Hi, has anyone else experienced AF attacks within hours of Covid Jab.
The nurse told me it can affect hearts, and this time, i was not going to have it but did, and again, had a bad AF attack within 4 hours, just as i did last time,
I feel it must be associated as i get PAF fintermittently
Sorry to hear you’ve had this reaction. I think it’s fairly safe to say that anything can potentially trigger AF depending on the individual and there has been much debate about Covid vaccines on this forum. I personally won’t have my flu and covid boosters at the same time, but am more afraid of long covid than I am of triggering AF, so always have my booster. It always feels like I’m taking a risk though.
Well this time, i did have my flu 2 weeks prior to Covid for this reason, and still AF badly. I have always decryed all those anti vaxers, but am beginning to wonder due to all i have read who have since developed some kind of heart issue. I personally never had any AF or any heart issues until Covid jabs, and i am 77 now.
It’s so unfair. As my EP said, given the massive scale of the vaccine operation there was inevitably some shrapnel. Most people are fine, no reaction, but I found it comforting in an odd kind of way to think of myself as shrapnel when questioning my EP whether the vaccine had triggered my persistent AF! Gave us a laugh too!
Well, it was catching Covid in 2022 that really accelerated my previously very infrequent AFib into *every other day*, necessitating surgery.I am NOT risking that again!
I have had the Covid vaccine - either Pfizer or Moderna - and the 'flu vaccine at the same time 3 times now, ( two pre-surgery and one post-surgery), most recently 3 days ago, with no ill effects other than a little tiredness and a sore arm.
I think a lot of the AF caused is through stress, worrying unnecessarily about the vaccine.
Be more worried about the virus!
I had the virus too. a month after covid booster last year, i have had worse bad colds than that, i though will take my chances now, at 77, the Covid booster has made my AF worse twice now, and dont want it a third time., AF is a very unpleasant thing and it can be life threatening aswell as Covid.
I always get worried when I hear people say that Covid is no worse than a cold.It is known that the severity of Covid symptoms at the time of infection - even an absence of symptoms - are not in any way indicative of the extent of the serious internal effects on the brain, heart, lungs, circulatory system and other organs that are happening inside, increasing the risk of stroke and heart attack. This has been reported and confirmed in numerous research studies.
The vaccination may cause AF flare-ups, but the vaccine does not cause lasting damage to the body as the Covid virus does.
I am only 55, and work in a very high-exposure environment, so I am not taking any chances.
I had infrequent AFib, well-controlled by a low dose of drugs. Covid bumped me to every other day ( or sometimes consecutive days for 8-10hrs) that drugs did not touch at all.
After my surgery, I want to stay Covid and drug and AF free, so vaccines and KN95 mask for me.
Each to their own, though.
Unfortunately for some people the vaccine does cause severe and lasting damage to the body. The reason for this is that the damaging part of the virus is the spike protein and this is the antigen that was chosen for the vaccine. So when you are vaccinated your body is turned into a manufacturing plant for spike protein. When the vaccine was developed it was not known how long this production of spike protein would go on for in individuals and indeed they discovered that for some individuals it continued for weeks or even months- ie longer than would be the case for a natural infection. They still do not know why this happens or worse how to stop it.
You are mistaken in thinking the vaccines will prevent you from catching covid. Transmission was never tested in the clinical trials and it was known as early as summer 2021 that the vaccinated were catching covid. The strains used in the vaccines are continually playing catch up with the strains that are circulating. You would do better to improve your immunity to all respiratory infections by ensuring you have a high level of vitamin D.
Your post is utterly scientifically factually bereft. You don't understand infection and vaccination, nor have you read and understood the scientific literature on Covid.
So explain how the mRNA vaccine platform works then that is different from what I have said. As for not having read the scientific literature it was in the original Pfizer submission to the European Medicines Agency for emergency authorisation that they revealed that some people were making spike protein not for thr the 3/4 days that had been theoretically advanced but for as long as 8 weeks. There have been subsequent studies that have shown some people make it for even longer. Instead of making an ad hominem attack what exactly have I said that is not true? The data from Israel and the US showed in summer 2021 that vaccinated people were catching covid. The then head of the CDC Walensky and Fauci are on record as saying that there had been what they called " breakthrough infections". Watch the videos. Were they lying? Oh perhaps they were deep fakes.
