Warning -Problem after booster

[Sandyc2705]

I had my booster yesterday lunchtime and felt fine apart from a sore arm. I was in te shower this morning when I suddenly felt nauseous - the next thing I remembered was waking up on the floor of the shower

I have never fainted before in my life. Needless to say I was then in AF.

Pill in the pocket taken and now resting

I had covid in January and the infection sent me into AF then - I have only had one episode since until today

Everyone know with AF have been fine with booster but perhaps it was too much for my immune system

Sandy

[BobD Volunteer]

Sorry to read that Sandy but as you say quite unusual.

[meadfoot]

Hope you feel better very soon. Take care, rest plenty please.

[CDreamer]

Hope you feel better soon. I’m stil recuperating from COVID & had some of the worst AF I’ve ever had with it which landed me in hospital so have waited 35 days before booster which is now next weekend. Not looking forward to any further set backs.

I posted an interesting article on the AA website newsletter about 10 days ago which explains just how COVID mimics Dysautomnia - hence the fainting, AF etc. I’m sort of been led to expect some reaction so blanking everything out so I can take precautions & rest for 48 hours later.

Hoping for the best & preparing for the worst. Evidently you are more likely to react to the booster if you’ve already had COVID.

I’m postponing the Flu jab until a few weeks later.

[Elli86 in reply to CDreamer]

Hi cdreamer.

Just put of curiosity, what made you go for the booster if you’ve already had Covid so therefore will have the natural antibodies to fight it if your severely unlucky and get it again?

Ive had both jabs myself but am debating whether I want the booster just yet as I’m still recovering from ablation and don’t want to risk going into af again. My heart was fine with both jabs first time round even though I had a horrible reaction for 2 days with first jab, bad flu like symptoms. Second jab I wouldn’t have even known I had it. Don’t think it’s worth the risk right now though as, like I say I don’t want to risk going into af at the minute.

Gonna be a tough choice either way.

[kalgs in reply to Elli86]

Should still have the booster regardless of having Covid in the pass

[Elli86 in reply to kalgs]

Not sure how you can say that kalgs. If you’ve had covid and have antibodies to fight it next time then I wouldn’t bother with a booster.

[kalgs in reply to Elli86]

Not me the experts .

[Elli86 in reply to kalgs]

Again not sure how you can say that when none of the “experts” agree. It depends which experts you listen too

[kalgs in reply to Elli86]

A person may have tested positive for antibodies at one time, but then have a negative test result later as antibody levels may drop naturally over time.

At the moment we do not know what this means for protection against getting COVID-19 – this is one of the many things the survey is trying to find out. Early studies in healthcare workers suggest that people will get some protection against COVID-19 infection if they have increased their antibodies but are still below the “positive” level, but we don’t yet know exactly by how much. We also don’t know whether dropping antibody levels increase the risk of getting COVID-19

[kalgs in reply to Elli86]

Advise anyone who is eligible for the booster to ask their medical professional. Not take advice off any forum or social media. I’m giving Covid boosters . Many individuals have had Covid during the last year is so. Some have had the virus twice.

Ask your medical professional. Whoever follows this debate. Don’t put yourself at risk.

[Elli86 in reply to kalgs]

Which debate are you referring to kalgs? There’s no debate. I’m all for the vaccine and booster. I’ve had both jabs and will more than likely be getting the booster. However it is a personal choice for everyone as I said. People should be entitled to make their own minds up after being informed of the facts.

Also if I had definitely had covid then I wouldn’t be bothering with a booster and probably wouldn’t have bothered with the vaccines. That’s just the honest truth. I honestly cannot see what difference it would make when you’ve already caught and survived the virus to then be injected with more. Doesn’t make sense to me and the experts can’t agree either.

[kalgs in reply to Elli86]

That’s my point . It’s a personal choice . But people need professional medical advice . Because having had Covid does not protect.

Leave it here it’s a finished debate

[Elli86 in reply to kalgs]

It doesn’t make you immune no but it definitely gives your immune system more protection to fight the virus in future, so, sorry but that’s a ridiculous statement

[kalgs in reply to Elli86]

Same point from me . If you are due a booster speak to your medical professional. Even if you’ve had Covid . You will be advised to have the booster jab in most situations.

[Buffafly in reply to Elli86]

If you get Norovirus the protection only lasts about 6 weeks, I’ve been told. Not all viruses act the same.

