4th covid today flu last week one off pneumonia in a couple of weeks at my annual review at gp.
I shave my head due to baldness but I'm worried 'cos when I get up in the morning and look in the mirror,not a pretty sight by the way,I can see what looks like spike protein sprouting.
Seriously,does anyone else think that years from now science will tell us we've got slightly addicted to jabs.
Anyone know what kinda profits the vaccine producers are making.?
There's a bit of a to do re covid jabs at the moment, as Pfizer have just admitted that when everyone was getting jabbed to stop others catching covid from them, their vaccine offered no protection against other people getting it whatsoever. Do you remember, we had to be jabbed before we went on holiday.
I'm surprised no one else has brought this subject up.
For your info I had the covid, pneumonia and Flu jab last year and caught all 3 this year. I really don't know what to think!
Jean
I have concerns about having my covid booster and flu jab this time. I had all the previous ones. I’ve just had an Ablation and feeling a little out of sorts so the thought of the injections with possible side effects a bit off putting. So all on hold at present.
Ihave come across a few 'olders' who are not having the Covid Vacc. this time round. But it is sounding as if flu may take over from Covid this winter.
yes lots of flu about. Im trying my best to give people a wide berth, I’m still wearing a mask and sanitising anything that moves!
I’m an oldie and my husband is a lot older. I arranged for us to have the flu jab and intended to have the covid last week but due to various distractions I didn’t. I wasn’t too worried because we have twice had people in the house who later turned out to have Covid, once for a week, and didn’t catch it. Well, I’ve got covid, feel terrible and feel worse because my husband has cancer and dementia and I can’t really avoid giving it to him 😭 I have no idea where I caught it as I hardly go out…..
Please don't beat yourself up over not getting round to it. If you had had the jab last week you might still have caught it anyway . The emotional upset of feeling guilty will just make you feel physically worse and delay your recovery. All you can do is your best to look after yourself and your husband and it is not inevitable that your husband will catch it. I believe my husbznd had covid before there was testing. He was ill for 2+ weeks ,coughing horribly and complaining he could not taste or smell his food properly. Despite being together 24/7 -a lot of the time in the same bed! - I never caught it. This February he came down with a bug which we thought might be Omicron though the first covid test was negative and he couldn't be bothered doing any more. Again I did not catch anything. Hope you start to recover soon.
Thank you so much for your kindness, it does make me feel better! I’m beginning to feel slightly better but still terribly weak. My husband has a very good immune system, hardly ever catches anything but I have always suspected he brings bugs home without having symptoms himself.
My husband is the bug bringer too!
For what it’s worth - my husband had a terrible time with the first ones and his first booster. Huge swollen lymph nodes and fevers around 101-102F for 3 days. (And to note, I had the same shots and nothing but a very slightly sore arm!)
He got his new Pfizer omicron booster on Saturday, had a mild fever of 100 F for less than a day, and that was it.
thanks for your response. I will have a chat with my arrhythmia nurse re jabs. It’s early days after my Ablation so wii take my time coming to a decision. I’m lucky I live in a tiny hamlet surrounded by fields so am able to keep away from crowds plus food shopping can be done online.
I understand - I haven’t gotten mine yet because I was having a lot of ectopics this past week and didn’t want to risk poking the beast!
yes, my etopics have come out to play too, I’m trying to ignore them as best I can, it’s a little difficult, but they are worse if I give them any attention! I too do not want to annoy them further by having any jabs at present. I’ve even threatened them with the naughty step 😂. I hope your etopics start behaving themselves.
my ablation is 7 weeks old. I was worried about having booster and flu jab but all was well with both. 3 days after covid jab husband has gone down with mild covid and my heart rate is on the way up ( 90 just wandering round the house and usually 80 tops) so reckon I am next. Our jabs hadn’t had time to be effective but if all we have is a mild case I guess the vaccines have done their job. Fingers crossed. X
its good to know you were ok after your jabs. Not so good that your hubby has COVID. I hope you manage to stay well.
please advise the source of this
twitter.com/rob_roos/status...
So nothing there says it does not stop transmission, merely that they did not test for it.
I am not a qualified immunologist, but if the vaccination stopped people getting covid or at least the full blown version, I would be surprised if it did not at least reduce transmission overall.
Furthermore , as I understood it, the vaccines released were approved by the relevant health Authorities: the EU, the countries in the EU, in the UK in the USA, and probably in many other countries. All the relevant test data was approved or else it would not have been released. Presumably that did not contain any test results on transmission of Covid post vaccine. So that must have been known to the authorities.
As I have just read a report from the USA that says there was not a claim about any tests by Pfizer that it reduced transmission see below ( may need a copy paste)
apnews.com/article/fact-che....
I had AZ for first 2 doses, and Pfizer for my 3rd and recent 4th dose and I have never caught Covid ( so far) I am very happy about that as I personally know people including one very fit and healthy person who did catch COVID pre vaccinations availability and died.
Personally I dont see what the fuss is about.
I know nothing about Mr Roos, but making the statements as he is doing is, in my opinion, is very dangerous , as it may encourage people not to have future vaccine boosters .
MEPs really should know better. But maybe he wants to make a name for himself?
Indeed. My neighbour died during the first wave in 2020, he wasn’t old, he was active, he worked, he was always busy and was apparently healthy. That pretty much sways my decision when it comes to the vaccine.
I’ve checked this out too. Pfizer openly stated in their paper in December 2020 that transmission of the virus wasn’t tested. That wasn’t the endpoint of their trials and neither is it the endpoint in vaccine testing in general, whether it’s Covid vaccines or other vaccines. This is such a non-issue. The purpose of the vaccine is to protect against severe illness leading to hospitalisation and death, and no vaccine, including the Covid vaccines have ever offered 100% protection from anything. We were all told this early on. It appears Mr Roos is a Dutch MEP so no doubt he has his own agenda as politicians always do. He’s not an internationally renowned virologist or immunologist or anything like that. I think this is just another red herring for some YouTuber and his anti vax mates to grift upon. It has not influenced my decision re the autumn booster.
Here's where I saw it, though I did get a glimpse on tv too
youtube.com/watch?v=J6VbI8g...
I can’t watch him any more, I’m afraid. He used to be a credible source of information during the pandemic but he seems to be losing it now.
I have only read about this so far in French but there have been links to the hearings in the European Parliament . A Pfizer representative appeared before ghe European Parliament ( Bourla himself was actually supposed to go but sent a minion instead) and admitted that transmission was never an endpoint in the clinical trials
Hi Jean, well after having all three life threatening illnesses you're still here to tell the the tale, whereas 2yrs ago you may not have been. I also caught Covid on holiday just a week or two after my 4th booster 😳 but managed it quite well and just thankful for my jabs. Since then I've had my 5th covid booster and flu jab this week so know you mean but still think it was worth it. Just wondered whats waiting round the corner for us next! Stay well 😃.
Maybe it was different in Europe but I never heard “get jabbed for others”. Nor does that even make sense to me. If you catch Covid obviously you would be contagious?! Why would anyone think a vaccine would stop transmission from you to others when you have the disease. This wording is strange. The flu vaccine clearly works the same way, you can usually still catch AND transmit the flu, it’s just more mild than it would have been.