I have had five jabs so far. Never affected my afib. Last one was actually when I was off my medication ( I was told to try PIP ). None of them gave me afib. I plan on getting a booster next week, so if it does, I surely will let you know. The only thing that seems to give me afib is stress. Perhaps the thought of getting it, is what actually gave it to you. Long ago my GP told me, "when you get them, think about something else". You know, that has always worked for me.
There is no question that the mRNA jabs can cause cardiac symptoms, including myocarditis, pericarditis and arrhythmias. Even Pfizer's own "Report 5" issued in March 24 (but only recently revealed via a FOI request) shows this. The numbers are small, but how small?The problem is that discussion on whether the jab is more or less risky than catching Covid has become so polarised that it's now virtually impossible to find a full, true and balanced picture (and I've been trying hard!)
This leads me to my principle comment on mRNA, which is that we do know a lot more than we did in early 2021 and in my view we should be stratifying who takes the jab, on a personalised basis and not simply blanket jab everyone. For example, the risk of youngsters having a bad outcome of C19 is very small yet teenage males are at a clear risk of the myo/pericarditises from the jab. The UK gov does now stratify to over 65's and a couple of other categories, whereas the US is still saying everyone over 6 months (I think).
In your case, you've now had two clear reactions and I'd personally be very wary of having further ones. To help a decision for your particular situation, search the web for a UK Gov publication, "Appendix A: estimating the number needed to vaccinate to prevent a COVID-19 hospitalisation in autumn 2024 in England. Published 2 August 2024".
This page gives NNV (Number Needed to Vaccinate) for Covid outcomes via tables of the number of people who would need to be vaccinated in order to stop one case of e.g. hospitalisation, for people with no comorbidity risk, immune suppressed, etc. These numbers are now pretty high for hospitalisation, 50,000 (for age 65) up to 100,000+ for the younger ages. The reciprocal of NNV is the percentage absolute risk reduction (benefit) of getting jabbed. e.g. if the NNV is 50,000, 1/50000 = 0.00002 = 0.002% benefit. So if the risk of getting Covid is say 1%, by being jabbed the NNV says that reduces your risk to 1% - 0.002% = 0.998%. These risk levels/benefit figures are why I am not personally having another mRNA jab.
As I say, these are official UK Government figures, established independently.
Hope this helps
Well said Cliff. I just resorted to my common sense when these jabs were first pushed... if you have a known issue (ie PAF) don't aggravate it. I remain grateful to those who posted early on that it can cause AF.
Do you think one's body eventually recovers from taking the Covid vaccination? Thanks.
Well done for explaining the statistics! I’m with secondtry, if you had a reaction why poke the beast again, mind you I had 6 before I learned! Not had anything since Nov 2022 now and no intention of having another.
I have serious concerns about any of the mRNA vaccines.
Disagree with the statement, "the risk of youngsters having a bad outcome of C19 is very small" . If you mean do they die, it is true that they do not usually die.If you mean that they do not have bad long-term outcomes, that is false, or in most cases as yet unknown.
Covid has been described by doctors and researchers as a "health time-bomb", not just for children, but for us all.
Young children are the most delayed because they may appear to have a low-grade infection or be asymptomatic and perfectly fine, but the damage internally to their organs and systems is done.
The feeling is that the full extent of the effects of Covid on children in particular will not be known for several years, or even decades.
The young have a much reduced Case Fatality Rate, which is highly age-related. I'm not aware of any figures at all on e.g. long covid in children. I'd be interested to see any research.
Yes, as I stated, the young rarely die, but we already know that they are affected more by long Covid, and their issues are expected to increase with age, as do all of our health issues.Again, as I already commented, there can be no long term research because it has only been 3 years.
There are studies currently tracking people's reactions to both vaccine and Covid infection, the results of which will not be clear for many years - perhaps not until these youth reach their 40s, 50s or 60s.
I had a dig around the literature and yes, it appears children are not immune at all to long Covid etc, so thanks for the correction. I couldn't find anything on whether mRNA jabs help or hinder in children, and as we (except for the US) haven't been jabbing children I suspect that data will be hard to find. I totally agree that the long-term outcome of both C19 and the mRNA products will not be known for some time. Let us hope the scientific community comes together to stop the infighting and revert to some proper science, and stop calling anyone with a genuine concern "antivax". With the huge commercial interests of drugs companies and their funding of the national regulatory authorities, I think that may also be a long wait, sadly.
