I have posted this link elsewhere but more than one person has suggested I make it a main post rather than a reply. With lockdown ending in a couple of days it is probably timely to do so. An American doctor made this video of what it is like to die of CovID and the BBC put it up a few hours ago:
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Dying from CovID
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Quite a hard hitting video from someone at the sharp end of this pandemic. Definitely something that should make people stop and think. Despite the requests of - Stay at Home for Thanksgiving, millions didn't. Dr Anthony Fauci the US disease expert has warmed yesterday there could be a surge of cases in the next 14 days as a result. If this sadly proves to be the case, it might better inform us of the consequences of mixing over Christmas
As someone recently bereaved I find this post insensitive.
• in reply tobantam12
I also think it's inappropriate on a site where most are well aware of the need to follow the guidelines.
I'm sorry for your loss bantam12, take care.
I am so sorry for your loss. We have lost a relative and two friends to this disease. It must be upsetting for you, but it is important to get the message out. A friend is the mother of an ICU nurse, who has the most horrendous stories, even of those who survive.
Hell this video makes you think, so profound.
A thought provoking film but I also have sympathy for the bereaved such as bantam12 plus those on this forum who are trying their best to follow the guidelines but are absolutely terrified of catching covid19.
Thank you. Quite thought provoking and does serve to remind us to adhere to the rules. Even though part of the majority I don't think we should ever forget how vulnerable we are and I kind of like to be reminded periodically. Thanks Michael.
I too have lost loved ones to covid but feel it is important to get the message across to those who have become complacent.
Sadly many people seem to have been drifting away from their previous alertness to covid precautions.
Some need shocking news items to remind them to take greater care.
Ellie
This is so true, I have just lost a close relative this weekend and the most heartbreaking of it all was knowing he was alone and frightened. Thanks for posting because unfortunately we are not out of danger yet😢
I have chosen not to watch. Colin
Myself as well but I asked my husband (somewhat sceptical about the severity of the virus) to watch it. He came out of the study quite shaken at what he'd seen and when he went out this afternoon he was wearing a real mask, not just his scarf pulled up over his mouth and nose.
I believe nothing that comes from the BBC as they will not debate on any other view point other than Government narrative, which seems to be mostly propaganda. We are adults and well aware of our conditions, and nobody knows our bodies better than ourselves.
The BBC doesn't claim to be perfect. There is no debate to be had and sadly people need reminding how fragile life is. This is not about party politics or propaganda!
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So let us just get your reply straight then, you say you don't believe people are dying in such terrible circumstances? Other than it being factually incorrect I don't really understand the point of your comment to be honest could you enlighten us?
bee2• in reply to
I believe there is a virus and that people have died, whether from the actual virus or with the virus is debatable. I do not believe anything on. MSM until they allow a healthy debate. The doctors and scientists who have signed the Barrington Declaration are more informed than our gov and the BBC.
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Very interesting - advocating a "risk based" approach, sounds a bit Donald to me. I wonder if all the warriors on the front line would accept that kind of approach, have you watched any of the programs on TV showing the stress they are all under? Oh no I forgot you don't watch them............I find you statement regarding it being "debatable" if people have died from the virus to be staggering to be honest. I shall presume you are not actually being serious and one of the sorts that enjoy trying to wind people up, other wise I have to wonder what planet you are on my friend.
I would recommend watching the Hospital series on BBC 2 at the moment about how the Royal Free Hospital in London is managing the Covid pandemic.
This is my local hospital
It is not propaganda.
bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08w8k...
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It's all made you know, that program - it's just actors, apparently.
Unbelievable.
Funny that I have met some of the staff when I have been in hospital or attended meetings.....
Hey but I am not ' real' either 😂
So was "Surgeons - At The Edge Of Life" acting as well?
healthunlocked.com/bhf/post...
It was made to look better and more efficient than it actually is, in real life it's a different story !
• in reply toMichaelJH
Don't know was it on the BBC? If so it must be just propaganda.
Alison_L• in reply to
I'm an actor. No one's asked me to be on those programmes, and I've had covid and have heart failure... or am I just acting?
I think the government is well aware of the views of those who signed the Great Barrington declaration. It's just that the government has taken a policy decision not to let the NHS get overwhelmed. It's for the government to take that decision and they are accountable to the electorate for it. The Great Barrington Declaration are scientists who are trying to meddle in policy decisions. Who are they accountable to?
