what crisis happened, something had to be done, hind sight is a wonderful thing. We where in grip of something globally that human kind had not faced for many years. I do have my own views but sadly these carnt be discussed. However the people in charge had to do something. Right or wrong, but many of us now have to live with the consequences.
Hi, I’ve been told by gp their hands are tied about the unmentionable inj. Said HF doesn’t come under compromised and I’m 64 another year older and I think I could have had 4th one!? I think we should be up there with RA and cancer etc. as ours affects our lungs, kidneys, liver etc It’s so frustrating and I’m scared to catch it incase it makes me worse or even finishes me off I also have asthma and he said that isn’t included in the government instructions either. ?
They don't care. They put so much emphasis on cancer, and yes it is horrible and my family have had their fair share of cancer but the heart needs alot more investment. I agree if the heart does not function then it effects every part of the body. Unfortunately I have congenital heart disease but no one realises how many people are born with a heart issue, yes medication has moved on and many people now survive into adult hood. But think about it, your heart is your engine. No engine? You take the engine out of your car it isn't going to go far. We carnt get a dentist so I carnt get my teeth cleaned and inspected for say 60 pounds every six month, no they would prefer you to suffer and then have open heart surgery at say 150000 pounds, because your tooth infection has effected your heart . Endocarditis., the whole country is a mess.
All this stuff is so tedious. Most people want info on heart issues, not this. If you don't like the admin rules, set up your own forum. More or Less is interpreting statistics like lots of other institutions and is not infallible. I have tried the programme and find it tedious; I would much rather read what respected mainstream scientists have to say.
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