"Long Covid" FYI

Listen from 20mins if you want to skip the beginning, its very technical.

And apparently the video link is not working so go to Youtube and type in

Professor Clancy, long covid and immunity

A great interview with prof. Robert Clancy. He is a retired Australian clinical immunologist in the field of mucosal immunology. He is known for his research and development of therapies for chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), commonly known as emphysema. Clancy developed the vaccine Broncostat at the University of Newcastle in 1985. He is a consultant physician and pioneering immunologist, emeritus professor of pathology, doctor of medicine, doctor of philosophy and doctor of science, author, teacher and broadcaster. He is a fellow of the Royal Australasian College of Physicians (FRACP) and the Royal College of Pathologists of Australia (FRCPA). He was admitted as a Member of the Order of Australia (AM, Order of Australia) in 2005 for service to cartography as a collector of early maps of Australia and to the field of immunology. Clancy: 'A study as recently as 2 days ago showed that in a third of the persons whith Long-Covid they still find mRNA-molecules coding for the spike protein - and the spike protein itself - in the blood up to 12 months after they got Long-Covid, but not in persons who don't have Long-Covid.'

youtube.com/watch?v=SjXJUwb...(Not working as expected?)

[sassy59]

No link Tony. My husband Pete is still testing positive for covid on day 8, I’m now negative. He has COPD (chronic bronchitis not emphysema) and has taken antiviral meds for 5 days. Seems to be doing a bit better.

[Hidden in reply to sassy59]

Strange, go to Youtube and type in

Professor Clancy, long covid and immunity

[sassy59 in reply to Hidden]

Thank you Tony, found it. Very interesting. X

[mjames1]

Thanks for the video. But it should be pointed out that Professor Clancy was a strong proponent of hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid. Point being his views are out of the established medical mainstream.

Jim

[Hidden in reply to mjames1]

Hi Jim, let's face it, one thing we have or should have learned over the past 3 years is to never stop questioning and challenging mainstream science.

[mjames1 in reply to Hidden]

No disagreement. But at different junctures we have to make decisions with the information at hand. I choose the vaccine over hydroxychloroquine. I would also take Paxlovid if it wasn't contraindicated by my afib drugs. The vast majority of medical minds support my choices. Hopefully they are right. But yes, we should never stop questioning and unfortunately not enough money allocated to that. I still have some symptoms of long Covid after eight months. Could the vaccines have contributed? Maybe? Would I have ended up in the hospital if I had not taken the vaccines? Maybe? There's still a lot we need to know with Covid.

Jim

[waveylines in reply to mjames1]

Sorry to hear you still have symptoms after 8months Jim. That must be miserable. After 2 vaccine jabs I had Covid, took me 3 months to recover properly, fatigue and weakness bring a big thing for a while. 5 months later had 3rd jab, have been fine. Has it protected me? Probably as I visit multiple educational settings which am sure gives me a much higher chance of catching it. I think the virus itself is a complex beast and there is much they are still finding out about it. I'm not saying the vaccines are perfect, far from it and for some people they have caused terrible consequences......its why vaccines usually have a long research period before being introduced to whole populations. However without the vaccine the death rate would've been much much higher still. One has only to look at countries like Afirica, who didn't get the vaccine.

The truth is the vaccine is a lottery....and the risks were not explained properl not enough was known, not helped by pharmaceutical companies hiding their negative results.....and the consequences are slowly revealing themselves, despite much effort to hush them up.

Really hope your symptoms abate soon Jim.

[MikeThePike in reply to waveylines]

I'm in total agreement with you. I like your balanced thinking. Truth is when it comes to vaccines and a situation like COVID 19 its a case of 'potentially damned if you do and potentially damned if you don't'. Those of us who took the vaccine without side effects should consider ourselves among the lucky ones. I read a case report in an American cardiology journal about a man who developed POTS after taking the first does of a COVID vaccine. My heart sank after reading that. I felt really sorry for him because now he has to wear compression socks and take beta blockers for the rest of his life. There is no cure for POTS. After reading that case report I counted my blessings and resolved not to take another vaccine again.