[ken280 in reply to Elli86]

they are saying we that have had shots that are losing power to fight after 5-6mos they didn't know from the beginning just how long the vaccine will hold a high level now is not the time to stop getting the best help in fighting these C-19 but the variants.New up beat is that moderna fight the variants and can be mixed safely,I get my 3 shot next Saturday on the 13th and will buy a lottery ticket to boot! I did have two pfizer but have a choice between the two, I had a side effect with Pfizer,seems every time I walk by a woman washroom I got frisky and wanted to go inside? I think the happy days are back. Then people asked what inside the Pfizer vaccine,I think they mixed it will the little blue.LOL

[Elli86 in reply to ken280]

🤣🤣🤣 that’s hilarious! Not a bad side effect to get! Might have to try it myself now! Probably have quite a queue full of men if that news ever gets out 🤣🤣🤣

[CDreamer in reply to Elli86]

Not a tough choice in my opinion as I am immune suppressed and didn’t develop antibodies with the first 2 shots but have done quite a lot of reading and attended a seminar on the subject were the consensus of opinion was that having a shot following COVID would give the very best chance of giving some defence against further infection - which for me would be very risky.

I have just had results from the antibody test following COVID which showed I have now developed some antibodies but gather they will not last for more than a few weeks so I am hopeful that the booster will give me some protection for 6-12 months but of course still so many unknown, unknowns that we can’t be sure of anything.

[Elli86 in reply to CDreamer]

Oh right fair enough. It’s a personal choice obviously. If your immune suppressed then makes sense. I just wouldn’t bother personally if I knew I’d definitely already had covid but again it’s a personal choice for everyone.

My mother is immune suppressed and they wouldn’t let her have the vaccine apparently 🤔 curious as to how you ended up with it? Or maybe my mum has other complications that made the doc make that decision?

[CDreamer in reply to Elli86]

So many issues to consider & depends upon meds you are taking and for what so it’s very individual. I know if you are taking biologicals you need 6 weeks clear of last infusion.

[Elli86 in reply to CDreamer]

Oh right ok fair enough 👍 nothing is straightforward is it 🙄

[jimlad2 in reply to Elli86]

All the research I've read (and there's a lot of it out there) indicates that covid induced antibodies have a limited life, which is why some people get re-infected. New variants, such as Delta don't help either.

[Auriculaire in reply to jimlad2]

Covid induced antibodies have a longer life than those induced by vaccination. At the moment it is reckoned that the vaccine induced protection starts to wane after 4/5 months but that the protection from a natural infection lasts on average 16 months. The antibodies are not that important anyway. It is B and T cell memory that counts as this memory springs into action and makes new antibodies on encountering a new infection.

[jimlad2 in reply to Auriculaire]

That would appear to be the case, Auriculaire, and the average figure you cite is the same as the sources I looked at, but I didn't want to belabour the details, esp when new variants might render those results less reliable/relevant. The 16 months is an average and so skipping the booster doesn't make a lot of sense to me, as any of us might not have 16 months worth at the ready if we're reinfected. As for B and T cells, again, you're right: they would certainly appear to have a role to play, but in those who succumbed to serious illness and death their contribution would appear to have been minimal, and more of us might fall into those unfortunate categories on first, or reinfection. We don't, as a rule, know how effective they are going to be in our particular case, and therefore, again, opting for the booster seems like the sensible route to me. Just my tuppenceworth. Perhaps I tend to err on the side of caution. Others may see it all differently.

[Auriculaire in reply to jimlad2]

You are right. There are just too many unknowns at the moment especially at the individual level . Here in France people who had had confirmed covid were only given one dose of the vaccine and were advised to wait 3/4:months after their infection before having it. The health authorities here considered that this approach would provide sufficient protection whilst protecting them from too many side effects.. This is quite at variance with the policy in the UK. The most convincing figures I have seen were those released by the Israeli health authorities in the summer when it became evident that their early vaccination program was faltering before the spread of Delta. From the surveys they did they reported only 1% of people who had been infected with the original Wuhan strain or the more transmissable Alpha variant became reinfected with the Delta variant. This was way below the percentage who had just had the Pfizer vaccine ( can't remember the figure offhand).

[CDreamer in reply to jimlad2]

I don’t know if you caught it but a recent research study looking at reasons why younger people with no co-morbidities and who were otherwise healthy became seriously ill or died from COVID showed a genetic component which helped rather than hindered the virus replicate - I can’t remember the details but it had something to do with interfering with B cell I think???

I’ll see if I can find it again.

[Elli86 in reply to jimlad2]

Let’s face it most things have a limited life and no one knows for sure how long either will last. I’ve read details from both sides from supposed experts and they contradict each other on various details. Seems like no one knows so as I’ve said a few times it’s a personal choice and everyone’s entitled to make their own.