I agree we all have a decision to make. unfortunately not a lot was known in the beginning but the vaccine was a new kind and rushed right there were 2 red flags for me. As the virus has mutated it has gotten weaker but still nothing to fool with. I too knew it was not for me and refused but here in the U.S. it was pushed on a lot of people and to keep their jobs especially. Even on our airline pilots who are never to take experimental prescriptions. That never made sense to me. I took a lot of flack for refusing, especially from my local politicians so guess what? they will not get my vote next time around.
I was reticent at first, but I sure did not want to come down with Covid. ( I actually did, a few months after getting my first shot ) I most definitely do not want it again. I came down with it three weeks before Christmas 2020. Although I did not have it bad, I felt miserable all through the Holidays. Then I lost my sense of taste and smell. That really ruined it for me. Since then I have had four boosters, without any terrible side effects other than feeling lousy for a day, following it. That simply means it's working!
once you have a virus you can't get it again, that is what I was taught. since I had it I didn't need a vaccine, but yes you can get other strains of it. I am not going to put anything into my body that could trigger known heart issues, but we all that choice to make.
Yes one can get Covid more than once, i had it just once, but a friend had it twice in the same period of time.
Yes, just like the cold but it is a different strain so same with the flu they don't know which strain and how it will mutate.
Absolutely! Within a few days of taking my booster shot I had the first breatkthrough AF in four years since my previous ablation (this was back in 2021).
I was forced by my (big) company to get vaxxed or get out. I reluctantly complied and the AF with the booster was the last straw for me. With the previous two doses, I had massive nervous system problems with my legs and my lower back and got sick frequently and even got Covid (thought I would die, it was the worst sickness in my life). Before the covid shots I had never gotten covid.... food for thought.
I also had blood clots in my lungs that the emergency department quietly HID from my discharge report. When politics invade healthcare, it all goes to shit.
Since then, I have flatly refused any further covid shots. I have never had any negative reaction to any vaccines in my entire life previously, not even mild effects.
Hope this helps!
A sorry tale. Hope you have fully recovered.
Yet there's a discussion never had, which is not vax vs. no vax but mRNA vs. a conventional vaccine.
mRNA protection has proven to be short lived (a few months at best) and narrowly based - a shot against one strain is way less effective against newer strains and there are now many studies showing the more shots you get, the less effective they are at protecting you. Search a paper by Shrestha from 2023 testing the bivalent vaccine, for both these latter facts.
Natural immunity from catching C19 and recovering, or (more than likely) a conventional vaccine, is far better. My wife and I are sure we caught C19 in Nov 2019, before it was a thing, due to a friend of ours commuting to China at that time. He passed it to his wife, she passed it to the whole keep fit class my wife attends, and she passed it to me. Took everyone months to get over it, and we had all the symptoms subsequently listed for C19. We have not caught C19 since, though we did have 2 x AZs, 1xPfizer and 1xModerna (none since). A case study of only n=2, but this result has been shown elsewhere.
The problem is, anti-mRNA (which I am) is being cast as anti-vax (which I am not, at least for the old tried and proven conventional true vaccines.) The reason for this is not hard to fathom, since the drug companies are now using the C19 mRNA trojan horse to roll out new mRNA products left right and centre, and even self-replicating mRNA products. What could possibly go wrong?
The mRNA products have hit trust in vaccination badly, but to be honest it's probably not a bad thing for people to be much more demanding of proper information and informed consent. I shall not be having any more mRNA products.
My nephew experienced blot clots also, over a lot of his body. Several needed surgery, he never had Covid but did get the vaccine. Makes one wonder.
I had 3 Pfizer vaccines and they all triggered arrhythmias and my electrophysiologist said not to have any more. In Australia we also had Novovax vaccines so I had two of those and was fine. They are no longer available though, only Pfizer and Moderna so I won’t be having any more vaccines. I ended up with Covid in March and was fine.
My cardiologist said that if you’re prone to arrhythmias, the vaccine can bring them out.