[waveylines in reply to MikeThePike]

As you say it's all a balance. However I had far more info when I was deciding whether to accept cancer treatments then covid vaccines. And awas made fully aware of long term implications, unlike covid vaccines! I was shockingly ignorant of the consequences. All new meds have a downside..... trouble is often they don't reveal themselves until much further down the line. I don't think big pharmacy should be allowed to hold back negative research data!

[Hidden in reply to waveylines]

Hi, Africa which is the least vaccinated continent had the lowest death from Covid.

nytimes.com/2022/03/23/heal...

[waveylines in reply to Hidden]

Sorry Tony I can't access this as I don't have a subscription for NYT. Lol....

But found this:-

news.sky.com/story/covid-19...

Interesting. Sorry I got that completely wrong.

[waveylines in reply to Hidden]

Tony Further to myreply below I found this on WHOafro.who.int/news/covid-19-...

[Auriculaire in reply to mjames1]

The medical mainstream has been corrupted by Pharma money for a long time. Former editors of the NEJM and the BMJ - the most prestigious medical journals on the planet have said as much. When the Mehra et al paper on HCL was published in the Lancet there were several clinical trials of HCL ongoing here in France that were producing positive results. They were stopped by the health minister. All the ongoing trials worldwide were stopped on the advice of the WHO.. When the data in the Mehra paper were shown to be completely spurious (ie invented by the company Surgisphere whose CEO was one of Mehra's co authors) and the paper was retracted ,the trials were not reinstated. This was very convenient for Gilead the manufacturers of the much more expensive ( but actually ineffective and nephrotoxic) Remdesivir and it just so happens that Mehra was employed at a hospital that was trialling Remdesivir. Later on the WHO said that Remdesivir was actually ineffective and did not recommend it's use. After the EU had put in a billion dollar order for it . American hospitals continued to use it. Most of the clinical trials that rubbished HCL were done using toxic doses - not the doses the advocates advised - ie those that had been used long term for RA and Lupus patients. No wonder patients died ( were murdered). The reason HCL was trialled in the first pkace was because it had been shown to be useful with the first SARS- even Fauci endorsed it back then.

The Covid pandemic has been disastrous for science with attempted suppression of any dissent from the pharma / government established narratives being demonised and people like Prof Clancy and Prof Raoult here in France, who had impeccable credentials in the field of infectious diseases pre pandemic treated as if they were witchdoctors. It is the same story with Ivermectin. A drug taken regularly by millions of PEOPLE whose discoverer received a Nobel Prize, smeared by the mainstream media as nothing but a horse dewormer! There have been several Ivermectin trials since then that have shown it works both as a prophylactic and in early treatment but you won't be reading about them. There has also been an RCT in France using oral Ivermectin by a company that is looking to develop an injectable form for covid treatment. This trial showed unequivocal success but has only been reported in the French financial press - as far as I can see. No surprise there . But the much more expensive Paxlovid that was not even trialled in vaccinated people who comprise most of the population is promoted right left and centre.

[Tomred in reply to Auriculaire]

well said, my simple analogy, if my mechanic said he would not stand over his work, he would not be working on my car.

[Tomred in reply to Hidden]

Agree , tony , its funny how alternatives are put down whilst mainstream isnt , even after all, the vaccinated are catching covid, maybe its long overdue to use alternatives.

[secondtry]

I would add covid19criticalcare.com/tre...

[beach_bum]

My first stop was not Dr. Google, or any online “advice” shopping. I went straight to my MD for advice. It was simple “since you have Afib and have had pneumonia twice, I recommend the vaccine.” And since I don’t hold a degree in medicine, I thought this prudent. I had no reaction to any of the four jabs.

I believe in research, but sadly too much “research” is tainted by the internet and personal opinion. I am a huge fan of critical thinking and deductive reasoning.

My main goal is to stay on this side of the grass for as long as possible, so I tend to look for my medical advice from my so far, very reliable Dr.