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Flecainide sure is a dangerous drug :)

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I've always had to swallow my Flecainide tablet with great care but last night I wasn't careful and the 100mg tab got stuck high in my throat. Searing pain, choking - water, solid nibbles even butter wouldn't shift it. Eventually, it degraded enough that I could get it out.

The tablet is medium-sized, rough and degrades with moisture contact which makes it cling like a limpet. It left me with hours of pain, sipping water and occasionally olive oil. Oh, for a buffered tablet or a capsule!

Dipped this morning's tablet in honey.

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BobD profile image
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That is so bad Finvola. I got a Mg tablet stuck the other day and ended up having to cough it up.

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Finvola in reply toBobD

Horrible and no matter how one keeps 'calm', panic is still there.

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mrgwair567 in reply toFinvola

Not a nice experience! Hope you’re ok now.

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Finvola in reply tomrgwair567

Thank you - fine, but wiser I hope.

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Lacarno in reply toBobD

I read some where that the best way to take tabs was to drink from a bottle it works to you always put your head back and they go straight down give it a try hope it works for you to .

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doodle68

Hi Finvola :-) that sounds horrible..

I got a magnesium capsule stuck in my throat last week and that was bad enough and taught me a lesson, not to swallow a handful of meds in one go...

I have still to take my first dose of Flecainide , it's been sitting on my shelf since the end of November waiting for a 'safe' time to take it having been instructed by my GP 'not to take the first dose at a busy time in case I need an Ambulance' . Hopefully that will be very soon now.

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Finvola in reply todoodle68

I have mag tablets which I call my horse tabs - too large to contemplate!

I took my first dose alone and was OK - like you, I picked my time by avoiding a bank holiday - just in case . . . Best wishes with it, should you need it.

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Nanny23 in reply toFinvola

Try using liquid magnesium. It works well for me.

F-M-C-MM profile image
F-M-C-MM in reply todoodle68

Hi Doodle68, I understood that the drug Flecainide should be taken under medical supervision for the first time usually in a hospital setting. Has the GP discussed this possibility with you.

Singwell profile image
Singwell in reply toF-M-C-MM

And doodle68 not as far as I know. It must however be PRESCRIBED by a cardiologist. Mine was prescribed following an EP appointment. I didn't switch meds initially (from bisoprolol) so my GP was aware once I'd made the decision to follow the EPs advice. The 'problem' is that sometimes Flecainide can make your heart race. I think most of us who use it here do so either with a calcium channel blocker or a beta blocker which addresses that aspect of the Flecainide, so it can do it's just b of rhythm control. That's my understanding as a non medical person.

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doodle68 in reply toF-M-C-MM

Hi FM and Singwell 🙂 it's a long story of cancelled appointments due to Covid, then seeing 2 Consultants EPs one privately, one in a clinic , then a private Echocardiograms to finally get a prescription of Flecainide . So yes thank you all possibilities have been discussed and I am aware of the need for BBs and and ECG a week after commencing the medication to check for LGT syndrome . I also have daughter in law nurse practitioner on standby to be here when I take the first dose after lockdown ends.

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wilsond in reply todoodle68

Doodle ...I was told first dose has to be given in hospital in case of problems, were you prescribed by cardio ?Hope you are keeping well xx

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wilsond in reply towilsond

Ah just read further post. Glad you are in safe hands xx

CDreamer profile image
CDreamer

That’s horrible, had similar caused by osophagus spasms. I was advised to take tablets with a viscous liquid - I now take with yogurt or yogurt drink but I guess that’s difficult with Flec.

Hope you feel better soon.

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Finvola in reply toCDreamer

Thank you CD - I was amazed how much it burned my throaat for hours afterwards - the stomach must be a strong organ. I haven't tried yoghurt - I'll give it a go. xx

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P0rtnahapp1e in reply toFinvola

So sorry to hear. That must have been scary. Can you crush them up or do they have to be swallowed whole? I crush my dog’s tablets between two spoons. (No comparison intended!) 😀

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Finvola in reply toP0rtnahapp1e

I find the taste foul PH - I had thought of crushing them and filling empty capsules which I bought - for the dog's worm tabs, which she hates and can smell a mile off. Didn't work with her! I'll try CD's idea of yoghurt - my problem is the roughness of the tab itself - it sticks like glue! The honey worked well this morning too.

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P0rtnahapp1e in reply toCDreamer

Going off on a tangent CD, but I’m curious about your oesophagus spasms.

I occasionally get a horrible sensation when I’m eating, a pain in my throat as though my food is stuck. The closest description is the pain which went through from my back while eating ice cream as a child.

I had an endoscopy but they only found a raw area at the neck of my stomach; nothing further up. I’m thinking now that it might be a spasm like the ones you experience.