As with everything, it’s a risk equation. The risk of COVID and what that might mean for you versus the risk of setting off your arrhythmias with the vaccine. Will COVID make you more unwell than AF?
It’s unlikely you’ll get pericarditis through the vaccine but the risk of getting it from COVID is a little higher. How would you be if you had pericarditis on top of AF?
All these things should be discussed with your doctor. I’ve chosen not to be vaccinated this season because of my reactions but will probably get vaccinated next season. I’ve discussed this with both my GP and cardiologist and we’re all happy with that plan for the interim. I’m in the NOVID club still so I am unsure what will happen when and if I do get COVID.
The problem is Long Covid can be worse than AFib.I won't take the chance.
And I wonder why your specialists agree with your plan.
Why wouldn’t they agree? My health care is a collaboration between my doctors and me. I rely on their expertise, but I also actively participate in the decisions we make. Every choice comes down to a balance of risks, and everyone’s equation is different based on personal health factors. I feel fortunate to have a team that respects my input as we work together on what’s best for me.
Nothing wrong with collaboration and balancing risk factors. Just wondering how you would feel if you get a serious Covid infection.
Really!? 😆
I appreciate your concern, but I’ve made this decision with the support of my doctors, who are familiar with my health history and understand my specific risks.
I’ve had five COVID vaccinations and am very supportive of vaccination in general, as they are crucial for public health. However, I also know that individual circumstances sometimes require a different approach. For some, following the standard vax regime may not be possible due to individual health reasons, and that’s why these decisions are best made with medical professionals - not the internet.
Your black and white thoughts are so limiting - you need to understand that. There ARE legitimate and sensible reasons why some people aren’t vaccinated regularly or even at all. I’m taking a break this season and have not been vaccinated. My doctors and I will review again next year.
The vaccination will not prevent a covid infection and some people get serious infections despite being vaccinated- even die.
If taken correctly, the Covid vaccines are meant to prevent hospitalization for those without comorbidities.I haven't missed a booster (haven't had the recent one yet) but still have had a mild case of Covid twice.
Both times, I was negligent about masking in a gathering.
I will now be more diligent masking in gatherings.
The bottom line is getting Covid is difficult to prevent.
But reducing the intensity and preventing hospitalization is working.
What do you mean " if taken correctly"? They are not pills. They are one off jabs that you either have or don't have. How can you take them incorrectly. There is lots of statistical evidence now coming out that they don't work to prevent anything . See the work of Prof Norman Fenton.
There is a school of thought re.’not taken correctly’ re jabs that is that the needle goes into the arm and not aspirated ( ie no attempt made to draw up the syringe to check for blood ie hit a blood vessel). Aspiration used to be the norm until just a few years ago ( think of all those volunteers trained to give Covid jabs), the result being that a higher % are now being administered into a blood vessel and contents very quickly sent to organs and react in very different way to vax slowly entering body thru muscle!
Interesting concept which I’d never heard of before. In Australia, only nurses or doctors gave the vaccine. We didn’t have volunteers trained to give them I’m sure.
That is in itself interesting…were so many Australians believed to have Covid vax problems as say Uk? My son, who is a dr.here was against the vaccine given to young healthy folks…not helped by his best friend a surgeon getting a stroke just after his vax!
No, I’d imagine just different needs and policies.
I always thought that strange, that here in the US as well, it wasn't doctors or nurses giving the vaccines. None of the doctors offices treated any one with covid. They had to go straight to the hospital. They were turned away in some cases being told come back if it gets worse. so strange.
It's a mystery but it appears that ‘getting it’ is difficult for me. I’ve never had it despite not wearing masks when travelling internationally (this year I even travelled to China) and despite not isolating from my husband on the two occasions he’s had it - one which was in the very early days when it was apparently very easy to transfer. He only had it lightly both times and, mind you, has had an ablation for AF just on 2 years ago and is regularly vaccinated on top and it doesn’t set off anything for him. As I said earlier, each of us is very different and we all make our own personal decisions based on what is best for us.
Yes! Had my first ever AF attack two hours after receiving my first Astra Zeneca jab. Problems after second & third jab too….. no more for me! I feel I’ve damaged my heart a little more with every covid jab. Have never had an AF episode after any other vaccine.