I recall being told very early that it would not be effective in preventing infections because of the virus mutating so fast. I feel this is one of those things where people play on something people were saying and twist it around to mess with peoples memories to fit an agenda. The only time I heard “do it for others” was for masking, since an infected person wearing a mask is the most important prevention from spreading it to others. Their mask won’t protect them anywhere near as well if you are freely coughing in the room.
Now what is really worth questioning is what happened to the supposed universal Covid vaccine that Walter Reed researchers were supposedly near finished with ages ago.
news.yahoo.com/walter-reed-...
I haven’t seen anything about it in nearly a year.
I have seen videos of both Joe Biden and Ms Walensky from the CDC saying that the vaccines stopped transmission. Perhaps they were misinformed?
Yes, they continued to say it even when we found it did not, to raise vaccine uptake as the vaccines did prevent much of the serious illness. I knew of the fact that it didn't prevent infection in summer of 2021, and I do recall seeing Biden still say after that, at least once, that it would prevent infection. I also at the time said to my husband - why is he still saying that? I disagree with their methods in that sense - they should have just been upfront about it - they should've just explained it like the flu vaccine immediately, because it works in a similar way in terms of preventing hospitalizations etc. I put this on par with Trump not "wanting to alarm people" and purposefully acting like it was no big deal because people can't be trusted to have the appropriate information and not "panic". The difference there being, he just managed to cause excess deaths, whereas the other lie caused better outcomes. I know why they do it, regardless of my disagreement with it. It is very clear though, that in the long run it's better to be honest up front. I hate the "mothering" that is often done by governments for various reasons. It's like when mom tells you lies to get you to eat vegetables. The fact is, a great many people are stupid and think in all or nothing terms constantly. Nuance is hard. So I get why they think it's necessary to deceive to achieve better outcomes. Doesn't mean I think it's appropriate.
But let's not take away from the point of my post - which was my incredulousness that anyone said to get jabbed "for others". Unless they were saying it in terms healthcare workers being the "others" since they needed a break. Otherwise it makes no sense.
I just watched an American television ad that shows a young boy getting the vaccine because he wants to protect his infant sister, and the pharmacy tech was congratulated him for being such a great, big brother. We were told that the unvaccinated were the reason it spread. I had the J&J and one booster. That put me in Afib. I’m not doing, another. The early strain was life threatening. Half the family vaccinated and half didn’t. Those who were out and about, all the time, came down with Covid, whether they were vaccinated or not. Some, on both sides, had it more than once. All of them, including my 90 year old mother, who had Omicron, did pretty well, except a nephew, who was hospitalized twice with pneumonia, something he gets regularly. A doctor told me we should know so much more, in the next few years. I don’t tell people what to do, because the science just isn’t there, yet. We need to do what’s best for ourselves and our families.
Having had Covid after three jabs and being very poorly with it, I just give thanks I’d had those three. If I hadn’t then maybe I wouldn’t be here now. My asthma was affected along with all the other nasty side effects and some Long Covid. Still tired, but I am alive! Had my 4th Covid jab last week, got my flu jab tomorrow. Had a pneumonia jab several years back because of the asthma. I’d rather the side effects than the illness…….
This was not a surprise to me. Anybody who bothered to read the info all the vaccine manufacturers put out about their clinical trials ( available online) would see that the endpoint for all the clinical trials was not whether the vaccines reduced transmission but reduction of symptomatic covid. Even this was a cheat as Pfizer tested the people in the placebo group who had symptoms more than the people in the vaccine arm. As a result they got 8 positive tests in the vaccine arm and 162 in the placebo. From whence the magic 95% efficiency figure. But if they had tested all the suspected cases in both groups and they had turned out positive , there would not have been a statistically significant difference between the two groups and they would never have got the emergency authorisation. The notion that the vaccines prevented transmission was put out by governments and media as well to encourage people to get vaccinated but people like Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance must have known it was false. In the summer of last year when Delta reared it"s head it became clear that the vaccines were not stopping transmission with superspreading events among fully vaccinated persons happening. I personally doubt they ever did. The rise and fall of cases in 2021 after the vaccine rollout can be explained by the natural waves of infection that occur with viruses. The same happened in2020 with covid dying down almost completely in the summer six months before the vaccines appeared.
Yes, I heard about Pfizer too. I couldn’t help wondering what the care workers and others who lost their jobs if they refused to get vaccinated due to them being deemed a risk to others, thought about that revelation! Not to mention the vaccination of children supposedly carried out to prevent spread to vulnerable adults in their family - remember Matt Hancock and his “don’t kill granny” message!
I had the 4th Covid last Monday. No issues only a sore arm atpont for 24
Not everyone is addicted to jabs pd63. I had two covid jabs and quickly realised they were a total waste of time. Won’t be having anymore. I’ve never had a flu jab. In regards to your other comment, even the less conspiratorially minded among us will know that the pharma companies are making billions if not trillions.
I'm not blase about any of this, yes I had two covid jabs , never had a flue jab or pnemonia, Eat healthy and try to be careful. My body doesn't like foreign bodies attacking it so am cautious.
Why were they a waste of time? Do you have any evidence? We need to know……
The statistics put out by the UKHSA last March show clearly that you were more likely not just to catch covid if you were triple jabbed but also to be hospitalised and die . The statistics were given by vaccination status as they have been from the beginning and showed that the % in each of the above groups ( infected, hospitalised , deceased) was greater than the % of the vaccinated in the population as a whole. A rapid solution was found - stop publishing by vaccination status. I think this happened even earlier in Scotland.
Can you give a link to where I can find this please?
I last saw the figures on a French website but I have seen them in English too. I can't remember where and I am useless with links anyway. The French website was xavier-bazin .fr and it was in an article linking to a conference given by a French doctor Louis Fourché.
I’ve just skimmed the French article about him and really believe it’s a media hype and he’s been been able to use the media to gain a semi-credibility. What’s missing from this article is actual proof. He goes on about feeding youngsters a healthy diet to combat illness, well we all know that’s a forgone conclusion. I’m afraid I’m still not convinced, but also don’t think this is the place for this discussion.
Who are you talking about Bazin or Fourché and did you watch the video? It is there that the stats from UKHSA are given. I don't know which French article you have skimmed but the article by Xavier Bazin on his website in which he gives the link to the Fourché conference has no mention of feeding youngsters ( or anyone else) a healthy diet to combat illness. Fourché might have said this at the end of the conference but my tablet would not play that section so I did not watch it . I only watched the section on the stats -Extrait no 2 .If you want to dismiss the figures from the UKHSA as a media hype go ahead . As for "don't think this is the place for this discussion" that's what all the pro vaxxers say when they want to shut up the sceptics or anybody who doesn't swallow the narrative whole.
Yes, put those challenging you down, and criticize whether they are reading the appropriate article, or "skimmed" it - meanwhile refuse to just provide the link you are talking about LOL!!! 🙄 What a joke.
