A Fib

[Ddserj]

I had an ablation done on 12/23, now I have no palpitations, my Dr. says I can go off the Eliquis is there something natural I can take to thin my blood?

[BobD Volunteer]

There are no quantifable natural anticoagulants so taking such is a very risky thing to do.

[mav7]

Per your bio you are 78, so it seems your doctor has determined the risk of bleeding from anticoagulants outweighs the need since you do not have afib.

Best to discuss with your doctor.

You do not mention your afib history, but may consider purchasing an Apple Watch or Kardia to monitor your condition. And ask the doctor if you should take an EKG at least annually, if not sooner.

[Ddserj in reply to mav7]

I was diagnosed with AFib in 2021, I had an ablation done on 12/23 since then no palpitations, so my Dr has said I could go off the Eliquis, and he said to take low dose Aspirin. But I was wondering if there was something else that would be safer.

[ozziebob in reply to Ddserj]

Some Forum members mention their use of nattokinase as a natural anticoagulant. You will need to do your own research about nattokinase and it's history and uses and availability in food and supplements. You could also do a Search🔍of previous HU Posts (at the top of any HU page) using "nattokinase" as the search term. I did this just now and found some interesting comments on nattokinase by @pca2004 in his Post below about low-dose aspirin (which you also mentioned), and which includes a link at the end to a JAMA research article on low-dose aspirin ...

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Other foods also have anticoagulation properties, and a simple online search will return various lists.

Good luck.

[mav7]

As mentioned, best to discuss with your doctor. If worried, depending on the trust/relationship you have in your doctor, consider a second opinion.

It is great you are not having issues after the ablation. But do consider monitoring with an Apple Watch or Kardia

[JOY2THEWORLD49]

Hi

If you have AF you remain on it.

cherio JOY. 75. (NZ)

[Ppiman]

I would never risk such a thing. I am surprised you have been told that you don't need an AC. Over here in the UK, so far as I know, once a certain age, even one episode of AF means Acs for life. However, I see from another post there are specific reasons in your case - we are all slightly different.

Steve

[RoyMacDonald]

If you have a diagnosis of AF you need to be on anti clotting medication and especially given your age. The fact you live in the USA will not protect you ablation or not. Aspirin is a big NO NO if you have been diagnosed with AF according to my GP. But it's your choice.

All the best.

Roy

[marinoperna in reply to RoyMacDonald]

I was told no aspirin as well! Still on Eliquis

[Sixtychick]

I had an ablation done last September and have been told I will be on Anti- coagulants for life.

[DawnTX]

unless you have had problems with bleeding internally, I would never go off my anticoagulant I will. I’m sorry I really disagree with your doctor. I don’t want to burst your bubble, but because you’re ablation is working now does not mean you will not have another point cause palpitations in the future. It’s very common. You have to talk to your doctor. I have a pacemaker. My number is. Everything are great. My heart failure ejection rate has gone from 40 to 70 but I am still told I will be on my anticoagulants the rest of my life. We are all different. I’d get a second opinion , is that your primary or EP

[HGates]

Low dose aspirin is entirely ineffective at preventing strokes from Afib so unless you have risks from atherosclerosis that seems a pointless recommendation. 325 mg daily somewhat effective (see original SPAF trial for that dose v warfarin). Amazes me that doctors ever went with the ‘baby aspirin’ recommendation based on no trial data whatsoever. Just an effort to reduce bleeding risk I guess & to have low risk people taking ‘something’. Interesting that when they trialled Apixaban against aspirin before the trial against warfarin they had most people on 75/80 mg aspirin. Criminal. Sorry to be blunt but at aged 78, palpitations or not, I’d opt to take warfarin (or if INR difficult to stabilise, one of the lesser anti-coagulants). However, I’m not you or your doctor so l’ll shut up.

[Ddserj in reply to HGates]

Thank You for your bluntness, that’s exactly what I want to hear the truth.

I am not having any problems with Eliquis that I know of but wanted get off because I wanted to take Vit. K2 for my bones

[mav7 in reply to Ddserj]

HGates is correct. Recent studies have shown the recommendation for low dose aspirin is questionable. May want to google for more info.

[HGates]

If you are on Eliquis you should have no problem taking K2 as a supplement at the same time. Warfarin is the anticoagulant that vitamin K affects as it essentially acts as an antidote. Eliquis works in a different way entirely unaffected by how much vitamin K you consume.

[Ddserj in reply to HGates]

Thank You for answering so quickly, I also have osteoporosis and been reading about Vit. K2. And don’t want to take osteoporosis drugs. Don’t like drugs as you can probably see.

[HGates]

Absolutely agree. The fewer the drugs the better!

[frazeej]

If you’re concerned about going off Eliquis, then stay on it! Certainly better and safer than the various “home brews” that may be suggested!

JimF

[Fblue]

that’s wonderful. Some people are able to get off thinners after an ablation. Look up Dr. Philip Lee Miller‘s protocol for natural blood thinners since you don’t have to be on blood thinner anymore after the ablation. I have a friend who had an ablation and have to be monitored for a few months was also allowed to go off blood thinners. It depends on your personal history and your doctors assessment of your risk/benefit situation. All the best.!

[Ddserj]

Thank You

[mav7 in reply to Ddserj]

Ddserj Sry, forgot to ask.

I am your age and considering an ablation. May I ask if you will share if your afib was paroxysmal or permanent ?

[Ddserj in reply to mav7]

Mine was paroxysmal

[mav7 in reply to Ddserj]

Thank You ! You were wise to be aggressive in early intervention. Best in the future.