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I am currently reading 'Eat rich Live Long' by Cummins and Gerber MD. It is a fascinating book that borders on being a full blown medical textbook in that it provides the most lucid explanation I have seen about the devastating effects of eating sugar on the human body, what it does to the bodies systems and components, how it sets off a chain reaction that results in diabetes type 2, heart disease, blindness, loss of limbs, strokes and early death.

The relationships between sugar, insulin and cholesterol (ldl/hdl) are identified, explored and clarified, with lots of recent fascinating research findings clearly identifying the destructive chain of events that absorbing hidden sugar sets off.

Is anyone else reading/has read this book?

What do you think? Is low fat old news and out of date?

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CDreamer profile image
CDreamer

Absolutely - low fat was a marketing con, IMHO. I think the general consensus amongst Nutritionists would agree. We are what we eat.

BUT, and it is a very big but, it depends upon the fats you take in - High Fat does not mean stacking up the fried foods which can be incredibly injurious.

Stay with Coconut Oil Butter, dripping or lard for cooking (small quantities) and don't overheat & Olive Oil, Avocado or Hemp Oil for adding to foods. My husband and I have been following High Fat, low Carb eating plan and have lost 14 & 12lbs respectively in the last 12weeks. We feel fitter and healthier - brain function has improved (our brains require fat and cholesterol but they crave glucose because it is most easily converted to energy & our brains consume a lot of energy).

I don't often get the cravings for sweet foods that I used to - in fact I cannot tolerate them but we both enjoy our 2-3 squares a day of dark chocolate.

We basically gave up anything white = potatoes, rice, sugar, cakes, biscuits etc and we don't miss them.

I make my own sour-dough bread with a mix of malted grains, rye & spelt = 1 loaf a week, whole unadulterated grains with seeds and nuts for cereal, eggs, avocados and as many multi-coloured veg as possible.

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WendyWu20 in reply to CDreamer

Me too, practically the same eating habits as you! From waddling around as a size 20/22, now a very easy size 14 and still getting slimmer. Rarely get hungry, love the local Spanish village shop for selling 95% choccy bars. Raided all the local walnut trees last autumn and still have a pillow case full in the attic :o) Loads of raw olive oil, lots of nuts every day, never eat anything with processed sugar.

Apart from still getting AF episodes, I feel fantastic and have lots of energy... high fats (healthy) and no sugar, definately the best eating plan I've been on :o)

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CDreamer in reply to WendyWu20

So pleased it has worked for you as well and that you are settling down in Spain. Their food is SO good.

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I’ve recently changed from low fat milk to the full fat. Now to drop my half a teaspoon of sugar. That little half a spoon is the hardest.... 😩

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CDreamer in reply to

It is very, very addictive and so hard to stop cravings - when I was eliminating sugar some 30 years ago I got down to literally a few grains in my coffee -which my friends made fun of. in the end I decided they had a point so I stopped altogether and didn’t really notice the difference.

I think much of our eating and drinking is habit and that is psychological so it is often about changing the way you think ablations it sugar from - it sweetens my tea - to it harms my body, imagine sugar as a poison with skull and crossbones al over it........

in reply to CDreamer

You raise a good point!! I’m starting today, no more half a teaspoon! Thanks 👍

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JulieTw33 in reply to

Read loads of books on no sugar and very low carb diets. Most experts tend to agree that stevia is the sweetener that is ok—doesn’t spike your insulin. If I have to sweeten a coffee that’s what I use.

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Alessa69 in reply to CDreamer

You are , as ever , absolutely spot on! Yep, the Low Fat myth was a big Con by the Diet Indutry to sell chemically enhanced cr*p. You really are what you eat, everyone needs to read up and understand their own nutritional needs. Sad to say, most modern Doctors were never given much in the way of training on Nutrition . You have hit the nail absolutely on the head re importance of eating the right fats. Add in a handful of sunflower seeds daily and eat some almonds & walnut .Sugar and diet sodas are the real killers here, pedalled by big Pharma and the Diet Industry! Take a look at food in most Hospital food outlets!