Did you actually read Suzi's post? It was she herself who said she had skimmed the article . I told her how to find the UKHSA stats even if I did not provide a link. I have explained before umpteen times here that I am a technophobe and do not know ( never learned) how to provide links. Now if she did not link to the video that had the info she was challenging that is hardly my fault. I went back myself and checked both the Bazin article and his link to the video. I even told her what extract it was. The Bazin article that linked to Fourché's extracts did not say what she said it did. Maybe she read some other article . Maybe she misunderstood the French. I don't know and if she is unwilling to clarify I don't much care .
The numbers rose of infected because the new variants were more infectious AND because people stopped using precautions like masks etc. It's certainly not more likely because you were triple jabbed. I'm sitting here looking at the UKHSA statistics you mention, I notice they clearly state the correct interpretation of the data, which you apparently decided to interpret in your own way for your confirmation bias instead. In fact, I'm pouring over the very reports you mention, and I can not even fathom the mental acrobatics you did to make your conclusions. It's like you changed words so the numbers meant something different to you.
If 72% of the total population is vaccinated and the figures for cases , hospitalisations and deaths are 77.6, 76.9 and 89.9 % out of 100% for the vaccinated then they are higher than they should be if the vaccines were working . If the vaccines were working those figures would all be lower than 72%. This is for the population as a whole. When broken down into different age ranges there are different results for each tranche and the 50-59 age tranche does show a modest efficacy in terms of deaths. It does not matter if the numbers of infected rose because the new variants were more infectious or because people stopped wearing masks. Cases rose among vaccinated and unvaccinated alike If the vaccines were working they should rise less among the vaccinated. Anyway there is lots of controversy over whether masks work or not. Even the WHO said at the beginning of the pandemic they did not work. I have always worn a mask when they were required and even before then ,as even if they don't work I don't think wearing one is harmful to me and it reassures others. I have read what the UKHSA says about not using the vaccination status to elicit effectiveness of the vaccines due to various confounders such as testing behaviuor , different behaviour in social interactions etc, prior infection in unvaccinated . I do not see if these confounders are taken into account how the vaccines can be deemed effective either. So it comes down in the end to whether you believe you are being told the truth or not.
Everywhere I look, literally, everywhere, contradicts the numbers and conclusions you keep stating. Not to mention, the way you are stating them does not even make any sense at all. Let me know when you actually want to show us something.
I am looking at statistic after statistic on UKHSA - and I just noticed and I feel you missed this at the bottom of the some of the ones which you are likely interpreting incorrectly.
1 In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and
deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective.
This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may
also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than because of COVID-19.
NUANCE is hard. I know.
You are terribly fudging interpretation of numbers by not recognizing all of the factors that effect them - vaccine uptake, less cases being reported because of less testing AND so many are mild now, etc etc etc.
Here's one particular to think about - you could take the number of cases among vaccinated individuals and compare that to hospitalizations and deaths, and say "well look - there are many deaths or hospitalizations among the vaccinated who catch Covid!" - however, you need to recognize that those case numbers are going to be very low, and VERY likely be the people who were already susceptible to more severe illness, they get recorded precisely because they are very sick. The MANY MANY more mild cases that aren't reported at all at this point would drastically change your interpretations of cases among the vaccinated vs outcomes.
The bit you high light is a non starter. This may have been true at the beginning of the vaccination campaign in Dec 2020 - April 2021 . But by March 2022? Nearly all of the UK population who were not recalcitrant would have been not only vaccinated but boosted as well by then . By Christmas my daughter and son in-law had had their boosters and they are 30. Friends my age (70)well before then. The practice of counting as covid deaths individuals who are are hospitalised and die with say cancer and have either caught covid in the hospital or just happen to test positive when admitted is also skewing the figures. In looking at tables 11, 12 and 13 for weeks 8 to 11 in 2022 if you look at the figures for the over 80 age group the unvaccinated for hospitalisations are less than 5%. For deaths a bit over 7% . Cases are muddled by the high number of unlinked but if you split them in half and count half as unvaccinated unvaccinated still count for between 5 and 6% . Given that in that age group unvaccinated are about 7% of the general population they seem to be doing OK . It is interesting that if you go back to look at the surveillance data for week 39 of 2021 ( the first one given,) there are no notes about confounders and "this data should be interpreted with caution" plastered over the tables. Perhaps they were happy for it to be taken at face value when it went along with the narrative. They even give nice block graphs so it is easier to look at.
Then you would have to factor in the mild unreported cases among the unvaccinated too. But we have neither so have to make do with the figures that are reported.
And be certain to read the notes. You can't choose to interpret data to fit the narrative you wish it to fit.
The given summary of interpretation of data in regards to outcomes and vaccine effectiveness, provided within this same report:
Have a look at the summer versions of this data. No high confidence , very little medium confidence and mostly low confidence . Effectiveness of boosters wearing off maybe just as in summer last year the effectiveness of the first two jabs wore off? How many times a year do you think we will be urged to get these jabs?
There's low confidence now in so many statistics because so many cases go unreported. Do you seriously not understand this? Wow.
Well maybe just maybe that's because many of the "cases" are not that serious in terms of illness . After all nobody bothers to report common colds.
You complained of there being low confidence, I told you why. I know WHY there's low confidence I stated those reasons repeatedly here. Because cases are mild. It's actually maddening that you would point that out here, and forget to apply it elsewhere.
"There's low confidence ........wow"You said that cases were not being reported in your reply above. Funny I can't see the word mild in your reply . This might be the case for "cases" in the community. But hospitalisations? One of the first things they do if you make an unscheduled visit to a hospital is test you for covid ( well they do here). In the UK too. Perhaps they just chuck the results in the bin.
I made the point elsewhere. Clearly you missed it. Just like you choose to miss portions of documents you don’t agree with, and take the parts out of context that suit you.
Also just found this rather comprehensive fact check that gives you all the links you could possibly need to see all of the context required to correct your thinking - and this is my last post on this. I refuse to put in any more effort, as honestly, I tire of caring about people who choose not to concern themselves with context, and have no capacity to keep their confirmation bias in check.
reuters.com/article/factche...
The context of a highly vaccinated population only really applies if 100% of the population is vaccinated. Then of course everybody who is infected, hospitalised , dies is vaccinated . But as long as this is not the case and it certainly is not with the UK then the percentages affected in the vaccinated and unvaccinated can always be compared to their percentage in the population as a whole. Why do you think that in the summer when the effect of the booster jab was wearing off UKHSA stopped publishing cases and deaths with vaccination status?
EVEN disregarding your terrible reasoning - you've repeatedly used percentages and numbers completely incorrectly and formed incorrect conclusions - and I don't have the care or energy to explain it to you - how the #@!% does any of this have you make the leap to stating:
"The statistics put out by the UKHSA last March show clearly that you were more likely not just to catch covid if you were triple jabbed but also to be hospitalised and die . "
Ridiculous.
Oh wait, I know why, because you put the other misinterpretations regarding the antibodies together with it and were happy to draw that conclusion, that's why.
You are LITERALLY ignoring PORTIONS of the documents YOU Are "CITING"!!!