Very stark. I wonder what those advocating the 5 day free for all over Christmas would make of it?
Sunnie2day• in reply to
I'm going to keep to my strict avoidance, hands-face-space regime and will be watching to see if there is a sharp uptick post Christmas. I can't help thinking there will be a huge increase in cases.
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Well, I was having a brisk walk in the local park yesterday and couldn't help overhearing two young mothers chatting, one saying "Well at least we have this 5 day back to normal window don't we so that's great isn't it?" to her friend. Worrying - I think you might be right.
Terrifying really! Do they think the virus is taking a few days off? ☹️
This is hard hitting and should be more widely shown. It’s disturbing as everyone want their last hours to be peaceful and discomfort free, not alone and struggling for breath. Keep the precautions going and keep yourselves safe as it could be any of us that passes it on to someone more at risk of serious infection.
I also lost a relative to covid. Although I have chosen not to watch it, I really don't see the point of posting videos like this on the forum, where most people seem to be sensible. Unfortunately there are far too many people out there who do not seem to care about the pandemic and will continue to flaunt all the rules regardless of evidence and statistics.
I thought that it looked real. I think a reality check is what is needed. My tesco man is still not wearing a mask or gloves. Why not. Why take one bit of advice, social distancing, and not the other two? It doesn't make sense! Its like been given a cocktail of drugs that interact to cure an illness but just taking one, anyone, and discarding the rest. I feel both angry and ashamed. I thought people in this country had the intelligence and understanding to make sensible choices. They act like its a life style choice. Take the word style out! Its life!!!
Has anyone noted how everyone keeps blaming COVID-19 on other people? Like we weren't condoning this to happen for the past 10 years?
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Interesting comment could you expand? I presume you mean the ecological reasons for the virus?
venusofthenorth• in reply to
I live in Sweden. Our health care system is terrific except for the terrible living wages of people working in health care. Apart from the systematic exploitation of our planet we've created a pay-to-win job market, made no effort to integrate emergency policies and we've neglected any and all measurements that could have lessened the impact had we sooner assumed people to be susceptible to new diseases that aren't going to stay exclusive of the species getting, adapting and mutating illnesses in our stead. Meanwhile, literally everyone I've seen everywhere have this rhetoric of "don't be selfish*, *it affects us all*, "we're in this together", "people are dying" but never do they ever include themselves to this. I've seen people go "kids should be more responsible" while firmly parking their asses at a packed fast food joint in the middle of summer. I've seen senior citizens on the telly explicitly saying "we've been isolated for so long younger people are going to have to do it for us now". Not to mention the toilet paper and macaroni hoarding and the blatant robbery of our pharmacies. All the problems above were problems we were fully aware of long before COVID-19, COVID-19 has simply made it abundantly clear our social security systems, our communities and our governments are absolute shit at their jobs and it's entirely by fault of our own.
Oh dear. Keep taking your meds 🤦♂️
MilkfairyHeart Star
haha...how did you know I can walk on water 😇
Is that a tongue in cheek emoji your using btw?
MilkfairyHeart Star
Ah raspberry blowing emoji is on my wish list too
You mate are an idiot, this should have been posted with a warning.
Why would you think this was an appropriate thing to post on here?
I will not respond to an insult with an insult but point out that my initial post said "An American doctor made this video of what it is like to die of CovID and the BBC put it up a few hours ago:" which should indicate that the clip is not light entertainment.
Why did I put it up? Because far to many are contacting CovID and dying (603 on 30th November) of it. I personally know only one person who has died but many who have been seriously ill. The majority on this site probably follow the rules but some don't so I feel it worth reinforcing the message. Some will also pass the link on. If this saves one life it was worth posting!
Yes, that's true but even if we all complied to the absolute letter of the guidance there would still be many, with or without health conditions,who would be terrified.Health anxiety is a crippling thing and talk of covid certainly fuels that fire.
I'm always positive it might. After all, we made this mess. I'm confident we'll clean it up as soon as we finish our video games ^^
MichaelJHHeart Star
Thank you. . My great nephew's school (primary) is shut because of cases of CovID amongst both pupils and staff despite strict enforcement of measures. One school where niece works part-time has Years 9 and 10 isolating. There is a case where I am currently in a DTA bed. The list is endless. Near me the twice weekly market was shut down for lock down but a farmer's market was allowed as it sells food. Photos from this showed many not distancing or wearing masks - what don't these people understand? Sadly this means the message has to be rammed home regularly!
