Hey guys.
I’m curious to see how people are recovering from the vaccine, what lingering after effects they have if any and how this relates to age. I was told the younger you are the more chance there is of suffering a strong immune response and lingering after affects? Not sure how true this is.
Anyone who is not interested in getting the vaccine or is against it for whatever reason need not comment. Thanks 👍
Hi, I am 61 and had my vaccine 3 weeks ago. I had the Pfizer jab and had no immediate reaction and I’ve had no after effects since then. My mum is 82 and had the Astra Zeneca 8 weeks ago and other than nausea on that afternoon she has had no after effects either. Husband is 64 and also had the Astra Zeneca and again no after effects. Sister is 63, she had the Pfizer and like me has had no reaction. 😀😀
Hi diminished. Thanks for response. Do you all live in the same area? Just curious as to why you were given different jabs? I thought it was too do with which area you lived in and which jab was available in that area? Could be wrong though. Wouldn’t be the first time 🤣
Our centre is the Epsom Race Course and they have used both but the punters have no choice......
3 of us live in the North East and one in Lincolnshire. We were all jabbed on different days and I think it's what they have on any given day.
Ok right ok fair enough. Thanks for input
All my family including two healthy sons (see don't waste your vaccine) have been done. I had Pfizer ( old git) the rest had OxfordAZ. Pfizer gave zero problems all Oxford suffered slight mallais for two or three days. I did do a post some time ago analysing the reactions of around 50 people who had posted which seems to confirm these findings.
The reality is that what reaction you have does seem irrelevant to age or general health but is likely more about individual genetics just as is covid itself . For example a couple I know both contracted Covid after being admitted to hospital on the same day but whilst he recovered in about a week she was quite ill for some time. That he subsequently died last Wednesday had more to do with his terminal pancreatic cancer than covid. Explain that one!
Jesus! Sorry to hear that Bob. It’s so hard to say what actually caused a persons demise or illness. The mere fact they had covid or the vaccine etc before they died is not proof in itself of anything. I’d hate to be the person who has to try and decipher all this info. I’m not intelligent or patient enough to even attempt it.
Like you say most of it is going to be down to genetics I feel, the age thing was suggested to be by the nurse who gave me the jab (thanks for that) literally as she was doing it 🙄 basically telling me your definitely going to get sick so enjoy 🤣 she did have a sense of humour though I’ll give her that. It did make sense at the time though as I’m assuming, in general, the younger you are the stronger your immune system will be, therefore the stronger the reaction you may get from any invading source? That can work both ways also though. Who knows? It’s almost impossible to say at the minute.
I'm 66 and had the Oxford 2 weeks ago, felt fairly horrible some hours after and for a couple of days, then ok until day 7 when I had flu like symptoms again for 24 hours. It's definitely unsettled my heart rate as I'm getting noticeable arrhythmias which were well controlled before. My daughter 29 ( she's a cop so got a spare one) no health problems, had the Oxford and she was extremely ill for 48 hours, she's normally very robust and doesn't give in to viruses but she said she has never felt so ill before, she had all the side effects and more, so bad she was passing out !!
I'm unsure about having the 2nd dose.
That’s interesting Bantam. Your the first person I’ve spoken to that seemingly got better and then Ill again 7 days later. 🤔
I’ve had proper flu twice before so I wouldn’t say it’s the worse I’ve ever been but never the less it was pretty bad. Uncontrollably shaking, sweating buckets and wrapped up in bed for a good 8/9 hours and didn’t have a hope in hell of sleeping. Wasn’t great at all. That was the worst of it however I’ve got lingering side effects that I cannot seem to shift as yet. Very strange “cloudy” head seems to be the worst effect but in and out headaches are rather annoying as well. Bouts of nausea also a pain.
The one thing I was expecting and dreading was to go into AF at the same time but it never happened. Something I found very strange as I was convinced the stress would set it off.
I've heard of a few people who had a second reaction days later. I could still be suffering side effects but headaches, fatigue and nausea aren't unusual for me so difficult to know which is causing what !
Maybe she has had covid without knowing? My sister had covid in Oct and had the AZ first jab a couple of weeks ago. She said she felt awful as bad as having had covid. Apparently if you have had covid even asymptomatically you get a bad reaction to the vaccine. Here they are advising those who have had the virus to wait at least 6 months before getting vaccinated.
Possible but being in the Police she has had several tests and nothing detected but who knows 🤷♀️ I have a neighbour who's 66 and she was extremely ill after her vac and she definitely hasn't had covid as she hasn't left her house since all this started.
I too am unsure about the second dose. Had the oxford one and was not at all well and in pain, horrible headache and aching all over plus the temperature for 3 days and after about 7 days was still under the weather and it took about 3 weeks to fully get over it. On the other hand just think if I would have had covid.
I still don't feel right, heartrate is doing silly things and I'm getting spells of dizziness and more of a foggy head than usual, really not much fun !
They do say the second Oxford isn't as bad but dare we risk it ........
I really don’t know about the second jab towards the end of April. Oh I forgot to mention the uncontrollable shaking which I have never had like that before plus loose stools. Have a horrible feeling we will have to have covid vaccines on a yearly basis like the flue cos it keeps getting variants
I'm 76 and had the first AstraZeneca 6 weeks ago. Had a sore arm for several days, slight headache first day after. Then some days later I had swollen neck glands, sore throat, body aches and extreme tiredness. Felt like flu but no fever and lasted about 2 weeks.