If 72% of the total population is vaccinated and the figures for cases , hospitalisations and deaths are 77.6, 76.9 and 89.9 % out of 100% for the vaccinated then they are higher than they should be if the vaccines were working . If the vaccines were working those figures would all be lower than 72%.
Again, regardless of your terrible reasoning - I would love to know exactly where you are pulling these numbers from. Tell me, you clearly stated exact numbers - you know where you got it from. SHOW ME.
I said earlier on - from a conference given by a French doctor. No I did not put the two things together . They are separate . Explain why failure to make antibodies to the nucleocapsid of the virus is a misinterpretation. You either make antibodies or you don't . A misinterpretation of what? Are you denying that vaccine negativity exists? There are years when flu vaccines have negative effectiveness by the end of the flu season. A Swedish study last year found that by 9 months after the original two covid jab schedule the vaccine effectiveness was negative.
You are incorrigible. Also it seems to me you conveniently refuse to point directly to where you pull things from in order to avoid anyone actually being able to directly map out your errors in reasoning. You likely subconsciously decide to continually avoid learning how to actually share things in order to keep that in place, because people being unable to directly explain your errors keeps you secure in your beliefs. Keep ensuring your opponents can't view and debate the same data you cite, and you never have to actually defend anything. 👍 That said, I've wasted way too much time here.
Nope - I'm just a lazy technophobe. Also I can't always remember exactly where I read something. I expect that happens to most people . But thanks for the crap psychoanalysis. It made me laugh.
Still haven't made any attempt to directly point us to your sources. You've done nothing here but prove what I said to be correct.
You are speaking in EXACT numbers. Show us them. Or @%#@ off.
I told SuziElly how I had found the figures. Why should I bother to repeat myself for you? Especially when you are so rude with your barely disguised expletives.
A "lazy technophobe" who types hundreds and hundreds of words on their device, on an internet forum. Lmao.
Typing fortunately does not require any computer savvy. You might recall people have been typing long before computers were invented. I.believe they used type writers.
Blah blah blah - it is not hard to copy and paste. Maybe I should assume this explains how you have fudged your reasoning so terribly also? Nah, I’m pretty sure I was right the first time.
Considering the one document that you managed to vaguely point us to, you have deliberately ignored the parts of that very document that didn’t fit your narrative. It’s honestly pathetic.
Keep up your derogatory comments - you are really upsetting me.
You deliberately ignoring part of the document you are “citing” from is the truth. 🖕
"Are you denying that vaccine negativity exists? " No - Take your straw man and shove it. I already pointed to perfectly valid explanations of why you are misinterpreting the information regarding the antibodies. Another thing conveniently ignored.
Ive had none, never will and I'm still here. Have had one mild cold in three years and just wore a face shield when masks were mandated. I still went shopping and refused to be frightened by the press hysteria. I am a great believer in supplements and my own immune system.
I had one jab ( Janssen) in Aug 21. I very much regret it. I have not had a respiratory infection since March 2016. I believe my husband had covid in Dec 2019 ( there is evidence from blood samples that covid was circulating in France and Italy long before the Chinese fessed up to it) but despite being together 24/7 I did not catch it. I have a very high level of vit D and take other immune boosting supplements.
Auriculaire.Thank you for your reply. I also take high levels if vitamin D and other supplements. Nice not to get shot down in flames. 😊
They are reserving their ammo fo me!
Ahh bless you. Have a hug from me.🤗🥰
Its interesting to hear about your husband, Auriculaire, as both my mother and I had the worst bout of what we believed to be ‘flu in December 2019. We have both never been so ill with anything like it in our lives before and mum is firmly convinced it was Covid. Sounds like she could have been right!
Exactly the same as my mother in law. She was very ill in the December and had the same thoughts.
I have my 4th Covid jab booked for Sunday and I am very hesitant about having it.
I have been AF free since November and then my episode of AF was brought on by my jab
Two out of my three jabs brought on AF and I had an episode when I caught Covid but I have had no other episodes in 3 years
My cardiologist understandably is reluctant to advise either way but he agrees that I am likely to have another episode
I am on Apixiban and I take bisoprolol as a PIP - I have no underlying health conditions
Friends I spoke to last night said they had felt very unwell for a week after but in general it seems from posts on the forum that everyone has tolerated it well
Ummm this is a very unhelpful thread, it is a thinly veiled anti vax.
If you research, you will see that the new Covid booster is a specially designed one targeting the new omicron/ post omicron variants, it is very well reviewed. It has had low take up because of views expressed in this thread. It is available in many parts of the US to any adult. In the UK, now to over 50s. There are more people seriously unwell and in hospital with Covid at the moment (and it is irrelevant where they caught it, it remains a threat) than this time last year. The lack of panic is purely because there is so much panic over Ukraine and our economy.
All the vaccines were hoped to help prevent transmission and there has been lots o coverage about this. Not just Pfizer. If you read proper newspapers or follow the science. Sadly they found that the biggest effect of vaccines was on serious illness and if you caught the blighter you could still pass it on. As vax reduced symptoms and reduced serious illlness it did reduce transmission but much less than had been hoped. If an immunisation stops all illness it stops all transmission, which is why we are not surrounded by polio and smallpox etc.
I really think the “I’m alright” attitude is very unscientific and unhelpful.
My new Covid booster made me unwell for a day, previous ones didn’t but that was the immune system kicking in. My flu Jab two days later made the arm even more tender but all good 48 hours later. I think full on Covid will be worse for my heart / AF than the jabs. I had the flu jab every year (worked in NHS) no regrets.
If you want to see the consequences of a no jab life look at the child mortality in those places that can’t afford them.
Hummmmmmm
Never meant to start activaccination chit chat.
Ain't against myself, just a bit of jab fatigue that's
A sensible post. Read my reply to someone further up here. Much rather the side effects than the illness and I give thanks I’d been triple jabbed when I caught the dreaded Covid. I was very I’ll but not hospitalised. If I’d had no jabs I wonder if I would even be here………
Hi FaberM,
I thought the updated bivalent Pfizer vaccine available in UK only included the BA1 variant, whereas the updated bivalent Pfizer vaccine available in USA includes the BA4 and BA5 variants. You don't seem to have mentioned this.
Are you saying this difference is unimportant? Just asking.
bob
From NHS gov site:
“You will be given a booster dose of a vaccine made by Pfizer or Moderna. You may be offered an updated combination version of these booster vaccines – the combination vaccines include a half-dose of the previous vaccine combined with a half-dose of a vaccine against the Omicron variant. For a very small number of people another vaccine product may be advised by your doctor.”
Mine was a Pfizer fancy one my husband a Moderna
Yes, but the one you received was an updated vaccine that only included the Omicron BA 1 variant, not the one available in USA that includes changes for the later and more relevant Omcron BA4/BA5 variants.
Pfizer managed to offload their supply of this earlier updated bialent BA1 version to the UK. What a surprise!
There was a NICE link on the Forum a short while back that spoke to these issues. I will try to find it, but you seem happy with the one you received, which is your choice.
bob
not sure of your point but hey, I am pleased to have had the jab. Bye
Hi again,
I found the NICE link that describes exactly the versions of Pfizer and Moderna available in UK for this year's boosters ...
