Non-Alcoholic Beer

[Dslokes]

Hi All. I had my ablation 9 days ago and was in sinus rythym since. Last night I had one non-alcoholic beer along with a big glass of ice water. An hour later I was still in sinus rythym. However, when I woke up this morning I was back in Afib. Has anyone ever heard of such a low threshold? Thanks much-

[Aorticklapper]

Unfortunately there is no guarantee that ablation will be successful. I have had it done once in 2016 but have had atrial fibrillation three times since. Normally it can be undertaken again. I live with it and its a trip to hospital followed by assessment and then cardioversion.If it happens when you are sleeping you could have sleep apnea or some form of breathing restriction. This can trigger AF due to lack of oxygen reaching heart.

I find stress can bring it on to and as a result took up a course in mindfulness at a Buddhist centre. This helps me listen to my body and my heart soon lets me know if it doesnt like what I am doing.

[BobD Volunteer]

Some of the worst hangovers I ever had were with "non alcoholic " beers. They are really just low alcohol not totally free but personally I fear it is an enzyme in the making of beer that causes the problems. I'm sure you will already know that n/a beers are made as normal beer and then the alcohol is removed with an osmotic process so anything that occurrs during fermentation is still there. Ice cold drinks can also set people off so maybe a bit too early in your recovery period for such antics. Have a word with your arrhythmia nurse if this doesn't revert soon.

[jedimasterlincoln in reply to BobD]

I was told it was something to do with the sulphites and as a result I avoid the none alcoholic ciders too

[CDreamer in reply to jedimasterlincoln]

Same with dried fruit which has sulphites as preservatives although finding unsulphurated fruit is not that easy.

[Dickydon in reply to BobD]

I agree, not had alcohol for several years, but nobody believed me when I’d say that I was drunk drinking 0 alcohol beer. I believe it was the alcohol fumes in the pub that prob did it. But I remember 0 alcohol beer always gave me an awful headache the next day so I don’t touch any 0 or alcohol whatsoever anymore and pubs are too noisy for me anyway.

[SnigMonis in reply to Dickydon]

When I was young, I could drink beer every day and feel great. Like you, I am not attached to alcohol, but despite this, I like to sell it. The key to a successful business is not to use what you sell. I don't know how it works, but I have a pretty thriving business thanks to this.

Recently, I turned to belmark.com/blog/beer-labels/ to change the design of my label a little. To my surprise, sales have tripled. As I understand it, people are attracted to bright and presentable-looking things. There's nothing you can do about it. That's the way the human psyche works.

[Dawsonmackay]

It may not be related to drinking a non-alcoholic beer. You have to remember that the inside of your heart has been cut and no scar tissue has formed yet. Basically you’re still in the same condition before the procedure. I have had the procedure 3 times. Five days after my 3rd procedure, I took a walk and 20 minutes later was back in Afib. So yes, low threshold is there because the heart is healing and the docs give a 90 day healing window — for the heart to form scars to block those errant Afib signals. After that fifth day, I have been strictly following taking “Calm,” magnesium at least twice a day and lo and behold twenty seven days later, I was back in NSR. It may not last but the other two times, I hadn’t been taking magnesium...

[songbird74 in reply to Dawsonmackay]

that's interesting - i am getting a short period in Af about once a month after an ablation a year ago - this is much better than the every other day it was before the ablation but reading this I have just realised the Af is always when I am not a home - and therefore not taking my nightly magnesium - I think you may have just hit on my trigger too. Will keep an eye on that now.

[Aorticklapper]

Do you suffer from any form of sleep apnea? Lack of sufficient oxygen can trigger AF.

I recently underwent a night in a sleep laboratory (not pleasant exp) being assessed for sleep apnea as my AF normally gets triggered during sleep. If you share your bed then ask your partner if you snore etc. Some good websites on sleep disorders and AF

[Dslokes in reply to Aorticklapper]

I may have this, yes. Thanks for your response.

[PengieP in reply to Aorticklapper]

I had severe Afib and undiagnosed sleep apnea. Since I have been using a cpap, I’ve been in sinus rhythm thank god. My cardiologist is convinced it was sleep apnea which caused it.

[Aorticklapper in reply to PengieP]

That's great news. I am happy for you.

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I recall having an AF episode almost immediately after drinking an iced drink soon after my first ablation...…...

[sportscoach]

Gas in the beer or any carbonated drink bloats the stomach and plays havoc with the vagus nerve, Ice cold drinks also a negative effect on vagal tone.....seen it many times in athletes.