Either it was a delayed reaction or I somehow picked up a bug whilst being in almost total isolation. I reported it in the Yellow Card system but will know more in three week's time when the second one is due.
PS Husband is 77 and had no reaction at all to AZ.
Seems like there are a ton of different reactions, some delayed some instant and it does seem so far that age doesn’t look to be a factor 🤔 not exactly a scientific study but interesting none the less
I read a very interesting thing in yesterday's Guardian (I think) that in trials of the vaccine, some people who were given the placebo displayed symptoms! Mind over matter?
Hey ‘E’ It’s me, your good buddy STEWART. I didn’t realise that you are such a young sprogling: you haven’t been ‘long out of school’. I’m a young 71 and had the AZ concoction on Saturday, as previously stated. Up to the present moment I’m feeling quite normal and unaffected by recent procedures, apart from feeling hazy and having slightly quickened HR for a few hours after ‘the harpooning’, which was a doddle. I wasn’t aware that the age of the recipient was a factor. There seems to be so many unknowns about this COVID.
🤣🤣🤣 hello my old friend stew! How art thou? I haven’t been called a sprogling before but it sounds good so I’ll take it 😆👍 I left school in 2002 so it depends what you consider long 🤔 feels like an eternity however.
I’m glad your personal harpooning session went well though mate. Good stuff! And I’d agree there are an ocean of unknowns and no one seems to have the paddle to steer the ship. 🚢 🛳
Gonna call you SPROG from now on. At what age did you develop AF, and what type do you have. I have permanent and it appeared in 2015. I’ve never been a plonky but used to drink a regular amount of spirits at night time. Don’t know if that was a factor. Seem to have drifted back to my old wicked ways but very much reduced quantities. 😇🥃
CHEERS.
🤣 I’ve been called worse mate! I’ll take that!
Started last year so 33. I’ve currently got paroxysmal AF although I have yet another consultation next month to see if it could be PVC that’s all I know currently. The consultation is also to see about an ablation. Haven’t had a drip of alcohol in some years but do miss a pint of blonde beer 🍺 or a glass of red with dinner 🍷 oh well I can do without.
Oh and cheers! Enjoy the booze 🤣👍
Hey SPROG...such a young age‼️. I’ve had no procedures at all, apart from tests and the mandatory meds...rat poison etc. Keep smiling though and you’ll get there. Next time (tonight) that I have a tipple, I’ll think of you...Knowing that, I’m sure that will help your mental well-being. 🍻🍷
It will help me greatly stew! You’ve got a heart of gold! 🤣 make it a scotch straight up on the rocks then please. Miss them as well 😩 🥃
Why not just fill a glass with ice cubes and a touch of Lucozade. Then let your mind run riot. 🤪🥳
If I were going to do that I may as well make it a scotch and a double at that! It’d probably be a damn site healthier 🤣🥃🥃🥃🥃
My problem SPROG, is that I live above an off licence and I’ve found a secret spiral staircase down to aforementioned. Also I’ve got such poor willpower. I think I need therapy, preferably of the liquid variety.
Self medication works wonders for some mate! Or atleast that’s what the drink will tell you 😆
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hi, I had the Oxford AZ on Friday (I’m almost 68) and was on the fence for quite while because of reports of it worsening AF. Given the choice I’d have asked for Pfizer as all my friends who’ve had the Oxford have been quite poorly for a few days after their jabs. However, there was only Oxford on offer so I pulled up those big girls pants (or rather rolled up my sleeve!) and had it. No side effects apart from a mild mid back ache the following afternoon which lasted until bedtime. No heart palpitations thank goodness! My husband had the pfizer a few weeks ago now and was absolutely fine too, he’s 70.
Glad to hear yours went well and that you found your big girl pants 🤣 I too was a bit apprehensive. To be honest if it wasn’t for my heart condition then I probably would not have bothered with the vaccine myself but I thought with the condition it’s just not worth the risk, especially as I’ll be in and out of peoples houses electrical testing when I FINALLY get back to work 😩
Hey Bell...glad to hear that you had no real issues. Do you think it’s possible that when a bigger reaction affects a person, something of significance has taken place. In other words... more good has been done❓
🤞🤞 I like that prognosis and I’m gonna run with it
I honestly don’t know Stewart - one friend vomited for 2 days, most others had headaches and flu symptoms and a couple had high temperatures and shivers - all reacted differently but at the time I reassured them it was a sign their immune system was kicking in.Then I had mine with no after effects - so does that mean my immune system is just shot? 😂😂
Alternatively Bell, it could mean that you’re as strong as an OX. Albeit a gorgeous looking one.
😍 where’s cilla black when you need her
Ahh ...a match maker Ehh. I’m sure the young lady is happily married and can do without an old soak like me. Plus I’m quite content to have no one to huff or please 😂
🤣 easy life mate easy life
Aw - love a bit of banter, but yes, married 47 years now. Definitely get less for murder these days 😂
Strong as an ox eh? Well that’s good to know 😂
Yes but I bet you’re one of those oxen with long sweeping eyelashes and twinkley eyes. Mind you’re right about that sentence of 47 years. You must both have extremely thick skin. My skin was quite a thick gauge and I was only married for 25 years + VAT.
I am 72, I had the 1st Astra Zenica jab a month ago, didn't feel a thing and absolutely no side effects.
