Hi I am new here. I am a clinical immunologist MD with a history of AF. I have accomplished conversion of my AF to SR with a protocol that will likely be dismissed because the general attitude towards magnesium is we heard it all before. If you take a few minutes I would like you to read my bio which tells my story which basically explores why and how Mg administered scientifically with some other features was able to convert my AF with a 2 yr history to SR to date for 19 months.
Hugheart
Hi Hugheart.
Welcome to the forum.
It's pretty easy to find your book using a Google search with the information you've already given. I'll check it out tomorrow when I'm not so tried - might even order a copy on Amazon😉
It's nice to have a medic join the HU ranks. I think we all agree that it's possible to manage AFib with the help of magnesium and lifestyle changes. For sure, magnesium deficiency plays a role regarding Afib. I think we are all in agreement with that.
Alas - it's not that simple.
Everyone on this forum is different. What works for one doesn't work for others. Adjusting magnesium and potassium levels is a good idea but many have tried using this method without success. It may help manage AFib but IMO is not a cure - no way. The Wolf Mini Maze is the closest you'll get 'curing' Afib.
Great Bio and I look forward to reading more of your posts.
Have a great weekend.
Rgds Paul
Hi Paul
Thx for your comments. Two things I agree on. First it isn’t a cure as I have had recurrences as I mentioned. Second I can only describe my own story but being scientifically oriented unless my protoplasm is unique I believe the protocol could be tested if the cardiology specialty would do a proof of principle testing with a few individuals with AF or even better a RCT,
Hi Hugheart.
Ty for a quick response. I'm off to bed now as my bed is calling. I'll give a more detailed break down about my thoughts tomorrow. I'm always more alert in the mornings (only when I've had my coffee heh heh).
Rgds Paul
I would be interested in your opinion as to why this is not promoted amongst the medical profession?
Unfortunately I am someone for whom oral Magnesium is contraindicated as I have Myasthenia gravis - but I do use Topical Magnesium oil and have found that it can be quite helpful for helping steady my heart when it gets what I call ‘twitchy’ but it doesn’t stop AF.
Hi CD dreamer
I don’t have any experience with topical Mg but if I had to guess it’s pharmacokinetics are such that it is poorly absorbed and doesn’t achieve therapeutic blood Mg levels. In my bio I discuss Mg supplements and it’s a major chapter in my book which until I get permission I am reluctant to mention its title. Your question why oral Mg is not promoted by cardiologists is an interesting one. It has in part to do with studies using Mg sulfate infusions which produce inconsistent results. Mg sulfate infusions have a half life of 12 hours and are administered for only a few days. In my book I mention one of the most underappreciated medical observations, namely the half life of Mg in a human is 6 weeks. AF individuals have pre-existing Mg deficiency in their heart cells so it will take several 6 week half lives of Mg to replenish Mg in heart cells of AF . In my case it took 24 weeks before I converted to SR.
I don’t know if you have heard of a UK GP - Dr Sarah Myhill? She theorised that the drop in Magnesium levels in land which had been intensely farmed was a major cause of Magnesium deficiency. Unfortunately she was demonised for going against most medical opinion of the day (circa 2010). She also believed that magnesium levels could be increased by Epsom Salt bathing - which is what I do once a week.
You might be interested in looking at her website drmyhill co uk. She has been brought up in front of the GMC several times but thankfully cleared of all accusations. Reading the transcripts sort of gives one an indication of just how divided the medical fraternity can be and makes one wonder at why billions of dollars are spent on developing drugs which nearly always result in side effects and virtually nothing in nutrition, clean agricultural practices and biodiversity.
I don’t know if yo have also come across quite an interesting site which sells Magnesium but also has quite useful information Ancient Minerals com
Dr Sinatra was also a great advocate for mineral supplements - his son, a nutritionist, continues his work.
Well done you - and there are always ways around not providing links or names. I don’t think any of us are breaking rules by naming books we have found helpful - eg: Dr John Day’s book - The AFib Cure.
And there is always off forum PM.
Thanks Paul, I’m newly diagnosed with Af and on a steep learning curve. Can you elaborate on the wolf mini maze?
Hi HelpEO.
Sure. It's expensive if you need to go to the US or Japan to have it done. Some forum members have paid for it and have had much success. Start your reseach here:
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articl...
Good luck.