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CDreamer in reply toP0rtnahapp1e

It’s very unpleasant. I first had it following a TOE just prior to ablation. I didn’t find out until much later but the anaesthetist couldn’t remove the TOE from my osophagus because it had gone into spasm. The reason it went into spasm was because of a then yet undiagnosed neuromuscular autoimmune condition which causes muscle spasms when a muscle is overly used. It left me with a lot of digestive problems for a long time - which is how I ended up knowing such a lot about it - trial, error, research and joining up the dots - with the help of quite a few doctors! If you look back to my posts around 2014 you will see that posted quite a lot about it because at that time, I was taking Dabigatran as anticoagulant - which also caused a lot of digestive problems for me.

The osophagus is layered and mostly striated muscle and mucous layers and connective tissue so is easily scratched and if damaged, it can become quite a problem.

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P0rtnahapp1e in reply toCDreamer

I’m just realising since reading your post, that I’ve only experienced it since my TOE, and although I had no problem with the procedure it may have brought it on. Interesting. I must say it doesn’t happen often enough to be a problem, but usually happens when I’m really hungry and it makes me nervous to take another bite!!

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CDreamer in reply toP0rtnahapp1e

Just make sure you don’t take dry food & you should be fine.

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Paulbounce

Ouch - sorry to hear that Fin. I'm pleased you are feeling better now.

I always find tilting my head back and a cupful of water with tablets makes sure it goes down.

Paul

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Finvola in reply toPaulbounce

Technique is important, I agree Paul, especially with a rough, dry tab like Flec.

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Paulbounce in reply toFinvola

Sure Fin - I agree. I wouldn't fancy any tablet not going down propery.

Just a thought - maybe break it in half - take that and then the next half right away ? It will still kick in the same way and might help so it doesn't get blocked in your throat.

Paul

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pottypete1

An awful experience for you.

A spoonful of thick natural Yoghurt does the trick for me most times.

Pete

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Finvola in reply topottypete1

Thanks Pete - definitely going to try it.

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jeanjeannie50

That sounds horrible Finvola. Could you ask for 50mg tablets which are a lot smaller and take two?

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pottypete1 in reply tojeanjeannie50

I can only get 50mg tablets.

I have to have Tambacor Flecainide as generics don’t work for me.

The manufacturers discontinued 100mg tablets last year.

Pete

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jeanjeannie50 in reply topottypete1

I've not heard of the make Tambacor Flecainide in the UK. Thought was only in the U.S. I'll only accept Accord Flecainide, because that's the one that works for me. Odd how all these pills that are meant to be the same differ isn't it!

Jean

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pottypete1 in reply tojeanjeannie50

Been taking Tambocor Flecainide for over 30 years 🤭

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pottypete1 in reply tojeanjeannie50

They switched me to generic once and I was back in AF in 3 days.

Maybe a coincidence but I wasn't taking any chances.

Pete

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EngMac in reply tojeanjeannie50

Apparently generics have the same active ingredient but the “soup” they are enclosed in can be different. There are something called “certified”, or something like that, generics that are identical to the authentic drug and are often made by the same manufacturer. They can be slightly more expensive. The “soup” can change the effect of the generic drug.

Finvola profile image
Finvola in reply tojeanjeannie50

Excellent thought Jean, thank you.

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jeanjeannie50 in reply toFinvola

My sister advised me to do the the same as Gilli has suggested i.e. drink some water before you take a tablet, it works!

Gilli54 profile image
Gilli54

Try drinking water as well before you take the tablet. I hate those 100mg as well. I try to take them with a big rush of water. I didn’t find yogurt worked for me and there is the issue of it being milk based. Horrid experience for you. 🙁

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Finvola in reply toGilli54

My normal way was to flush the Flec with loads of water but last night something went wrong and I wasn't concentrating well enough.

Palpman profile image
Palpman

I often got the huge magnesium tablet stuck in my throat but I worked out a solution.

When this happens I reach out grab a beer and down it.

It is called The Heineken Manoeuvre.

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Finvola in reply toPalpman

😅😛 Thank you for a good belly laugh Palpman.

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jeanjeannie50 in reply toPalpman

Love it!!!

opal11uk profile image
opal11uk

Awful, I have this with the hard capsuled Pradaxa and have to eat a dry biscuit afterwards to make sure it goes down. With a lot of drugs they are 'time release' so you can't empty capsules or crush tablets etc., they have to be taken whole and then release slowly in the stomach where I guess the digestive juices take care of the fallout lol.

MagV profile image
MagV

I dab medications that are hard to swallow with a little olive oil and down it goes.

Spangle14 profile image
Spangle14

Sorry to hear that Finvola, soundsike quite an ordeal 😳

I always chew a biscuit before taking any tablet - chew on it til if goes to a pulp, pop the tablet in with the pulp, then swallow.

I don't know if that would work with flecainide, I hope so as I have it as a PIP, just haven't to had take one yet (touch wood!!)