In regards to the jab itself I wouldn’t have even known she was doing anything. Chatting away and bang ok your done! Right o! Lovely jubbly! Wasn’t until 20:00 that evening pretty much on the dot that the shaking hit me, it seemed like it was almost instantaneous as well. From nothing to shaking my backside off. Weird
Sorry for that I seem to have been lucky !
Your made of better stuff mate I think
You may feel better about it if some reports turn out to be true. The bigger the reaction the better your immune system and the more protection you get. I hope for your sake that is true, good luck.
Thanks wheezy 🤞
55 here Elli, as you know had the first shot pfizer in Jan, not much apart form sniffles and light headache.Second shot last weds and it hit harder, first day had nausea, then Fri / Sat dizzy spells, few palpitations and exhaustion.
Sat night burning up, face, eyes etc felt hot, and dizzy, slept it off, OK Sunday a little off. Then yesterday mostly OK just headache, today all good 👍..
Think as a few others say it seems to affect everyone different, and these off putting symptoms show good immune response what I've heard, so happy they have now passed but feel good knowing it worked,or so we hope.
Ian.
Cheers Ian. Yeah I’m hoping that the immune response means everything’s in fighting shape ready for any invaders! 💪💪 bring it on!
Either that or 75% of the planet are about to turn into ostriches and emus. Could maybe turn us into x-men 💪 if we get a choice I’m going for wolverine!
Well...ostriches and emus would be a really big improvement on what we have in the world at present. I feel really guilty and concerned when I look at my grandchildren and consider what could be ahead of them.
Definitely, the creatures that populate London and take to the streets over anything that sounds like a protest, just because they can, are less intelligent than most of the animal kingdom combined.
Yes Ian...Can you put me straight on this one. On the point of the policing of the vigil, is the issue about freedom of speech, or the fact that people weren’t abiding by the law of social distancing, thus putting people’s lives at risk‼️‼️. Don’t know if I’m loosing the plot, or ‘the lemmings’ are.
On the point of being absolute idiots, and not really there to do anything but stir up unrest and relieve boredom, nothing to do with that poor lass and the shocking news it was a member of the force that committed the atrocity, pure bandwagon like the rubbish about floyd last year .
You should try living in France! They have protesting down to a fine art 😂
Ah I can imagine, how are things over there at the moment, rumours of a third wave true?
Hi well there are strong pockets ( wait that is the name of my 🐕) in certain areas and relatively free areas hence the dithering about a third confinement. I live near Paris and I think this area ( Ile de France) is about to be locked down. We are woefully short of vaccins . It does make me smile. The French were quite indignant and resistant to having a vaccination and now we are lacking them they indignant that there aren't enough. Then there are endless news feeds and discussions on TV trying guess what is going to happen. However I am seeking frog 🐸 citizenship to go along with my UK one as it'll be much easier to move around Europe. After all I've been here half my life and and I sink I 'ad better (.cue "Allo Allo accent" - who is old enough to remember that great TV series 🤣)Bisous
😂 Renee and the officer of the looor, cracking UK humour it's my era and one of my favourites.It's sad isn't it, seems to have like other places lately turned very political, and snide antics to point score, this lockdown has got people going mad and so paranoid its scary.
Least some of us still have humour to hang onto. Hopefully it sorts itself and they get over their tantrum and start mass vaccination as the UK has
In our dreams Ian! Mass vaccinations need well now let me see...🤔 Ah yes vaccins. They are usually de rigueur if you are planning a mass campaign with them 😊
Yes Lil ...revolution and disruption is their forte’. That and growing onions.
Tell me about it 😂😂
🤣🤣 I would definitely second that stew. I feel for my kids and dreading the day one of them brings home one of the many ridiculous ideology’s that are circulating. I will fight it till the death 🤣
😂, il take Thor, it's hammer time 🛠
I don’t think Thor is an x man Ian but that’s a mere technicality! If we’re going all out then it’s got to be superman as first choice 💪
They all seem to mix in the same circles and movies now, anything marvel 👊😂
How about Mighty Mouse - except my cat would probably eat me 😂
Ah ha! I’ve heard this too! Just a bruised arm, nothing else after first Pfizer jab, but friends have told me.... “ Just you wait till after the second one!” I really hope not, especially because if it effects my ❤️. Only been back in NSR for ten days! 🙏
I said the same, the first it wasn't much at all, but second had been a little tough. Though family have had the Astra Oxford one and it is the first one hits hard, so it's devil's choice it seems 😂. Long live the NSR glad your getting some respite, it's such a nice feeling isn't it after the dreaded AF.
Oh yes it is! Twelve days of bliss! 🙂
Brilliant 👌
You're right and that's to recreate the simpler symptoms such as pain at the injection site so that participants don't know whether they have the real thing or not. I found it interesting that some people had symptoms which went beyond that. I read somewhere that the meningitis vaccine was used by AZ in trials as a placebo.
Do they really use the word placebo fin? Not sure how they can call it a placebo when it’s really just another drug/vaccine??
Everywhere I have read calls it a placebo - as 'meningitis vaccine as a placebo'. Interestingly, a question was asked in parliament about AZ's departure from the usual placebo of a saline injection.
It's pretty standard with other vaccine trials too. Gardasil for one.
I think they used the phrase ‘control group’ rather than placebo.
Thanks Maggi 👍 makes sense
The meningitis vaccine has it's own set of side effects. Some people would have experienced them. It makes it harder to know what are the true side effects of the vaccine being tested.