My thoughts are that it is the flu-like symptoms post jab that places stress on your body that would trigger the AF. Just another excuse for the beast in our chest to go for a gallop.
I would rather a bout of AF any day than risk the alternative.
The jabs never had any effect on my AF. Now i am in permanent it likely wouldn't but even when I was in NSR after successful Cardioversions having an injection never put me back into AF
Cautionary Tale....
My husband (86) went..alone ...for a flu jab. The nurse asked him if he wanted the Covid booster...he said he would. He started coughing constantly. Two days later he collapsed. We had the out of hours doctors...sent him into hospital. He was in for nearly two weeks. He is now home struggling to get about, his ribs still very painful from the now ceased coughing.
He had a heart attack 20 years ago but this episode doesn't seem to have affected that.
His discharge letter states he had a fall. He did not have a fall...he collapsed twice losing all his bodily fluids in the process. Thankfully we have good neighbours who twice got him off the bathroom floor and into bed...before hospitalisation.
I myself am left with asthma for life following an early Covid jab followed by two A and E visits as I was unable to breathe.
I will never have another vaccine. I am very fearful of being in a position where I am unable to control that.
As far as I can tell my own AF has not been affected in any way by any of this.
I deeply regret not going with him for the jab...I woud never have allowed him to have the two together...and did not want him to have the Covid booster at all.
Had flu jab a month ago and covid booster (moderna) two weeks ago. Pleased to say, nothing adverse to report on either.
last year it caused be to have myocarditis, this year consultant said no to the jab, I won’t be having it again!
I have permanent, though asymptomatic, AF. I have had every covid jab and every flu jab offered, always at the same time in different arms. I have only suffered a little soreness in the area of the flu jab, but no soreness in the covid jab arm.
The last time I had a reaction to any medication it was to a beta blocker which gave me urticaria for 4 years, and caused exacerbation of asthma, requiring ambulance admission to hospital.
There is no standard human body, and so we can react differently to medication.
I was very ill for 3 weeks following my 3rd jab. Modern. I caught covid some months later, it was very mild in comparison. I will not have any more vaccines in the future.
Thank you, it is such a difficult decision, i too caught Covid and always have had my boosters, but i was very apprehensive this time of having Covid jab, as had bad AF after last one, and never had any heart issues at all until we all got the first jabs, but everyone at Vax station ad GPs say no its fine and no proof it causes anything like this. so i had it 2 weeks apart from flu one, and now 3 days later, my heart is going irregular during the day not quite into AF but irregular, this never happens before, i dont need equipment to prove this, i feel it in chest and back. All i am hoping is that this does ease and that i dont go into permanent. Benefit of hindsight, many have no effects, but a good deal of AF suffers do.
My story is the complete opposite from yours PopePaul, I’m a 67 and have had Proximal AF for about 5 years that has been well controlled with Flec and Bisop. I had my vaccine round about Oct 2023 and in August 2024 caught C19. What I remember of the vaccine was my arms were a bit sore for a day or so. My C19 was a lot worse than that, I was pretty ill for about 10 days and my AF would kick in once a week, in fact one time I thought I was having a heart attack and ended up in A&E, in the end it was a false alarm. I cannot go up any sort of gradient or AF will start. It’s getting better as I have not had a AF event for nearly 2 weeks. Before C19 I was climbing hills in Scotland, I’m holding off on hillwalking until I know how my AF will react.
My main point is everybody is different and our risk with C19 with AF is so individual, I’m due my vaccine next month and at the moment I’m still inclined to take it.
yes I didn’t have the jab this time as the last twice I was ill with my afib for 5-6 weeks. Went into permanent afib. My gp said miss it this time as it was undecided as to whether it would be if use anyway as strain had changed
I had both flu and sixth Covid shot about 10 days ago in same arm. Fortunately I have never had a bad reaction, no sore arm, and has never triggered A fib. I have periodic short-term AF although seems to be getting less often the last few years and none in the last 10-days after my double shot. I am age 78.
Some folks seem to have a bad reaction as reported here. But bodies are very complicated and some folks get reactions to even such things as aspirin etc. I think the stats show the percentage of bad Covid vaccine is very low. But obviously some folks here have not been as lucky as me.