[Spearof66]

Hi guys

Dependent on your age and whether you smoke or not,you could have copd(Chronic Obstructive Lung Disorder.

In 2017 I underwent an AF Node Ablation and they could only scar the right hand side because the left wouldn't scar properly due to different it being different tissue,I felt well for 3 days and then had a massive AF attack which was horrendous and lasted hours.

Early this year I found out what caused the AFib,I have been diagnosed with Copd and Chronic Venous Insufficiency which actually was more likely to cause Afib rather than the other way around.

Also I have severe sleep apnea which wakes me up at 6 every morning for a Bisoprolol ha ha

I know that its daunting but the longer you live with it,Once it's under control with meds,It doesn't seem so bad compared with my lung disease.

Hope you feel better soon

Matt

[Spearof66 in reply to Spearof66]

Sorry,

Should have said,

My consultant told me it was a partial ablation as they couldn't scar my right hand side.

Thanks

Matt

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Cold drinks, alcoholic or not, can trigger AF and I would think that they are very unwise so soon after the procedure. It’s still far too early to determine whether the your ablation has corrected the problem or not. See this discharge advice from. The Oxford Heart Centre:

ouh.nhs.uk/patient-guide/le...

Extracted: “After the catheter ablation It is quite common to experience Atrial Fibrillation (AF) in the first three months following the ablation. This is not unusual and usually settles. It does not necessarily mean that the procedure has been unsuccessful.”

So there is no cause for despair.

[Jonty_13]

I was put back into afib as a result of iced water. It stimulated the vagus nerve. So it may not be the non alcoholic drink but hard to tell.

Hope you are back in sinus.

[dmac4646 in reply to Jonty_13]

avoid both

[Sarah57]

It's the iced water! Trust me, stay off anything really cold and you should be fine...hopefully!

I learnt the hard way that ice in a drink, or freezin yogurt or ice cream is a trigger for AF

I find 00 Heinakin beer absolutely fine and am uber sensitive! ( but not straight from a fridge!)

Good luck and I hope it all settles down. You are in very early days and it took me at least 3 months to feel ok after what has been a successful cryoablation 3 years tomorrow!

Take ❤️

With good wishes

Sarah

[kitenski]

Mine was in and out of A Fib for 6-7 weeks post ablation, I spent ages trying to look for a pattern before assuming there really wasn't one! In the past 2 weeks it has really started to settle down into sinus, with just one short episode of A Fib.

All the reading I've done says to allow 3 months/90 days for it all to settle down.

[momist]

"Threshold"???! You sound convinced that there is a 'trigger' for AF. Nearly everything I've read on here convinces me that the search for a 'trigger' is futile. It just happens. Sorry it happens to you too.

[dmac4646]

Yes , I can have a bottle of normal Moretti - no issues - ANY kind of non Alch beer is a problem it will be something that is done in process thats sets off the AFIB. Avoid

[Violetta25]

Could it be Pavlov's dogs? You know, where his dogs started salivating everytime they heard a bell ring because they thought dinner was on it's way. Even though your beer was non alcoholic your body is practised at responding with Afib to even just the taste of it. Just a thought.

[Dslokes]

Thanks for all of your responses. Several hours later, I was back in SR. But I see this will have to be monitored. Thanks again for all of your thoughtful responses. It just sucks that we all have this condition.

[Dslokes]

Meaning alcohol level.....alcohol triggers Afib.

[AIW58]

I had an episode after a zero beer once and so I decided it was associated so have avoided it since. It may well have been coincidence but I decided to stop them. I'd suggest avoid for now you can always experiment with different brands in the future.

Are you on any meds post ablation? Had my ablation 10 days ago and I am to continue my flecainide for 2 months.

Amanda

[Tojo2020]

Do not be too hard on yourself. Give your heart a chance to stabilize after the ablation. It may take several months. I have had two ablations and after each one was on amiodarone for a few months. Now nine months out, still sinus rhythm. You will not know for certain the outcome of your recent ablation so soon. I wish you all the best.

[Madscientist16]

It may not have been the non-alcoholic beer, but the glass of ice water. Many people will go into AF after drinking ice cold beverages too quickly.

[Amysmeats]

Hi

Your heart will naturally go in and out for about eight to twelve weeks after your ablation whilst it heals.

I wouldn’t worry if it’s going back itself but speak to your heart team.

Mine went in and out a number of times before it settled.

[Dslokes]

Thanks everyone! I have now been in normal SR since Monday, been to both the EP who performed the procedure and my regular physician, and all is looking great! Fingers crossed....