74yrs given Oxford AZ flu like symptoms within 4hours of jab , high fever etc but only lasted 12hrs No further problems . Husband 76yrs given other vaccine , nothing more than a sore arm . I believe your response depends on how vigorous your immune system reacts , so not unhappy that mine appears a positive , strong reaction x
Hopefully that is the way of it granny. I think my immune system is terrible in general though. Used to be like a fortress but shocking last few years. My mrs could eat a raw pig and have nothing but wind the next day 🤣 not jealous at all 🙄
Well SPROG, as a side issue, your Mrs must have a heck of an appetite, going round eating raw pigs. Do you find that the wind comes out as a ‘grunt’ and does she ‘oink’ at you from time to time 🐷 😂
😂😂😂😂
She does occasionally mate but it’s the rolling in mud that really boils my bacon! Can’t get it out the carpets
Hey SPROG...You need to tie her to the naughty step and remove a trotter or two (similar to the ‘Misery’ film).
Great film! Problem is my mrs makes the lead character look like mother Theresa
Ha Ha Ha...so dealing with others will be a doddle forya. SPROG ‼️‼️‼️
Piece of p.....cake steptoe 👍
I had the pfizer and no side effects apart from a slightly sore arm not helped by my lying on it the night after the jab. Friends of ours had the Astra Zeneca and both were ill - the woman for longer than her husband. My sister had Pfizer and has been feeling off colour for a few days now. My sister is the youngest of us at 68 however the two who have been most poorly after the jab - my friend's and my sister also have had Covid this year. Therefore I wonder if that has any bearing. My son and his wife had theirs a few weeks ago and had the Astra Zeneca and were fine - they are both in their early fifties and have not had Covid. I think it must make a difference if you are generally in good health and maybe medication you are on etc. We are all different and so everyone will have a different experience.
It would seem that way des. Starting to feel like age isn’t really a factor it’s probably purely down to genetics. I’m not in the best of health though and my immune system is terrible so maybe that’s a huge factor also. Thanks for input
It definitely has bearing. One of my sister's friends was told by a consultant at Leeds hospital that those who had had covid got much worse reactions. My sister had had covid in Oct and when she got the AZ jab she said she was really ill - that it was as bad as having covid again and she had to spend a couple of days in bed. She's ok now but not looking forward to the 2nd jab.
Mine was fine Des first one, second hit me more and had a couple of bad days with it.
73 years young..Pfizer....sore arm, more a heavy feeling really for a few days plus a 'background' headache which lasted a week approx. I assume connected but who knows.
Headache seems to be a recurring theme. I’d say connected. Thanks for input 👍
I'm 76. I originally posted on here months and months ago that I probably wouldn't have the jab. I have worked both full time and part time driving buses through all 3 lockdowns.As a result of family pressure and a snippet on TV news of seeing patients in hospital suffering from this virus I changed my mind.
So on 29 January 2021 I had my first jab, my second is scheduled for 23 April. I had AstraZeneca.
I was able to choose my first jab date and I chose a time when I was not bus driving ( a 4 day break) - a precautionary thing not quite knowing what the side effects would be. I had the jab on day 1 of the 4 days off. All I had was 24 hours of incredible sleepiness. I slept for England. Naaaaay - I slept for the world !! 😂
Bingo, that was it. Nothing more, nothing less and nothing since.
John
Thanks for the info carneuny. Very informative. Glad you got away with it relatively unscathed 👍 typical that you’d chose to have 4 days off and only needed one 🤣 you know what would have happened if you’d only booked the one day off 🙄 thanks again 👍
74 years old and no ill effects. Slightly sore arm and sniffles after a few days.
Im 68, female and had AZ 6 weeks ago. Very very mild arm ache for couple of days. Nearly 3 weeks later I had general malaise feeling for 2 or 3 days. Couldn’t put finger on it but I didn’t feel right. Been fine since. Talking to a male friend, year younger, different part of the country (so not same batch) who had AZ at the same time happened to mention general malaise as well a couple of weeks in. Have since read this can happen 2/3 weeks later. It won’t stop me having second dose even if I felt worse for a couple of days after.
🤔 that’s interesting how you can get a reaction that long after. I’m starting to feel I haven’t read enough into this vaccine lark 🤣 thanks for the info. I shall do a bit more research
My wife is 61 and had her AZ jab about a month ago. First couple of days she was very ache and tired. For a week she had a stiffness in her injection arm. She has had dimilar reactions to the last 2 flu jabs so I think its the normal response of her immune system to jabs.ù
Thanks dev. I got slight soreness in injected arm too. Nothing to write home about but could feel it’s been done. Thanks
I had the Pfizer jab 3 weeks ago ache in the arm only. Husband had AstraZeneca jab yesterday no sore arm no side affects at all.The Nurse told him you have to have what comes in that’s why we were different.
On the whole a good experience for us both.
Had Astrazeneca a week ago today. Initially, not much in the way of reactions - eyes a bit stingy and surprisingly, no sore arm. Since then I've experienced a couple of heart issues - two bradycardia episodes (have never had this register on my Kardia before) and arrhythmias more noticeable, but debatable as to whether I went into afib - my Kardia readings have been forwarded to cardiologist. I'm keeping an open mind, as these things may have happened anyway with this old heart of mine!
I'm 71 and have had both Pfizer shots. Other than a short headache the day of the shot, nothing. Second shot was on January 20. I feel a lot better having gotten the vaccine and recommend it.