Yes you seem to be one of the lucky one to date. my AF is intemittent aswell, but no question, i have had bad reaction, its day 3 now from jab, and palpitations on and off, which i dont get usually, all i hope is, as with others like myself, it can turn to permanent AF. Af in general never gets better but in time leads to the next level, so i am not going to have Covid jab again as enough to worry over just by having Afib. i am 77, never had any thing wrong with my heart until Covid jabs, i got Covid 2 years ago even with the jabs, gave it to husband who was very ill with it. think he has now got long covid. Now they are pushing a third jab, defo not hving that one. Take my chances from now on, figure had a good innings anyway.
I got Afib after my first covid but not after the following three. I also got afib once after a flu jab but none of the other 8-9 times!! I do not have the combined jab bit I do still get the others using the logic that if a tiny dose of vaccine can cause problems just think what a full blown covid infection can do. Hope you get through it ok
This is a false logic. The mRNA jabs cause your body to become a spike protein producing plant . Some individuals produce the spike protein for a few days but others can produce it for longer weeks or even months . This could be longer than for a natural infection. It is the spike proein that is the most dangerous part of the virus .
I didn't get AF but ended up in hospital for 4 days with a really bad arrhythmia. It started within hours of the booster. Haven't had one since because the hospital said it was 99% certain the booster caused it
That Q is outside my pay scale 🤔😁. As we know, everyone is different, however I understand there are likely to be continuing health issues hence why Dr Peter McCullough has developed a protocol, which is being fine tuned with experience and for each individual, as not one size fits allcomers.
I had no problem at all.
Many do not, but this thread is mainly showing how many actually do.
Yes, the number of anecdotal reports of problems is so much higher than anything I've ever heard of pre-mRNA, and I know several local folk who have had bad reactions - often in people who were previously very fit and active (and therefore routinely placed demands on their hearts). The problem is that all the worldwide medicines regulatory authorities are to a very large % funded by the industry, including our UK MHRA, so even the studies and advice suggesting no problem are untrustworthy. (Doctors are also being struck off for even questioning the veracity of the "safe and effective" mantra.) The "anti" science is similarly full of poor studies, but if you navigate a path between these two extremes of information and get to well constructed studies, you can get closer to a balanced truth.
I had both injections at the same appointment about a month ago.
I haven’t had any adverse reactions or an AFib episode since.
We are all different.
Good Morning, I will not ever have another Covid jab. My health condition could be attributed to the jabs we received. So am ultra cautious.
We can all only go by personal experience, i have never been an anti vaxxer, they are very necessary like with MMR etc for children, all i know now is i have PAF irregular episodes, but the last 2 boosters within 4 hours or so, i have gone into awful AF lasting for over an hour even though i have the PIP pills. and this time, for 3 days following jab, i am aware of palpitations, something i dont even get with my AF. I dont get any of this with the flu jab. and as for the SRV or whatever they are calling the third vacc this year, no defo not having that, at my age 77 now, i think i am taking my chances of Covid, i have had all the jabs so far and actually had Covid too, maybe some anti bodies build up hopefully. i think my heart now has to come first.
I think it is really difficult. Like you I haven’t been an anti Vaxxer and got the jabs for the greater good. However, I really don’t think the government was as transparent as they needed to be to give people the chance of an informed decision. When I was off work earlier in the year I really researched about the vaccines from medical papers and the amount of research been carried out as to the efficiency of the jabs really surprised me in the sense that this is been carried out following mass rollout of the jabs. I do hope you are better soon.
Did your government force you? I highly doubt that they did. It's always up to the individual whether they fear the disease, or the preventative more.
Our government at the time gave us little option. Yes a gun was not held to our heads however it was impossible to see your relatives or go on holiday unless you were vaccinated. Therefore I do feel that we were coerced to a degree o be vaccinated.
Oh gee! Your inconvenience should be more important than the health of all. You would fit very well in Donald Trumps world!
I am sorry you feel like that. However, I have been told that my medical issues could be related to the inoculations we received.
I have never had AF come on after any vaccines; flu, covid or shingles.
Well I replied awhile ago, about my own experience. Just an update. I had my sixth Covid Jab on Thursday. NO side effects whatsoever, other than the next day aches that I expected. I had no afib, nor any other ectopics. I even spent the afternoon shopping!
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