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tunybgur

Don't know why flec tabs are so coarse and sticky, but because they cannot be taken with food we have to develop a process. Mine is to rinse mouth with water, gather saliva in mouth, place tabs in saliva and then quickly slosh it down with a glass of water. Works well for me.

Good luck

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Lilypocket

HiI take a slow release capsule 200 mg of Flecainide. Much easier to swallow and only one capsule a day. However useless if you only take Flecainide as a PIP 😊

I live in France so don't know if they are prescribed where you are?

Take care x

Singwell profile image
Singwell

That's horrible and I know exactly how it feels. Had to throw away an almost full bottle of multi vitamins for that reason. Paul's advice is good and also what I do. I also agree having a swallow of water first - no pill - and practising the tipping the head back technique without the pill is a good strategy. Finally - why not request the 50s which are easy to swallow and I'm a terror with tablets!

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Morzine

Gosh poor you, I take flec and I’ve never given it a second thought, will make sure I gulp plenty of water. That’s sounds quite scary .Recently I made a huge mistake as I had to take antibiotics two of them before the dentist....I didn’t read the packet, but as I was putting the two in my mouth I did think god they’re big..... well as soon as they were in and I gulped some water to swallow thrm they exploded into a huge mass of endless thick froth, which I tried to swallow down and it was awful trying to swallow the froth as it was making more froth........they were of course dissolvable not normal tablets.....moral of this is read the packet.!

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TheProf

I ive in France and take a slow release form of flec that dissolves in the gut. It's a capsule. See if you can get it from your doc. It's easy to take.

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TheProf in reply toTheProf

I think Tambocor XL (the slow release version) is available in the UK - but it is more expensive than the other version...

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Morzine in reply toTheProf

Yes , I’m france, mines the capsule too

KMRobbo profile image
KMRobbo

If you have trouble with the 100mg use 2 x 50 mg instead

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irene75359

How unpleasant for you. I take flecainide as a PiP and the tablet hasn't stuck yet when trying to swallow. However, three years ago I was on a course of ciprofloxacin, and the tablets had to be taken with a full glass of water. Nevertheless one stuck and and I developed esophagitis, it took about 10 days to clear.

I have found the older I get the more I have difficulty swallowing tablets, capsules less so. My magnesium tablets are huge, and I experimented breaking them in half and just crunching them. Not a pleasant taste but not unbearable. That is how I take them now!

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Cha275rL

Never seen these tablets Finvola, so this is probably a very stupid question, but is it something you could break into bits and take?

Finvola profile image
Finvola

Thank you so much to everyone for your excellent suggestions which I have noted. I tried the yoghurt tip last night and this morning and the Flec went down so easily that I didn't feel a thing.

Thomas45 profile image
Thomas45

During my 12 years of taking Flecainide there were a handful of occasions when I took the tablet dry, i.e. without water or any liquid. It had the most revolting taste, and the act of sucking it before swallowing it always numbed my tongue.

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JudyMarieC

I had that happen a couple of times with the 50 mg tablet of Flecainide, which is small. From what I understand, the problem is that it dissolves quickly. Like you, I had hours of burning pain in my throat. As others have mentioned, drinking some water before taking the pill helped me and I haven't had a problem since I've been doing that.

goldey profile image
goldey

I learned a trick about swallowing pills that don't go down easily from one of those health newsletters many years ago. I have to use this trick with my CoQ10 softgels, which are petty fat and always feel like they want to get stuck. Most people throw back their head when they take a pill, thinking that that will help it slide down. But that is the worst thing you can do. What you need to do if a pill doesn't want to go down easily is to LOWER YOUR CHIN all the way. That actually increases the space in your throat, and it should go right down. I first slide the pill all the way back on my tongue with my finger and then immediately take a big swig of water or juice, and then lower my chin as I swallow the pill. I have never had any pills get stuck with this method. .

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goldey

But reading some of these posts reminded me of when I was a little girl. I simply could not swallow pills and it was always a fight with my Mother when I needed one, like an aspirin. She solved this problem by dissolving the pill in a shot glass full of Grape NEHI, which pretty much disguised the taste. Then I downed it in one big gulp, followed by the rest of the Grape pop. . For everything else, like vitamins, etc, she had to buy the liquid kind.

Nanny01 profile image
Nanny01

Sorry this happened to you. Maybe take it in yogurt or oatmeal?

Head forward not back, with water. Well documented on net. Head back opens up the trachea, making inhalation more likely. Bottle method also popular.

wilsond profile image
wilsond

Oh dear hope you are all recovered now.My dad had trouble taking tablets and took them with yoghurt not water. Might help prevent another incident xxx

Camelia23 profile image
Camelia23

Thanks for the info. Glad you're ok. I had some trouble with calcium tabs and had to cut them in half.

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