I am 65 with underlying health issues and had the AZ vaccine. I was amazed not to have had any problems with it and hope my second jab is as painless!
Glad it went well becks. Not jealous at all 😂
You'll be fine!
67 and pfizer 4 weeks ago. I went into af that night, which stopped after taking pips, af could have been a total coincidence. Sore arm for a day, no other symptoms. Husband 70, had pfizer too with only a sore arm. Mother in law 90, had both her pfizer jabs and has had no symptoms whatsoever. Friends daughter late 20s had the Oxford one last week and was so ill with really low blood pressure that she kept on passing out. (She lives alone with her 3 year old and was really frightened, rang 111 and they sent an ambulance). She's fine now.
🤔 another one backing up the age theory. Very interesting. Glad she’s ok now. That’s the 3rd person I’ve heard about passing out and they’ve all been below 30 I believe.thanks for input
I listened to the Inside Health podcast on bbc sounds as recommended by Desanthony on his thread and they did indeed say the younger people are more likely to have more severe side effects ( am now flattered to have had a weeks “flu”). Apparently the first line of defence of the immune system which causes the side effects weakens as we age so older people are less likely to get side effects, but the second line of defence doesn’t so they still get good immunity. Also there is a genetic variation in how our immune system responds , which is why some people “go down” with a sniffle and others appear to shrug it off . Was interesting worth a listen
Always full of interesting info peony 😂 I’ve got a picture of your front room being like london library and you sitting in the centre with a glass of wine slowly picking away at it book by book 😂
Thanks again for the great info. Still waiting on them jokes though........🤔
Have you got my sitting room bugged ? Lol . Have more of a dry humour than a joke teller ( it is the Scouser way) so you may be waiting a while Elli
🤔🤔 well I am an electrician so you never know 😉😂 the land of the scousers is a little far too travel for me though and plus I’m a united supporter so probably wouldn’t be the Safest of places for me 😬 although I do and have known a few scousers in my time and their joke telling skills have sometimes been legendary 🤔😂
I got Afib 12 hours later and was cardioverted 14 hours after that. No other effect at all except tender arm. Hubby was shivering all night and felt I'll all next day then fine except tender arm. We're late 50s
Your husband sound similar to me except mines lingering. Interesting. Thanks for info 👍
We both had AZ btw
All the elderly people we know (80+ years) who had the vaccine had the AZO version and none had any reaction of note. We (mid 60s) had the Pfizer one and both of us had a slight reaction the next day.
Steve
Hi Elli86. I am a 63 year old youngster. I had the Astra Zenica a month ago. I also had covid over Christmas. And have a predisposition to blood clots.1st day I had cold symptoms
2nd day I had aches and a headache followed by coldness and shivering on the evening
3rd day I had a slight headache
4th day all ok
I would rather take any risks to rid everywhere of this virus
Thanks daveyboy. Great name by the way 🤣 sounds like a fairly typical reaction. Glad to hear it parted ways after 4 days. I’m on my 7th now I believe 😩 hopefully soon it’ll go
Keep my fingers crossed that you return back to how you were quickly
I'm 67 and had my first AZ jab about a month ago. No real side effects, just a slight tenderness at the injection site that developed 48 hrs after the jab. It was more noticeable when I raised my arm at the shoulder but only lasted a further 48 hrs.
Thanks for input Thomas
69. AZ. Nil reaction.
Re the jab itself - recommendation is that a thinner needle be used for people on anticoagulants to minimise bleeding at the site. Maybe why I felt nothing?
Fat chance fir me to comment here in France!😩😩😩 I was about to have astrazenica and whoosh all this silly controversy.....! I’m sure by next week I wil be bavk on track to have it, ...hmm...if they make their minds up by then....it’s so darn slow here and this is making it worse!
Feel for you morzine. It’s a shame politics are standing in the way as usual 🙄 good old politicians got to love them 👎
It is not the politicians who have made these decisions but the various health authorities in the European countries. Given that the blood clot events have been reported in the press they have to investigate any link with the vaccine or risk even more vaccine hesitancy. The sweeping away of this as " no more than you would see in the general population" - which has been the reaction of the British press is irresponsible . The blood clots in the brain are of a particularly rare type and have been found in working age people. It is sensible to investigate this. It is likely that the AZ jabs will start again soon and hopefully the investigations will reassure people.
I’m not expert on the matter but surely the politicians of each country have the final say if their population get access to the vaccine or not?
Yes but they are advised by by the health authorities. Here in France there are the equivalents of NICE and the MHRA and also for the pandemic the equivalent of SAGE . The latter has got a lot of flack in the press . The people sitting on it are accused of having too close links with Pharma.
But they are merely being advised. They do not have too take that advice. The final decision ultimately rests in the hands of the people who run the country.
The incidence of blood clots is less than you would find in a random group of the same number of people.
Also I think the amount of clot patients recorded has been so low that, like you say, it’s less that what would generally be expected within the gen pop. That’s a tough call but there has to be some generic amount that is reached before it becomes an issue that can be tied to the vaccine? That goes with any ailment. If 5 people over 80 have a heart attack within a week of receiving the vaccine would you halt the entire thing to investigate? I’m not so sure that’s a good idea personally but that’s just my opinion. The pool of people who have had the vaccine now is so high ( not sure exactly how many but it’s a huge number now) that your going to see deaths and illness of all kinds within the pool. I don’t think you can stop it everytime people develop problems unless that number gets to a certain level.
