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Apple cider vinegar and afib / Non sustained SVT

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Hi everyone, and happy new year! I have non sustained SVT and paroxysmal Afib. I take 1.25 bisoprolol and ezetimibie 10mg daily.Can I take Apple Cider Vinegar gummies safely?

Trying a very low carb diet with full fats to try to drop a few pounds and have read it has benefits for cholesterol

Any advice welcome!!

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ForensicFairy

Hi, I always check with my pharmacist or doctor before taking any supplements or new drugs.

I’ve not heard of SVT (supraventricular tachycardia) being described as sustained or not sustained before. The arrhythmia which is usually described in this way is ventricular tachycardia and the acronym is written as NSVT.

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Bagrat in reply toForensicFairy

Or why acronyms can cause issues, VT is a whole new ball game.

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ForensicFairy in reply toBagrat

Absolutely! I’ve seen lots of confusion on this forum and elsewhere before, about tachycardias.

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Janeybur in reply toForensicFairy

Hi, non sustained supraventricular tachycardia is the term my EP used as there were short burst in the upper chamber of very raised beats. No afib spotted at that time ( 14 day zio patch) He wasn't too concerned and the b blockers are controlling this unless i am very stressed. Just looking for nutritional improvements to help overall health....

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ForensicFairy in reply toJaneybur

Thanks for clarifying that point. I hope you manage or get some advice on the apple cider gummies.

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Blearyeyed

Although apple cider vinegar appears not to interact with these medications it can lower potassium and interact with diuretics, some hypertensive medications and can affect diabetic medication.To be honest most of the studies that show a " possibility" of ACV having a beneficial effect on blood sugar and LDL cholesterol involved far more ACV per day than you get in a gummy. The studies themselves were only early findings and even the researchers involved noted that far more extensive study on much larger groups is still needed before there is strong proof of the effectiveness of ACV.

The gummies therefore , like many of the super food sweets and keto treats are a bit of an expensive gimmick, really. I'm sure it's made the makers of ACV a pretty penny over the years.

Much like any food that gets a promotion to being a "super food" Apple Cider Vinegar with the Mother which used to cost very little when I used it years ago costs a small fortune now.

Although , you could try actual ACV as part of a healthy diet by adding it to salads or a splash in soups or stews. Many of the small studies involved people having 15ml of ACV three times a day at the beginning of a meal, it was probably the taste of vinegar and the slightly unsettled stomach that made them feel like eating less rather than the vinegar being an appetite suppressor for other reasons.

Personally, I would steer clear of the LC/ HF diet if you have a cholesterol or cardiac issue that requires medication . A nutrient rich Mediterranean style diet is recommended with small portions of complex carbs , but not extremes. Portion control based on your activity each day so that you take in less calories than you use in energy and slowly lose the weight then staying on a similar "Diet for Life" (with the occasional small treat) to maintain your weight is still the most sustainable and successful way to keep the weight off that you lose and stay healthy.

I know I sound like a gloom monger , don't I, whatever you decide I hope things go well for you. Bee

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Janeybur in reply toBlearyeyed

Thank you Bee. Good advice. There are so many conflicting views out there the real life experience and advice given here is invaluable

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CDreamer in reply toBlearyeyed

Interestingly my cholesterol numbers have reduced (7.2-6.1) in the last 12 months. since reducing carbs, increasing fats - especially olive oil, +more protein. I have used plant sterols occasionally which helped, but not to that extent! I refuse statins. Feel fuller, eat less and much less hunger pangs between meals.

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Tiburon in reply toCDreamer

I suggest reading “Lies I Taught in Medical School.” The author makes a well-researched and compelling case for cutting out sugar and simple carbs entirely for adults.

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Bagrat in reply toCDreamer

I steadfastly refused statins for years with cholesterol 7. 5. After my recent stroke, the subject came up again from another GP in the practice and I have agreed to a lowish dose of rosuvastatin as I managed a stroke whilst taking apixaban religiously. I realise this decision is probably borne of fear, but so far have felt fine on it and there is research now that there is value in statins in women over 80 with cardiovascular disease.When in hosp. my total cholesterol was 6.2 so plant sterols and mostly sensible diet must have helped.

I had to apologise to my own GP this morning that I had capitulated to another GP after all her efforts in the past!!

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CDreamer in reply toBagrat

I’m refusing because of my Mg.

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Bagrat in reply toCDreamer

I do take magnesium taurate and although drugs dot com says efficacy of rosuvastatin may be reduced if gaviscon taken too close to it because of mg carbonate, when I put in Mg Taurate and rosuvastatin no interactions. Does statin reduce absorption of mg CDreamer ?

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CDreamer in reply toBagrat

I was talking about Myasthenia (muscle weakness Neuro muscular condition which I’ve had for 10+ years) not Magnesium. Statins are know to cause and exacerbate Myasthenia & Myasthenics cannot take Magnesium.

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Bagrat in reply toCDreamer

Oh heck sorry, completely got wrong end of the stick. Thanks for explaining

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Blearyeyed in reply toCDreamer

Sounds like you are using healthy fats and I assume even though you've reduced carbs , you haven't done it too drastically and you still eat carb foods with fibre , vegetables and some fruit. Basically a healthy diet.

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pigeonCl-HU in reply toBlearyeyed

Ditto! I agree with everything you say, and I don't think it is a doom-and-gloom message; to lose weight we have to spend more calories than we take in, i.e. be in caloric deficit.

Shortcuts are forever tempting, but end up being nothing but wishful thinking. The Mediterranean style diet is more of a way of living, than a diet as such; it is lovely and colorful, rich in nutrients, and above all: it is very tasty!

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CDreamer

My godmother used to drink this concoction every day in the 60’s/70’s - she was a nurse and believed it helped her immunity - in a mug

1tblespoon ACV

1teaspoon honey

Squeeze of lemon

Fill mug with hot water

Never remember her ever having colds/flu etc.

I tried, can’t say I ever took to the taste but recently found a local herbalist who forages and produces a concoction called Raw, elderberry vinegar (sugar free). Again tastes not that palatable but does seem to help me, could be just placebo but nothing wrong with positive thinking!

I do use ACV with mother in salad dressings.

Gummies - na, sugar and hype.

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Kbkk

Hi Janeybur, I have always been keen on following a very low carb eating plan when I want to drop a little weight. Even though my diet included good protein and lots of vegetables I would go into AF everytime I did it. I have PAF and out of the 15 episodes I’ve had over the past four years I think 12 of them have been when I was following a very low carb diet. You may be absolutely fine but very low carb has always been a trigger for me. Now I’m on daily Flecanide it might be a different story….I wish I could but i’m too worried to try it again! Are you going really low carb? Good luck with yours 😊

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Janeybur in reply toKbkk

Thank you for sharing your experience. Still researching and thinking that the removal of simple carbs with limited complex may be the right route. Keeping fats low would also be ideal. Finding it tricky to achieve weight loss as I am 58 and have just come through menopause, and beta blockers aren't helping.But no AF at present so counting my blessings x

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Kbkk in reply toJaneybur

I’m in the same situation. 58, post menopausal, just off beta blockers (stone on in 6 months) mainly due to lack of exercise (too scared to!) and feeling exhausted. Unfortunately keeping low carb and eating very well makes me feel so much better….just a shame my heart doesn’t like it! Don’t seem to manage weight loss otherwise. Starting ‘Bodyslims ‘ in a few weeks time (recommended by a member who heard through a cardiologist etc) so hoping I’ll see some results! 🤞🏼Hope all goes well for you…..

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