[Sandyc2705 in reply to Elli86]

I went for the booster because I had Covid in January and I thought any protection from catching it again might have waned

[Elli86 in reply to Sandyc2705]

That’s fair enough. As I’ve said it’s a personal choice and everyone’s entitled to make their own. I would have thought that the antibodies in your system from catching covid would stick around for a lot longer than the vaccine? Don’t know that for sure but I’m not sure anyone knows much about this virus either way. It’s all guess work and each individual has to make their own choice about which guess sounds more plausible to them 🤣

[Auriculaire in reply to Elli86]

They do. But more importantly antibodies from a natural infection are against all the components of the virus and not just the spike protein . So if you get Delta you will make antibodies against the mutated spike protein as well as the membrane and nuclear capsid. The jabs are formulated against the original Wuhan spike protein - long superceded by variants.

[Dodie117 in reply to Sandyc2705]

My reading says the strongest immune response is from those who had covid and a vaccine.

[Jenmay in reply to Elli86]

They say the vaccine works for 6 months then needs a booster. Covid doesn’t make you immune

[Elli86 in reply to Jenmay]

Doesn’t make you immune no and I didn’t say it did but it gives you the best chance of fighting it off again next time if your unlucky to get it twice. If I had to make a choice between getting antibodies through catching mild covid or having the vaccine id take the covid personally and then wouldn’t bother with a vaccine but that’s my choice. Your always going to get better and stronger antibodies from the virus itself than from a man made vaccine in my opinion. I’ve had both vaccines though and will eventually have booster in just not sure I want it right now as I’d it’s want to risk setting my heart off until I’m well recovered from ablation.

[Dodie117 in reply to Jenmay]

It does.

[CDreamer]

heartrhythmalliance.org/sta...

The symptoms of long COVID can be like those of PoTS. Why do you think this is?

[Goosebumps in reply to CDreamer]

Very pertinent article for me. Since having Covid in October I have suffered much more with PoTS. Normally in the morning and it comes in waves, a few days where bending down or standing up fast are a no no.

[Murdy1 in reply to Goosebumps]

Please, what's PoTS again?

[CDreamer in reply to Murdy1]

Postural orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrone - happens when you change posture, especially going from prone to sitting to standing. Can cause you to faint or feel as though you are going to.

[Murdy1 in reply to CDreamer]

Thanks CDreamer, got it.

[Auriculaire in reply to CDreamer]

Very interesting article . Particularly the bit about those who get PoTS after covid sometimes having tendencies towards it before. The advice to be kind to yourself is very important. I often think modern society has totally lost the concept of convalescence. People are expected to spring back from illnesses like rubber bands!

[CDreamer in reply to Auriculaire]

So agree!

[Elli86]

Sorry to hear about your predicament Sandy. Hopefully it was a one off 🤞

I had a bad flu like reaction with my first jab and it came on literally in seconds from feeling absolutely fine to shaking uncontrollably after around 8 hours. Second jab I was absolutely fine. Not sure whether to have booster now 🤔 purely because I’m 12 weeks post ablation and don’t want to risk going into af 😬

[kalgs in reply to Elli86]

I’m8 weeks post ablation I had it .

[Ppiman]

My wife had three days of feeling poorly after her booster this week, whereas I felt fine throughout. My friend has collapsed twice with his AF over the years. I think your faint was, as you say, a combination of the two. Bad luck, but it likely means you have produced a good crop of useful antibodies!

Steve

[Ronnieboy]

I had a Pfizer booster jab Saturday and ,last night,I felt awful to be honest, aches everywhere ,headache (prob due to lack of sleep),but this morning I feel a whole lot better.

[Clarrie]

I had my booster yesterday morning and woke at 2.00 am this morning with flu like symptoms. Not feeling great. Had same reaction when I had my first AZ vaccine.

[belindalore]

We don't actually know all the side effects from these vaccines. Only what we're told. Some people don't report their side effects. So we have to realize that we just don't know everything about the vaccines. I hope you report it to your Dr and that you don't have one of those Drs who tend to roll their eyes when you tell them something. I agree with you that it could have been too much for your immune system. All these shots so close together?? We have to remember people react differently to these shots. Hoping you have no more problems. 🙏

[Brianboru]

Hi SandySorry to hear aout your fainting spell. You could have injured yourself.Too many hard surfaces in the bathroom !

Not had Covid luckily or my booster jab yet and frankly not sure about having it too soon after my flu jab.

I would get checked out if I were you just in case

[sarniacherie]

I had a reaction to my Pfizer booster too. I had AZ for my first 2 jabs and except for a sore arm, I felt fine. The day after my booster I felt nauseous, ached from head to toe, a headache which persisted for a couple of days and exhausted. Thankfully, except for the headache the rest only lasted 24 hours. Better than getting Covid, though. Hope you are ok now. X.

[Will57]

I had my booster on Saturday but all night and yesterday I was extremely unwell feeling a bit better now but it was terrible

[Mike-tyson]

Felt dizzy and rotten for three days after booster and flue jab. But feel better today three days later. 😊😊