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This matter is not unimportant.
bob
You are misinformed about the up to dateness of the bivalent Moderna booster available in the UK. If you go to the MHRA website you will see that the Omicron strain targeted is BA1. This is no longer circulating and has been superceded by BA4/5 . The Moderna bivalent in America does target BA4/5. Why this difference? Because the reactogenicity results for BA1 were so underwhelming that even the FDA were not satisfied . So a BA4/5 bivalent was produced. So why has the UK settled for the superceded strain? You think to tar those who actually bother to find these things out with the antivax label. Well as far as covid jabs are concerned that demonisation trick is not working as well any more and pretty soon won't work at all.
I’m not tarring anyone. The original post and some comments were antivax. I am interested in information about what is currently being offered, but wary of the spirit in which it is offered.
Antivax is a catch all derogatory term .There are many scientists and doctors who believe that the covid vaccines do more harm than good and are coming out and saying so. They are described as antivax despite the fact that they have never spoken against other types of vaccines before. The term is meant to tar them and stop people listening to their opinions. It is actually meant to shut down discussion of this completely new technology which is being tested at a planetary level. In my view this is unscientific as true science evolves with open debate.
I doubt the scientific consensus is that they cause more harm than good. It is the reverse. There are scientists who doubt climate change but that is not the consensus.
The medical consensus is continually being revised although slowly. Unfortunately it is too influenced now by the financial corruption of the major pharmaceutical companies extending even into medical publishing as pointed out by former editors of the BMJ and NEJM. My reply to anyone who cites " consensus" is " Semmelweiss". Semelweiss was consigned for his heresy to an asylum where he was beaten to death by a warder. Today doctors and scientists who speak out can lose their jobs ( see the latest nonsense bill in California ), never get research grants again or even have their medical licences revoked. So many stay silent.
I'm alright attitude, they are your words. People make their own decisions and people like you who seem to know it all aren't at all helpful. I'm 78 and have many issues and I've taken care of myself as best I can. not everyone can put "stuff" in their body, as you obviously can and have no side effects, or maybe in your belief it wasn't really happening for others. I never put anyone else in danger and do all that I know to keep me and everyone around me safe. We haven 't had covid. Doing something right. Be more considerate for others please.
Problem is every new shade of vaccine that’ll be released will have something unique about it to target this or that new variant. Some people will have it some won’t. In my opinion they are milking the last bit of money from it that they can. This is no longer fringe opinion either. It’s fairly mainstream. Evidenced by the lack of uptake, which I think has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine. It served its purpose to keep the very sick from dying (possibly, nobody actually knows this as fact one way or the other) but in my opinion was a total waste of time for the fairly healthy and young in my opinion.
Isn’t antivax in any way it’s just an opinion. The same as yours. I would say a lot of Vaccines definitely serve a purpose.
With all due respect whether you think certain opinions/decisions/attitudes are unhelpful is completely irrelevant. People have their own brains and will make up their own minds about what goes into their bodies it’s as simple as that. What you, I or anyone else thinks is totally irrelevant. It’s up to the individual. I have no idea why people need to get offended by anyone else’s opinion and get their back up about it 🤷♂️ It is what it is.
It is not about taking offence, it is about objecting to opinion being used as though it is scientific fact. I prefer to take my facts re the vaccines from my friend who is a consultant virologist at the University of Birmingham and my GP. If you choose to take your opinions as facts that is up to you. But it is dangerous to assume others can rely on opinions or that all opinions are equally valid. You are welcome to decide what goes into your body but I would hope that your opinion doesn’t deters someone from taking up a vaccination and they then becomes very unwell with Covid.
I’ve stated multiple times it’s an opinion and never once mentioned the word fact in the way your portraying. Nothing is fact in science if you want to be technical. Virtually everything is updated and/or replaced and if someone is influenced by a single persons opinion ie mine then that’s their problem not mine. Anyone of adult age has a brain and should be able to use it to make their own decision. People should be responsible for their own decisions and stop blaming others.
sorry Eli but no, it is not true that there are no facts in science. Sorry. Theories about facts get updated and paradigms shift but there are facts. Some facts are altered but many key facts are just that, facts. Bye
Your talking to the wrong person about this 😆 can you name one that is not currently under scrutiny and/or being altered/changed? General relativity is one that’s lasted a good length of time and even that’s under scrutiny now. As technology and knowledge advances “facts” change its as simple as that. You’ll be hard pressed to find a single credible scientist who states anything as fact. They call them “theories” for a reason.
Elli - how is it any different than the seasonal flu vaccine?
it’s not and the young and/or healthy don’t need to have that either
Yeah, but I was "young and healthy" and had an extremely terrible bout with the flu around 2013? the one time I actually caught it in my early 30s. (And btw, many people get a stomach bug and think that was the flu, or a cold - and they are terribly mistaken.) I have never felt so terrible in my life. In fact, myself, my husband, AND my then ~7 year old son were basically unable to function at all for over a week. I had my son sleeping next to me and it was just a nightmare, one I barely remember all the details of due to the fevers. I started getting my flu shot after that.
I’ve had flu twice. First time was when I was able to do kickboxing and I was as fit as I’ve ever been. Same symptoms you describe. Roughly 4/5 days of being bed ridden and not moving with a temperature through the roof. Yes it was bad but still wouldn’t feel the need to have a jab for it. Second time wasn’t half as bad.
I’ve also had covid twice. First time after having no jabs at all. Felt rubbish and dragged on for a while but nowhere near as bad as even the second bout of flu. I currently have another bout of covid as we speak. Best way to describe it currently is a really bad cough/cold that’s dragged on for 6/7 days. Overblown in my opinion and experiance. But again that’s just my opinion.
Thank you for this very reasonable post Faber. People get way too caught up in their own personal yay or nay "camp" and fail to recognize the reasoned ground they should be on.
The reasoned ground where you look at the options and use your brain to make your own decision you mean?
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You are plagued with confirmation bias. I don't think there's a vaccine for that.
I’m assuming you found that funny as you felt the need to use 10 laughing emojis? 9 wouldn’t quite have cut it and 11 would have been just that bit too much.
It’s a shame you didn’t carry the same level of meticulous detail into recognising the absolute irony of your statement.
I'm responding in kind to your flippant comment "The reasoned ground where you look at the options and use your brain to make your own decision you mean?" trying to put me into some bull@#%@ straw man that you wish me to be in. You said it as though it was a response to what I said, you ADDED implications to what I said that weren't there with your response - you conflated my response into context of your discussion with Faber.
Let me make clear, I wasn't SPEAKING to you or about you. 🖕
I suggest you look up the term reasoned, related to reasoning. You’ll find my original statement is on point.
Trying to offend me is just about as pointless as the rest of your comments on this post. For me to be offended your opinion has to mean something.
You’ve jumped on many people on this post yet your comments are full of irony and holes. You have a superiority complex. Anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion must be wrong and has to be shot down otherwise your fragile ego is damaged. How about becoming an adult and just recognising that everyone has an opinion and no one opinion is more important or pointless than the next.