Just my opinion though and I am by no means an expert on anything apart from electrics and even that’s questionable 🤣
I’m just reading that their has been a very similar if not slightly higher outcome of clots with the Pfizer vaccine yet this is still going ahead? 🤔 seems fishy to me! Sounds like European Union throwing their toys out of the pram over brexit? Just a thought
You are right. The British MHRA have said they have received more reports of clots following the Pfizer vaccine . Still small numbers and the level they would expect in the population . If not anticoagulated I suppose people could always take aspirin for a few days before and after their jab. That is not medical advice , I am not a doctor, just a personal view, I take aspirin anyway
It has nothing to do with Brexit. Nor does the rollout of the vaccine program in the UK. There would have been no legal barrier to the UK government doing exactly the same if you had still been part of the EU. AZ is a joint Swedish -British company and the last time I looked Sweden was still a member of the EU. Our PM Castex has just said that as soon as the investigation is done he will have the AZ vaccine to demonstrate confidence in it.
We’re talking about two different things I believe. I’m saying that there are 2 vaccines that have relatively the same side effects and have both been involved in various cases of clots in certain patients. Completely circumstantial in my opinion and the fact that the one that involves us, the British is being stopped yet the other one continues would be a huge coincidence. Sounds like sour grapes from the EU in my opinion. They didn’t want us to leave and now they are trying to derail us by throwing their toys out of the pram. My opinion entirely and I could be wrong but that is the way it currently looks to me. They are moaning that we are getting too large a supply and are managing to get it out to the population quicker, yet they are stockpiling a ridiculous amount while they investigate this blood clot scenario. Typical EU in my humble opinion.
In what way are they trying to derail the UK and not Sweden? Oh and Sweden have suspended the AZ jabs as well. Are they trying to derail themselves?
I’m not following you? You just said that the European Union officials are the ones who are stopping it and Sweden are part of the EU so obviously they would be included In that? Either way there are 2 vaccines available for us and Europe I believe. 1 of them has been stopped in Europe which coincidentally is the one our country is involved in and the other is still being supplied 🤔 EVEN though they are both coming back with relatively similar side effects and the Pfizer one has actually been slightly worse 😬 doesn’t make sense to me but then I’m driving blind just like you are so everything is speculation and opinion. No one has any need to get worked up over anything, these are just opinions and will probably turn out that all of us are wrong 🤣
No I did not say that EU officials were stopping it but the various health authorities in individual European countries. There is a difference which you do not seem to understand. The countries have not all acted together at the same time. It is not an EU initiative. Norway has suspended it ( was one of the first countries to do so ) and they are not in the EU. Switzerland never approved the AZ vaccine in the first place. My point about Sweden was that this is nothing to do with the EU having it in for a British company as you seem to think as it is not just a British company.
The EU are trying to ban exports of the vaccine getting to us. This is the type of thing I’m talking about when I say that they are throwing their toys out of the pram. Sorry auriculaire but what I am talking about has nothing to do with individual countries health authorities. We are talking about 2 separate things as I mentioned earlier.
I mentioned that politics are getting in the way and it’s a shame for other country’s and this is most definitely true.
Your first post on this was 15 hours ago and before Ursula von der Leyen's speech- the EU press conference at which she made these remarks ended 12 hours ago.You made out that the EU was behind the vaccine suspensions because they had it in for Britain because of Brexit. Go back and read your post that first mentions throwing toys out of the pram . That sentence came immediately after saying that the Pfizer vaccine was still being used. You made no mention of the export question. You are trying to shift goalposts.
Whether or not someone had officially come out and said it or not the EU have been jealous of our vaccine rollout since the get go regardless. I was not aware of any official speech until you just told me. The EU does have it in for Britain I think that goes without saying 🤣 I merely made a throw away comment that politics are getting in the way of certain countries currently receiving the vaccine and this is true.
The reputation of our vaccine is being tarnished yet the Pfizer vaccine is getting away Scot free. How does this make sense when it’s actually been shown that the Pfizer vaccine has so far caused more blood clot cases. You still haven’t given your opinion on this?
Either way the EU most definitely has it in for us and this is undeniable.
I think the Pfizer vaccine should be investigated too. I do not think the EU "has it in" for Britain though quite frankly given the way the British government behaves in breaking agreements they signed up to not long ago with great fanfare you could understand it if they did.
I never said the British government are innocent 😇 you can include them in my original statement as well 🤣 BUT the EU are not happy with us and there is definitely some parting company with toys from prams occurring in my opinion
I agree - they are so behind here! I'm 65 and there isn't any sign of a vaccination any time soon. And Ile de France is about to go into lockdown as it's getting bad again. What a mess ☹️
Yes and it’s so varying from place to place,. I’m up in the mountains well away from town, but equally it means we get forgotten.....I’m hoping France will do Astra zenica again after Castex speaks tomoz night.l.l.
We live in a country area - in the great storm of 1999 our village was without leccy for a fortnight ! Luckily we were only here on holiday when the storm hit and were going back to UK the next day. Our GP asked my husband if he wanted a jab when he went for his renouvellement a fortnight ago. I have not had a letter yet. Castex has said he will get the AZ jab himself once it has the all clear.