OK, that really did make me laugh out loud, made my husband lol as well!
I know three people that have died and five who have been gravely ill due to this virus, this video does not belong on here it does nothing other than frighten people even more than they already are. People on here don't need to be taught how dangerous this virus is for heart patients..We all got the memo already!!
Virus has been knocking around for best part of a year. In all this time, I only personally know 1 person who has got it. They got it last week, were asymptomatic and have recovered. Nobody else in their family caught it from them.
I am fairly sure that there is a lot of political opportunistic gerrymandering going on everywhere. What really shocks me is the number of people who refuse to question or debate the "official narrative" .... remember, the people making the decisions aren't doctors, they are career politicials with motives and only have their own best interests at heart.
People should be free to make their own choices and the needs and wants of the majority should take precedence - and it seems that the majority is no longer in favor of lockdowns and vaccinations. It should the the vunerable that isolate and lockdown, not something enforced on the many to protect the few.
As I said that is your decision and I will defend your right to choose. I have read as much as I can taken advice from a range of people looking at my heart valve and my husband’s stroke I have made my decision.
MilkfairyHeart Star
Can you please help me understand your point of view?
Are you saying that the latest BBC 2 Hospital series showing the way in which the Royal Free Hospital has managed the influx of patients with Covid 19 is untrue?
The hospital nearly ran out of oxygen. At Barnet hospital they have built an extra ward in the carpark to accommodate the extra demand of Covid patients.
The Royal Free is my hospital. I saw my Cardiolgist at the end of October. He told me about the pressures the hospital was facing.
It must be gawling to the all the NHS staff involved who in some cases have given their lives to read again and again of people denying that Covid is a serious issue.
Many patients with cancer or needing surgery or long term conditions are not getting the care they need.
More people are dying from heart attacks or arriving so late at hospital that they have been found to be in heart failure because they didn't receive the usual care in time.
It is absolutely your choice and privilege whether you choose to be vaccinated.
However I hope you are able to make an evidence based decision based on factual information and takes into account the realities of what is happening in many hospitals in the country because of Covid 19.
The state has form for lying - look at the travesty around Thalidomide. I'll wait thanks and sit the first round of vaccinations out - you can have mine?
Oh, I'm not denying covid. I am questioning the severity as a percentage of population and saying the restrictions are disproportionate. No prohibition in history has ever worked or delivered the intended results. Politicians are clever people, they know this so why persist?
You haven't addressed my question about how the NHS being overwhelmed is affecting the care of other patient also the wellbeing of NHS staff.
According to your reasoning are you suggesting that individuals living with or adversely affected by rare conditions should not receive treatment or funding given to research into these conditions?
Your language meets your intellect. No place on here for such profanity
Politically motivated social engineering?? Must be nice living in your world of LaLaLand!!!
The system wanted to move to a cash less society before and everyone objected. Covid comes alond and boom, the same people are now pushing for card only as they claim it is safer. There is no proven link between money and covid. Money is filthy anyway but germs have never been a problem before? Why now eh? As somebody once said - never let a crisis go to waste. This is a prime example of social engineering. However it is amazingly tolerant of you to accuse me of living in Lalaland becuase I hold a different opinion to you. People never fail to disappoint.
Certainly not because of your opinion; but because of your apparent misinformation! And money has always been dirty. Have you never been careful when handling money in certain countries?? I know I have. The difference now is that we are dealing with a very contagious pathogen!!!
MichaelJHHeart Star
The 99%+ recovery rate needs breaking down as other variables have to be considered. In under 10s the recovery rate is over 99.9% whereas in over 80s it is only around 90%. In fact the risk of death appears to start increasing significantly from around the age of 50. Underlying conditions are also a factor and many start increasing from that age. Many recover but often have issues lasting for weeks and months. A friend's son and his wife both had it quite badly and were only partially back to normal after six weeks, and finally getting there after three months. Wearing one of my other hats a CovID infection in under 10s significantly increases the risk of Type I diabetes.
I would be interested to see a more detailed and accurate breakdown of the collated data but that may be years away. In the meantime everybody needs to take care!
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