Ciao amico
Excuse me, as I said I was talking to Faber, not you. Don’t be high and mighty when you gave me attitude and got it back. 🖕
You’ve jumped on many people on this post yet your comments are full of irony and holes. You have a superiority complex. Anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion must be wrong and has to be shot down otherwise your fragile ego is damaged. How about becoming an adult and just recognising that everyone has an opinion and no one opinion is more important or pointless than the next.
Who the $&@! are you talking to? Yourself? Someone else who posted?
Stop talking to me. Seems to me you’re the one who thinks the world revolves around you, to have responded as though my post had anything to do with you.
Let me know where I jumped on anyone about their opinion in this thread. I’ve been talking to Auri about her inability to cite her sources for the facts she is pandering. Not her opinions. She is posting facts and figures. And she ignores portions of the same documents she cites figures from.
Idk who the $&@! you are talking about. It isn’t me.
You’ve just proven every point I made. Your ignorance of your own mind is astounding as is your level of maturity .
I know your American, so English is not your first language but you could at least try to put 3 sentences together without swearing or using childish “f you” emojis.
It seems you have been “triggered” this should be a term you understand, being a yank and the fact this has happened through the use of words on an Internet forum is hilarious and a sign of your sensitivity.
Stop trying to control things that you have no power over and try taking control of something that you should have an influence on, like your fragile ego.
Good luck!
try responding to what I said next time and I might care. 🥱
I’ll wait for you to show me where I jumped on people about their opinions. Stillllllll waiting. Lmao
You’ll be waiting a while. If you lack the intelligence or level of self awareness to work it out yourself that’s not my problem. It’s in full view to anyone who cares to look.
I see you took my advice about the swearing though. That’s a step in the right direction i suppose. Your well on your way to becoming a fully fledged adult. Congratulations 🥳
it’s not there. I jumped on no one’s opinions Elli.
In effect there is little difference between taking preventative medicine and medical jabs. Jabs have prevented most of the world from catching polio. I believe there are a few cases each year in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
So just as I use my inhalers 4 times a day against asthma I'm happy to have jabs to help me stop catching a disease or lessening that disease if I catch it. I'm grateful to the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation for discovering Warfarin, to Dr. Salk for his vaccine against Polio. As for the Covid, I'm grateful for scientists who developed vaccines to lessen the effects of Covid, and I've had 5 jabs so far, plus annual flu jabs for nearly 30 years and never caught either Covid or Influenza.
As for what profits the companies are making, that is not relevant to this health forum. We discuss our health conditions not politics. I have permanent AF also. My latest condition is right Foot Drop for which sadly there is no vaccine or pill.
Good reply. I also have something for which there is no cure, Dercum’s Disease. Look that one up, it’s not nice to live with. In fact I’ve just had another seven, yes seven, lumps removed from my arms. Still have literally hundreds, but hey, I’m alive!
i looked up Dercum's disease and it sounds horrible. I hope you get some respite from it.
oh, thank you Thomas. I’ve had it for many years and am on constant pain relief and when anything gets too painful or too big then they surgically remove them for me. It’s an ongoing thing and I’ve just learned to live with it. I used to get terribly embarrassed about my arms but now, we’ll it’s other peoples problem, not mine……..
vaccines have saved millions of lives over the years, just think.of polio for one. Or smallpox.
Covid was killing droves of people before the vaccines came along. We should be grateful we have the opportunity to have them if we choose to.
Yes, the official question being asked is in the YouTube presentation above. I'm not for or against the covid jab, just confused as to what is best. Have had 3 and can't have 4th for a while as I had covid a few weeks ago.
How many times have you had covid?
Only had covid once about 4-5 weeks ago, but had it alongside pneumonia so I'm not sure which symptoms went with which. Still unable to do much that involves moving around and also coughing up gunge. Though all in all I feel so much better in myself these last few days.
There is a lot of misinformation out there about all aspects of healthcare. Not only with the vaccines but all sorts of nonsense, like ‘alkaline water’ and detox foot pads. Sometimes it’s easy to spot a pseudoscience scam but it can sometimes be less obvious especially when a lot of jargon is used that sounds scientific but has no basis in reality. It relies on the listener/reader not having sufficient background knowledge to understand what’s being said. I did a course on understanding health information, one part of which was about reviewing the body of evidence and not just one paper. There’s also a lot of ‘vanity journals’ that don’t have much credibility but how does the average person know about that? It’s actually quite hard work to separate the reliable and credible information from the distorted, personality-driven polemic type of information. During the pandemic I was sufficiently motivated to sift through what was out there because I felt that it was in my interests to do so. I appreciate that not everyone has the time, opportunity and motivation to do all that, and it also depends on how much background knowledge you already have. I’m no microbiologist but I’d studied these subjects at school, and that definitely helps. I have a friend who did no science at all, and TBH you could tell her anything and she’d believe it.
My mind was made up because my neighbour died in the first wave and that was before any vaccine and before the antiviral drugs. I have another neighbour who is a nurse and who was deployed on the Covid wards and she had no hesitation about getting the vaccine. She said she didn’t give it a second thought. She had seen what it could do to people. I also know someone who won’t take the vaccine and hasn’t left the house since before the pandemic. She won’t open her door without a mask. I suspect there’s something else going on with her. I don’t think her behaviour is normal. However, it is how she has chosen to deal with Covid.
I accept that we all are responsible for our own healthcare decisions. I believe I made an informed decision and took the vaccines, but I also observed all the other non pharmacological steps like masking and social distancing. I carried on as usual with eating well, sensible exercise, getting to bed in good time, and all of those things. I don’t dose myself up with supplements other than vitamin D, but I was taking that already before the pandemic. I don’t believe that it has magical anti Covid properties!
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Unfortunately there could be a political element here in Florida as covid vaccines have been politicised in the USA. De Santis might well run in the 2024 election. More importantly Denmark is no longer recommending the vaccines for healthy under 50 year olds.
Yes. But it appears not to be political in nature. When doing extensive research, other countries have similar results to their data including Israeli Scientists and Doctors. The problem lied in censorship. Information regarding the negative effects has been censored. The adverse effects will not be censored for long. It will be exposed over time as more people report it and more media sites will not be able to hide it.
I agree. On the whole I think the Israeli data is probably the most reliable. Their scientists are less afraid of calling out their government 's propaganda. There have also been very damaging leaks recently from Israeli scientists saying their government knew all about serious reactions to the vaccines but suppressed it. But sooner or later there will be a tsunami of stuff coming to light . The trouble is people do not wish to believe they have been deceived and lied to. When objections were raised to the speed of the vaccine development we were told that no corners were cut. This was not true . No carcinogenicity studies were done - because they are long term . No tetragenicity studies were done - pregnant women were not allowed in the trials. The studies in rats showed some of the vaccinated rats produced offspring with abnormalities - an extra rib . Ignored. Adverse serious effects in the trials were ignored in some cases. Too inconvenient. But in the end this will get drip by drip out into the mainstream.