They should have put Ile de France into lockdown as soon as the cases started rising. I think it's ridiculous having the whole country with the same restrictions. There is talk that Macron was put off by the rioting over restrictions in Holland - that it could happen here too. I think the super cautious approach about the AZ vaccine has partly to do with vaccine hesitancy here. They don't want doubts to make it worse and just saying "It's perfectly safe ,roll up your sleeves" will not cut it here. There have been too many scandals with drugs and complicity of officials. Also pharmaco surveillance here is rubbish.
Awe I’d have it at a blink of an eye...any jab is better then noe. Yes I agree the hesitancy is a big factor....yes Iles de France should have been locked down....yes macron was worried after seeing holland.l......they let the school hols go ahead and we get influxes by wealthy Parisians here to enjoy the snow.....morzine covid numbers rose...our town was rammed..ice rink full....buses taking families up yo play in mountains rammed....whole town full of tourist.....we are empty now with huge snow dumps....thankfully I’m prefer empty, I think it wasn’t good idea to let France go,in holiday all February......crazy,,,....
We get Parigos here too. Our next door neighbours Eric and Helena on one side are from Paris. They only come once or twice a year on holiday but they are nice . Our house was built by his great grandmother and father but due to family inheritance squabbles his grandmother and mother got pushed out into the little house next door and his mother's cousins inherited our house. I don't think Renée his Ma ever stopped resenting them selling it to English people and she got upset at changes we made even though she and her husband only came down from Paris once a year in the summer. They are dead now and Eric and Helena are much nicer. She is Brazilian but I doubt they will be visiting Brazil this year!
How long have you been in France?I have lived here for 32 years.
We moved here nearly 20 years ago. We bought the house in 1997 and just came for hols till my husband retired. We became naturalised in 2009. Just as well considering Brexit! Where do you live?
I live in the Ile de France but am often at my daughter's in Loire Atlantique near Nantes and in Normandy with one of my sons. It's true they should get on and confine the Ile de France but on the other hand there will be ( as usual) riots . What a nightmare. I don't know when I'll be offered a vaccination......
Lots of places round Paris seem to have riots all the time these days . Police stations attacked and ambushes set up for officers . It's very worrying. Like Collomb saying before he scuttled back to Lyon that we were within 5 years of civil war. I haven't been to Paris for 9 years now. I used to go regularly to see Bharatanatyam performances .
I live 7 miles from the center but never go either ( not keen on the public transport) I live in a lovely area with parks and the Maison Chateaubriand 5" away. Yet in the last 15 years 11 cars have been burnt outside or near my home. It's been quiet for the last few years. I think it was a pyromaniac who's moved away and not rioters. Still love living here though. The UK has become so politically correct but I do miss the Brit sense of humour. 🇬🇧
I don't really miss anything about Britain except for certain food items that I get friends or family to bring - though I'm not sure that will be allowed anymore with all these new Brexit rules. You can even buy crumpets in Carrefour! There are no decent Indian restaurants round here so I used to enjoy being able to eat Indian food in Paris. Since 2008 I have only made 3 flying trips to the UK for funerals all in Spring 2017. We no longer have British passports and there was less queuing using the Carte d'identité. I've been wondering about whether that will be good enough in future and if I should get a French passport.
Do you mean your passports are out of date? I suppose you are still British?I'm opting for duel nationality - dropped my dossier off yesterday at the prefecture. I think it'll make travelling in Europe easier. There is less administration to get nationality for me. I'm 65, have been in France for over 25 years and have French decendants. There are more documents if you don't fit those criteria.
I just feel European now!
Yes. We got our dual nationality in 2009 and our carte d'identité in 2010. Our British passports ran out about the same time . The carte was free so we decided we were not going to pay for new British passports as we could use the carte for travelling. We don't travel outside France for hols anymore so it would only be emergency trips to UK for family reasons that we would have to go abroad for. I am just worried the UK might say that the Carte d'identité was no longer good enough for entry . Especially as the validity was extended by 5 years here . So although it says it ran out in 2010 it is actually valid till 2015. But some jobsworth in passport control in the UK might take it at face value. We were lucky with our application for nationality. They changed the rules soon after so you had to pass language exams whereas we just had an interview at the prefecture. A friend of ours who was married to a French woman and spoke good French had problems with the exam because of his deafness!
Have you not got a French passport if you have dual nationality? I suppose you have traded your old card for the new Brexit residence card or is it a French citizen ID card that you have? As I'm 65 there is no language test at least although it wouldn't have been a problem.
It is a French citizen ID card. When our naturalisation went through first we got a letter from the ministry of the Interior in Paris informing us that we now had the honour of being French citizens and within 6 months we would be called by our prefecture to a ceremony . 6 months later we went to the ceremony where we got a dossier with French birth certificates , marriage certificates livret de famille etc. We had to take this to our local mairie and there apply for our carte d'identité which took a further 3 weeks to arrive. This is good enough for all identification here and can be used instead of a passport for travel to other European countries. I think French people only bother with passorts if they want to travel outside Europe where the ID card is not sufficient. You have to apply separately for a passport . When we first came here we had a carte de sejour which lasted for 5 years but then they said you did not need that anymore so we had 4 years with no French identification and the fag of having to remember to take our British passports to hospital appointments as some were sniffy about accepting a French driving licence as identity. Life is much easier with an ID card!
Yes when we arrived in 1989 I had to go to the mairie every 3 months to get a fiche d'état civile - ridiculous as it was still the same 3 children and incidentally husband. My last card ran out in 1994 or thereabouts and have never asked for another. I think I will ask for a French passport as it might be easier for the UK as not sure French ID card will be enough to sail through customs. I'm getting Brexit carte de séjour too!