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jeanjeannie50

That sounds an interesting book and your post has inspired me not to put half a teaspoon of sugar in the three cups of tea I have daily.

My sister in the States is on this diet and what impressed me was that she said she'd lost 2 inches from her waist (she's the last person who needs to lose weight). That's the only area I need to lose a little fat from and she sent me a link to it, but I seem to be naturally losing weight at the moment anyway.

I think it was announced a little while back that eating natural fat is now not thought to be the bad thing it was considered to be, the same with natural salt, but of course being overweight is still considered a strain on our health.

Jean

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JulieTw33 in reply to jeanjeannie50

As soon as you cut out sugar and other carbs you lose water weight really quickly and notice it first around the mid section. It’s really important to stay hydrated when starting this diet and replenish your electrolytes or you will experience horrible fatigue.

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BG2017

It sounds a really interesting book. I have just finished reading the obesity code by Jason Fung and would definitely recommend that book too - I think there are some similar themes- insulin levels being one.

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Finvola

That sounds like a very interesting book - thanks.

The 'danger' of fat - especially butter and full fat milk - was a callous market ploy in the 1970's by manufacturers of gunge such as Flora and other 'healthy' spreads. I remember an article about the way the research and follow-up was done - apparently the whole nonsense had one influential source. The resulting fall in sales of dairy products in preference to artificial manufactured spreads did a lot of damage to the UK dairy industry as butter and fat were demonised.

Low fat or fat free foods lack taste and so something had to replace the taste - sugar came to the fore, big time. I looked at the ingredients of low fat cheese recently - trumpeted as healthy. It contained 13% sugar.

The food industry is taking over from the tobacco industry in ruining the health of so many people.

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Auriculaire in reply to Finvola

Ancel Keys. He was the person who persuaded with his cheating research that high fat consumption provoked high cholesterol and heart disease . But he left out the countries like France that contradicted his hypothesis. I have been reading some very interesting stuff recently about how the push to vegetarian/ vegan diets for health is backed by the Seventh Day Adventists and their involvement with the cereal industry and how soft drinks and sodas started off with the Temperance movement and Abolition in America. There have been 2 cases recently in Australia and South Africa of doctors being taken to court by nutritionists for advocating reducing sugar and carbs - you'd think unbelievable but no. Luckily they were exonerated.

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Finvola in reply to Auriculaire

He’s the one I was thinking of - flawed research and biassed conclusions. Unfortunately, he had a lot of clout and by the time his theory was proven to be unsound, the damage had been done and the market had gone overboard with low fat and low cholesterol gimmicks.

The same knee-jerk reaction followed some dodgy research into salt intakes, causing low salt to be widely advertised. Once again, taste was adversely affected - so more sugar and/or fat were added - increasing obesity risks but more importantly, increasing profits for the culprits.

Money doesn’t talk - it swears.

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Auriculaire in reply to Finvola

It's got Tourettes!

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Ianc2 in reply to Auriculaire

Fascinating . Greed is good. Have you got any more details of the case in Australia?

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Auriculaire in reply to Ianc2

The doc was called Gary Fettke. The article I read about the involvement of the 7th Day Adventists was by his wife. The SouthvAfrican was called Tim Noakes

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Elbows

You should take a look at Dr Michael Gregers ‘How Not To Die’ which details the foods scientifically proven to prevent and reverse disease. Critically it demonstrates through empirical research how a plant based diet saves lifes and dairy impacts adversely on our health and longevity. Interesting it debunks the supplement industry such as omega 3.

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CDreamer in reply to Elbows

I think it looks very similar in theoretical content to The Doctor’s Kitchen whose recipes I follow in the UK. I do find the foods used in recipes of US books not to my taste - anything that uses burgers and tomatoes sauce puts me off.

Very personal but I prefer working with spices of N Africa, Middle East & India.

It’s encouraging that so many more people are more aware of the affect our western, carb laden, high sugar & salt diet that we have been conned into believing it is good for us.