TBH even if this is true, cancer in 10 years is preferable to death tomorrow by COVID oreven death 2 years ago. In the intervening 9 years I may well be run over by a bus anyway! Life is for living! Do your best!
Thank you! Finally, a post where someone actually did extensive research and read the reviews and data on the vaccines. Just typing the word "vaccine" would get a person censored so I believe this one will be taken down as well. Unfortunately, you are correct to state that people do not want to believe they have been deceived and lied to and those that believe the media also formed their opinions watching TV. Mark my words and yours, "Approximately one year from now, the lies and government propaganda on the damages these vaccines caused will be exposed to the general public." It's only a matter of time. Stay well and again thank you for the courage and bravery to post this and alert the public.
I would not really say I had done extensive research on the vaccines. I wanted to make my own mind up about whether to be vaccinated or not and not just accept what I suspected was propaganda. In the end I had one jab - the Janssen . In hindsight and considering what has come out about the the quickly waning effectiveness and the (for some) very bad side effects I am convinced I made the wrong decision. But you can't get the jab out of your arm once it's in. I am not so sanguine as you as to whether a year will see the truth come out. There is too much money riding on this new platform and Pfizer and Moderna will want to milk boosters as long as they can. Their aim is to try and get the vaccines onto the childhood vaccination schedule .
I believe you made a good point. I will pray the hundreds upon hundreds of ongoing lawsuits will eventually protect the children.
Well said John. Unfortunately vaccines are more a matter of religion than science these days. Which is why the covid injections were labelled as vaccines and not as genetic treatments even though the WHO and dictionaries!!! had to change their definition of a vaccine to make them fit in. The head honcho of Bayer has been caught on camera saying as much and that people would never have accepted them so readily had they been labelled as what they really are. The pro vaxxers intone their mantra of millions of lives have been saved by vaccines and howl if anybody ( heretics) questions this - as if they were the Spanish Inquisition. They know very little if anything about the history of vaccination and the murky episodes therein. Smallpox was not eradicated in the UK by vaccination but by better nutrition and public health measures including effective track and trace . The role of the city of Leicester in this is very interesting. There have been " mishaps" with polio vaccines too and the sorry tale of dengue vaccine in the Philippines has the government there prosecuting one of the major Pharma companies ( can't remember which one ).
You are right - it is absolutely about the money. Drug development in Pharma is grinding rapidly to a halt - there have been no major blockbuster drugs for a while and so the companies are switching to vaccines for everything as this is a better bet . You don't need sick people as they can be injected into the healthy and if you get them onto the childhood vaccination schedule - bingo! And with mRNA production costs should be cheaper - especially if there is laxity over the integrity of the m RNA as has happened with Pfizer - the representative who appeared before the European Parliament admitted that they had had problems at their production plant in Belgium.
Last year the UKHSA found out that people who had been vaccinated made less antibodies to the nucleocapsid of the virus when they got a " breakthrough " infection than the unvaccinated did. This implies that the vaccines are somehow interfering with the immune system but not in a good way . There have been many studies since then that are confirming this. The fact that there are people getting Omicron over and over again despite being triple or quadruple jabbed should make people question whether these vaccines are indeed working. They are certainly not living up to the promise that was made back in 2020- that they would be the solution to the pandemic.
I searched your exact words on Google since you do not provide links, I believe the results speak for themselves. Read all of the results, not just the ones you wish to read to confirm anything. Maybe you'll end up with a more reasoned stance. Or maybe you will just dismiss anything that doesn't fit what you already wish to believe. google.com/search?q=who+had...
Aoxomoxoa thank you for the fact check, excellent shows how science is complicated but you may disrupt the narrative of the deeply suspicious who simplify it.
I said to John that the failure to make antibodies to the nucleocapsid implies that the vaccines are interfering with the immune system not that this was why you are more likely to catch covid. They could be interfering in other immune functions .
Do the vaccines ever leave the body do you think , I’ve had two but won’t have anymore. My mum got cancer after her booster and can’t help but think this is linked as have heard a lot of others getting cancer after boosters.
There are reports of people getting cancers after the vaccines - more particularly people who have had cancers before, who have been in remission for years then getting an aggressive return of their cancers. This would be consistent with a damaged immune system not keeping cancers in check. Our bodies are producing cancerous cells all the time but our immune system recognises them and destroys them , stopping them developing into actual tumours. How long does the body go on producing the spike protein the vax provokes? I don't think anybody knows for sure. But it can be a lot longer than what was first thought. The longest time I have read is 15 months. There will probably be huge differences in individuals . One of the problems is it was thought that the spike protein would stay in the area of the injected arm. But biodistribution studies ( Pfizer's own that were made public by a FOI request to the Japanese government) showed that it travelled round the body and accumulated in various organs . Each time you get a booster spike production will revv up again. I have had one Janssen jab. Six weeks after I had it I got a letter from my local health authority saying that one jab was no longer considered sufficient and to get another. I declined and also refused the winter boosters even though it meant I lost my passe sanitaire and could no longer go anywhere other than for essential shopping. I am really sorry this happened to your mum but there is no way of knowing for sure if the booster was the cause . I hope she is responding to treatment.There is no point in worrying whether the jabs we have had have damaged us . We can't get them out of our arms once they are in and stress will dampen the immune system further.
thank you. Yes mum had cancer on her lip and had it all cut out. Hopefully that’s it and nothing else comes up. Do you think the flu jab is safe as I heard a doctor saying on the tv that they might put the vaccine in that. I don’t trust them.
I have no idea . I think for the moment it is unlikely. But they are trying to develop flu jabs which use the mRNA platform. If they succeed with that they might combine them. I think flu jabs are a scam on the whole. A lot of years their efficacy is very low generally and they work poorly anyway in older people . I haven' t had one since 2011 and have no intention of having any in the future.
thank you, I really don’t know wether to have it or not. I’ve had a flu jab for years but all this has put me off, I only have it because I have health problems.
Certainly not paid by any drug companies. I know what I stated from having 4 doses of the 2 vaccines described. I know there was approval, as there were big arguments in the UK /Eu that were in the press. Funny that the article states the same?
No FDA approval for Covid19 vaccines. That's a fact. Millions have been lied to. Why would you ever trust any government?
You seem quite well informed, actually! I really wish I knew how to get money from drug companies for just saying “I had the Covid vaccine”, especially with energy bills and food prices going up and up. I could certainly do with a few extra quid. 🤣
Please advise the drug companies! See if they want to pay me! No I dont work for a drug company, I have never worked for a drug company, I am not qualified to work for a drug company, and as the majority, I took my chances with what the drug companies and the NHS were supplying, What was the alternative?
I have done some things extra which as a sample of one, I cannot say is statistically correct. However even now, no shopping gets into my fridge or cupboards without being wiped down with 70 % hand sanitiser. (yes I know i am very anal). Some things I leave in my car for 3 days so I dont need to wipe them (wiping very tedious after 2 years)
Lat year I adopted the Vit D3 100 Mg (400 iu) plus 200Mg Vit K daily). the year before I did half that dose without the Vit K , because Dr Faucci (USA) said he had increased vit D so it seemed a good idea . I do think this is likely to have helped but no idea how much. But it cost pennies - why not? - nothing to lose!