Probably as well as the process for naturalisation is so slow . It was at least 9 months between our dossier being sent to Paris from Tulle and getting the letter saying we were citizens. Then another 7 months before we actually got our ID cards. And there are a lot more people applying now with Brexit. Same for German citizenship. All my husband's family now have German citizenship through his father who was a refugee during the war. It took over 2 years!
60 no effects except slight initial tenderness at injection site. Gone on 24 hours ish. AZ VACCINE. Also look on BBC NEWS website today , article on age and vaccine response.
I am 75 and apart from AF, I have no other health problems. I had the Pfizer vaccine at the end of January. Most of my relatives have had the AZ vaccine, all good with them too. I am just so grateful that a vaccine is available.
Thanks for input 👍 yes I think most of us are grateful. Definitely not all though 🤔😂
I'm 55 and received the Oxford vaccine. I had flu like symptoms for 4 days, and the injection site is still sore 2 weeks later. I think I had Covid last Easter, but there was no testing then. Interestingly I felt exactly like I did then after receiving the vaccine. This is apparently common if you've had Covid.
Eight days after the AstraZenica vaccination on 4 February I had flu symptoms that persisyed until 2 March. It then changed to cold symptoms that have just about finished today 17 March. I've reported it to the MHHRA Yellow Card web site. I've discussed it with the Health Centre and they have no idea whether it is related to the vaccine. I've been clinically extremely vulnerable and shielding since October, I had been 100% before the vaccination.
Another delayed reaction 🤔 very interesting. Seems a lot of people now have had something similar
I’m 33 had my first Pfizer in January, sore arm first couple of days then on day 6 I went in to full blown AF requiring ED. Had my second jab on Saturday and had the usual sore arm but on day 3 I could barely move as I was in so much pain all over my body 😢.
Sounds nasty Doll...Hope you’re improving now. You’re only a youngster, so you should weather the storm ok. I didn’t have the slightest hint of a sore arm. Felt flushed and a slight raised heart rate but that was about it. TAKE CARE.
Hi,I am 59 and have quite a lot of health conditions one being a blood problem, hence why I’m on warfarin, so I was a bit concerned when all this news about blood clots and AZ... So I spoke with the doctor who was at the centre of vaccine centre and he reassured me.. ( I would of preferred the phizer as my 88 year mother had it 8 weeks previously and had no side effect at all)!
So I took two paracetamol as soon as I got to my car as I’m always I’ll with flu jabs, so much so I stopped having them... !!
I just have the pneumonia instead and had no side effects when I had this November 2020.
So I carried on with my paracetamol and was quite poorly, it was the banging headache that took 24 hours to shift, aches, sweats and shivers and feeling like I had the flu. Continuing my paracetamol and glad to say feeling like myself again although my head still slightly muzzle.
Won’t be looking forward to my next dose and hope whilst I’m writing this the blood clot issue with Oxford AZ is put to bed so I can feel confident in getting my final jab in 12 weeks!
Pity we couldn’t choose, but on the up side I need to be protected too! I feel for all those people who got this dreaded virus 🦠 as it must of been hell to cope with... your all heroes in my eyes and god bless you all, stay safe all xx
I had the Moderna and had no side effects the first shot other than a sore arm. The second shot I spent the next day feeling tired and achy but in 24 hours I was fine. I am 73.
My husband and I are both 73 and received our 2 doses of the Pfizer vaccine. Other than a sore arm, we had no side effects. Our eldest daughter, age 47, had both doses of the Pfizer and was quite sick for about 24 hours with a severe headache and nausea. Our younger daughter, age 43, had 2 doses of the Moderna and became quite sick after the second dose with nausea and chills. Several people I know who are in their 70s have not had a problem with either the Moderna or Pfizer so it might seem that age does factor into this.
🤔 this case would seem pretty sure to be honest. Another one FOR the age theory in the bag 🤣
Yes, I am in New Jersey.
I had the pfizer about 3 weeks ago, slight heaviness in the arm in the evening but that's all. I am 63. My mum is 92 and also had the pfzir vaccine no side effects whatsoever. Interestingly enough 3 of her friends 80, 89 and 94 all had the pfzir with no side effects.
Iam 68 and had PFIZER was fine until about the 5th day then had headache and chills , fuzzy head..still got fuzzy head 3 weeks later nearly .. not sure it was the vaccine though . My husband had Az and had no effects .. my daughter 46 had covid at Christmas, she had vaccine Az last week and it knocked her off her feet . She said like having covid again, she’s fine now .. she’s not looking forward to 2 nd one though ...
I’m currently experiancing the fuzzy head. Do feel like it’s slowly fading day by day though. Hopefully will be gone entirely by end of the week 🙏🙏 it certainly knocked me off my feet that’s for sure. Luckily was only really a day and a bit where I was what I would consider bad
I am 41 and had a very sore arm for 48 hours (pfizer) and a cracking migraine on the second day. Nothing else really. I had no appetite but I have no idea if that was related?
I am 73, and had the Moderna vaccine, second one yesterday. Today I have felt achy, fatigued, run a low fever. Tonight, however, the fever which had hovered around 99 all day, increased to 100.1 and my heart has thumped and skipped a few times. Will see what tomorrow brings.
Good luck cookie! Hope it’s not too bad for you 👍
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