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Ianc2

From his obituary:-

Often referred to as the "Father of Insulin Resistance," Dr. Gerald Reaven is credited with establishing the importance of insulin resistance in human disease, especially Type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

A central theme underlying much of his work was that many medical conditions that increase risk for heart disease—such as high triglycerides, high blood pressure, and elevated blood sugar—have a common cause in decreased insulin action (insulin resistance). He named this constellation of conditions "Syndrome X," but its clinical manifestation is most commonly recognized as the Metabolic Syndrome

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Auriculaire

Low fat made certain people ie Rosemary Connelly very rich indeed. I remember hearing her say it was better to finish a meal with a sorbet than cheese. I think you can take HFLC to extremes too. I live in France where obesity is quite a recent phenomenon. 30 years ago it was rare to see obese young people and even rarer to see obese children. Older people 60s+ became a little stout . On the whole people ate their traditional diet and their main meal at lunchtime returning home for it if they could and if they couldn't eating a four or five (yes really) course lunch in a restaurant which served a very reasonably priced worker's menu. There was not a high level of heart disease either. But they did eat some simple carbs - white bread would be served with every meal , sauté potatoes with meat ,white rice with fish. What they did not eat was rubbish produced in factories and massive amounts of sweet stuff. They ate cakes from the patisserie maybe at the weekend with Sunday lunch or on special occasions . French women always knew that it was carbs that made you fat so they would limit these. Now there has been a rise in the consumption of processed food and one can see that there is a lot more of it in the shops. I remember taking a visiting friend to the supermarket about 15 years ago and her asking where the ready meals were. Well then there weren't any. And most French people would have thought it completely aberrant to eat a whole packet of biscuits or a large bar of milk chocolate in one day. Sadly the SAD has made inroads here too now and it is more usual to see obese young people and children.

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Ianc2 in reply to Auriculaire

I agree , it is all a question of balance and education. For people with bodies stuffed full with eating a high fat, high carb diet, the results can can be fatal in their forties and fifties.

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GeneralLee

Hallo, I was doing the ketogenic diet a few years ago. Lost 10kg in 7 months, but triggered my afib with it. Doing keto can deplete your electrolytes (K primarily). After one mouth of diet I had my first afib and I didn't recognize it. Lasted a few hours. So I began to read better and found a lot of informations that one should properly supplement. But for me it was too late: the foundation for afib was there and still have it here and then, once a month (paroxymal). Well I ruined my life with keto.

What I want to say: keto is not for everyone. Please inform yourself good. Just Google keto+afib and you will get a lot of warnings and informations. Keto could work well for you, but be careful.

Greetings from South Tyrol

E.

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fortunata

I own the book and have read it twice. I think it’s a great book. However, I only lost a couple of pounds on the way of eating they suggest. I’ve cut out sugar and am eating a moderately small amount of fat now and I’ve lost eight pounds in five weeks. I think they’re spot on in their approach but I’ve found, for me personally, no sugar, moderate fat is the way to go.

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Lentil61

For anyone considering a high fat diet, it would be worth watching this four minute video.

nutritionfacts.org/video/wh...

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Ianc2 in reply to Lentil61

Very well presented Video. However When you look at his evidence sources they are not so convincing, in some cases twenty years old and in other cases misrepresenting the results in his favour.

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Lentil61 in reply to Ianc2

Really? I don't think it matters how old evidence is. His evidence is all peer reviewed and science based. If you have the time there are two films on YouTube that might be worth a watch. The first is 'What the Health' and the second is 'Plant Pure Nation'.

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Ianc2

Thanks - I will have a look.

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RobertReny

I read an article, which explains precisely on what is the exact difference between low carb and keto. I hope you guys will find it useful.

Low-carb and Keto diet mainly focus on carbs moderation, but a regular low carb diet can never reach to the state of ketosis. And the main goal of keto diet is inducing ketosis.

Now what is ketosis?

Ketosis is made by your liver using fatty acids. In ketosis your body’s metabolism starts burning fats instead of glucose and glycogen, and that's why keto diet gives a better result compared to Low-carb diet.

There are certain other factor, which you should look for before going to quite diet for that please click on the link below.

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