No one in my house has caught Covid. Statistically sample of 3 irrelevant I know.
My oldest son caught covid, confirmed on Christmas day. But he does not live with us., doesnt do the wipe regime , does not do Vit D3. However he was home for XMas when he was diagnosed , The other 3 of us, although exposed for 3 days closely, did not catch it. And yes he was quarantined in his bedroom as soon as we knew until he had negative results! ( probably wont come home for Xmas this year!)
Personally i think the main reason we did not catch Covid was the vaccine! The rest just helped. But I dont know . As I say frequently I am NOT medically trained.
I have to agree that the vaccine appears to be the preventative. I live in South Africa and have had 3 Pfizer vacs. Although early in the pandemic we had lockdowns and compulsory mask wearing in major shops, this was frequently not adhered to. I have never had the virus and although I have been diligent about hand washing and using the sanitizers provided by shops, I have never wiped down shopping etc. Now, I think the government has given up, many of the restrictions have been removed, vaccination centres have closed down and the daily figures are no longer 'in our face'. The only two people I know who have died were pre vaccination - one an Asian gentleman, this ethnicity seems to be more susceptible to it, and the other a doctor from the practice I attend. All my friends have been fully vaccinated - my son and his family contracted the omicron variant after vaccination, but it was just a day of sniffles.
I agree 100% with protecting our health in other ways too. I was already taking vitamin D for my bone health. My consultant recommended 800-1000 IU daily. I’m realistic enough to know that vitamin D does not prevent or treat Covid, nor does zinc, nor does vitamin C. They don’t prevent or treat colds so why would they magically work for Covid? I used to do the wiping down of groceries and I quarantined my mail at the beginning of the pandemic but gradually I gave up on all that, but I do accept hand hygiene is good at preventing the spread of infections. I don’t like touching surfaces on buses or anywhere people put their grubby hands. I know a few people who won’t take the vaccine. One believes in herbs and one hasn’t set foot outside her front door since before the pandemic. Both of these people are more vulnerable to serious consequences of Covid if they do get it, but ultimately it’s their decision. Other people have had Covid and feel protected by that, and perhaps there is rationale behind that. I’d rather take the vaccine than not. I know it’s a choice. I know that we all take calculated risks every day and it’s not as if we have a zero risk of anything. I’ve been proactive about keeping informed, I’m aware of all the conspiracies and the ineffective Covid treatments that may have many fans but no evidence. It’s not as if I haven’t heard all these opinions but they have failed to impress me. It’s not as if any of us WANTED vaccines, lockdowns, furlough, masks, social bubbles, everything closed etc. Nobody wanted it. I always saw the steps I took as protecting myself and we all had no clue how things would go. As I said before, my neighbour died in the first wave and he was an apparently healthy, active family man, and that has influenced my decisions throughout. And if I had any doubts about the vaccine I’d imagine what he would say and it would be “Are you %*#?!* mad? Go and get the %^?*%* vaccine!”
All I can say is good luck. I haven't been vaxxed and had Covid for 1 day and night in 2019 nothing since, not even the flu. Peace
my friends said the same about smoking into old age. So? Data is not the plural of anecdote
I never meant my comment to be anything other than my experience. Besides, I'm not the only one there are many others like me, I'm not an isolated case like your reply implies. Peace
From Fibromyalgia forum, posted today:
"Has anyone else had this problem. I received my 4th Covid jab and flu one in the same day nearly two weeks ago. Up until then I had been having a lovely time busy seeing friends and family and a short break away. Lots of walking.
However since having the two jabs have been feeling very unwell with headache, nausea, burning hot with night sweats, freezing feet, shivering, sharp pains, dull aches, dry mouth, dry skin and extreme fatigue. I’m unsure whether this is fibro, the reaction to the two injections or something else. I also have coeliac disease and under active thyroid and take thyroxine. I have made a telephone appointment with the doctor in two weeks time as I haven’t seen a consultant regarding coeliac for about twenty years and thought t would sort that out first. I have 3 monthly B12 injections for that and also had Vitamin D deficiency. Is fibromyalgia making feel this ill ? I don’t know what to do? Am just resting and have no motivation to do much at all."
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Here - a link to the UKHSA statistics page. Let me know where on this page
"The statistics put out by the UKHSA last March show clearly that you were more likely not just to catch covid if you were triple jabbed but also to be hospitalised and die . The statistics were given by vaccination status as they have been from the beginning and showed that the % in each of the above groups ( infected, hospitalised , deceased) was greater than the % of the vaccinated in the population as a whole. A rapid solution was found - stop publishing by vaccination status. I think this happened even earlier in Scotland."
is shown. I've looked through dozens of statistics on this page, and every single one shows clearly that the vaccinated are MUCH less likely to have serious illness or be hospitalized or die. I cannot find anything corroborating your statements. And I even also focused in on March of both 2021 and 2022. Nothing.
No, I wouldn’t go so far as to say “addicted” lol!
It looks like it’s heading towards becoming an annual booster. I don’t think anyone has described the annual flu shot as an “addictive” ritual or anything.
I actually think people are becoming complacent and that’s where the potential for more severe disease could arise at some point in the future. Most of the UK population has taken up the jab, not everyone of course, and not everyone took the boosters, but they still have some protection from the jab and possibly some from having a less severe infection because they were fully or partially vaccinated beforehand. I think we’re actually seeing complacency more than anything else because people “feel” safer. It might just turn out to be a false sense of security as immunity wanes. But we can’t predict the future and we don’t know how the virus will evolve and what else might happen. We didn’t see Covid coming, did we? And people have very short (and selective) memories.
Hi
Dont know about profits but
as a young nurse I lined up for jabs.
It's saved me from illness.
Shingles I say no to. I looked after my mother and father didnt get it.
COVID I havent had it - now 4 jabs.
Flu I dont have. A jab of ?able solution.
cheers JOY. 73. (NZ)
All I can say i have had 4 vaccines, have not had Covid, and have had no side effects at all from the vaccines other than a sore arm for 24 hours ish! My wife fell ill for 36 hours after her first Atra Zeneca, but nothing at all with the second, and nothing with her 3rd (pfizer).
Neither of my sons have any issues at all (but they are in their 20s)!
Wis I'd never posted this message
What has being articulate got to do with being computer savvy? Or anything else for that matter. Computers don't interest me any more than motor mechanics so I've never bothered to learn how they work anymore than I could fix my car. You seem to be implying that I am lying about this .
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Had my fifth Covid Vaccination just over a week ago - didn't even have a sore arm - had pfizer I had 3 pfizer vaccines and one Moderna and had no problems with any of them.
medscape.com/viewarticle/98...
Some emerging consensus that any booster is worth having, even if it not one of the newly minted anti-omicron ones. Reassuring
This is for those who are likely to want a booster, not those who have decided they are not for them.
Covid jab whilst in AF?
Booster and flu jab together 
PETRIFIED to get the jabs with a-fib & SVTs
Should I have the shingles jab