Rgds Paul
When I was admitted my first time to the ER with a heart rate of 135 bpm for half the day with the ecg saying AFl/AF, I was given a bolus of diltiazem, which lowered my heart rate and I eventually converted to sinus rhythm. After this jolt to my system and when I was at home, I read that IV magnesium can also be used in a case like mine, but it seems to be rarely the first-line choice. It also said that ERs prioritize fast-acting drugs like diltiazem to hopefully stabilize the AFl quickly—the priority is to free up beds? But in the weeks after, I still felt large thumps and rapid beats which was from my heart being stressed by the episode. I started to wonder if a bolus of IV magnesium instead—or in addition—have been more beneficial overall for my long-term heart health and sinus rhythm stability at least for those initial weeks given magnesium’s role in reducing inflammation.
It seems the focus is on faster-acting interventions, with a lack of awareness. I think that, along with my apixaban prescription at discharge that day, I should have also received one for magnesium.
What I find interesting and along a different line here is that when my mother had her first stroke—besides the critical role of pharmaceuticals, her doctor also gave a complementary prescription for vitamin D and magnesium.
Hi Fraser B
The current attitude towards administering Mg infusions and oral Mg is that they do not produce consistent results.An editorial in a cardiology journal reviewed a number of studies using Mg sulfate infusions and the results were so inconsistent that the title of the. editorial was
‘Magnesium therapy for atrial fibrillation: Myth or Magic ‘ . The title couldn’t have been more negative. Today Mg therapy is essentialy minimized for Mg infusions and not mentioned for oral Mg supplementation.
The orientation is fully towards medications, electrical cardioversion and surgery , especially cardiac ablation. The idea of reconsidering scientific administration of oral Mg is not in the cardiology vocabulary and based on my experience described in my protocol I humbly believe there is a place for properly administered select oral Mg supplementation.
~Your last paragraph speaks volumes and one I completely endorse.
Keep pushing and quietly chipping away - we need more professionals like yourself at the helm.
Sending best wishes meantime~
My best friend, a retired, and very experienced cardiologist, calls the cathlabs ‘the cash cows of cardiology and hospitals’. He has paroxysmal AF himself and would NEVER consider an ablation. My own feeling is that these very invasive and damaging procedures are offered far too quickly and too often.
Hi I have been diagnosed with Afib and keep hearing about magnesium being something we should be taking. I have no thyroid so am taking thyroid medication, is it safe to take these with mag, and the Afib medication. Thank you any advice would be great. Cate
My brother also has no thyroid. A few years back he was experiencing palpitations & booked a review with a cardiologist. After the usual tests that found nothing wrong, the Cardiologist prescribed daily magnesium which he has been taking since then.
Thank you I will definitely go on the magnesium see if it helps. I have been diagnosed with Afib three weeks ago, was very unhappy about that. But am fighting back now. Thank you for your help.Cate
Hi Cate.
As you have only been diagnosed 3 weeks ago you'll still be in 'panic mode'. That's normal and to be expected.
There's no need to be. I'm about 5 (ish) years in now and it's not half as bad as you think it will be. That's a Paul's Promise'.
Have a great Sunday.
Rgds Paul
Thank you Paul, yes definitely was in shock, it enough my Twin sister has been diagnosed in December, I said to the doctor at the hospital after my ECG it could be worse my sister has AFib, and she said so do you. Wasn't laughing then. I am sure after week Monday when get this echo scan and fingers crossed no other problems or heart failure is my concern, my Dad had that. I can just keep going and get on with it. many thanks Cate. Have a good Sunday.
Hi Cate.
AFib can be heredity - sounds like it is in your case. My gut feeling is your echo scan won't show heart failure or anything like that. I can't promise anything of course but I would place a bet that will be the outcome. Want to put a quid on it😉
HF sounds frightening. It's not as bad as it sounds - it simply means your heart is not pumping blood as effectively as it should do. Meds and lifestyle changes will help with this.
Rgds Paul
Yes bet on Paul, thank you for your help really appreciated. But I have a feeling something else wrong, always thought I was tough and strong and fit,.but I won't let it define me. Will keep going. Have great Sunday. Cate
That's the right mindset Cate. Keep up the good work and you'll walk it. You are tough and strong - more than you'll ever know👍
Rgds Paul
Thanks you to. Cate
I had a magnesium infusion for AF during the Brighton marathon. It didn’t have an immediate impact. I converted the next morning which was my usual pattern. But I do take magnesium tablets as I found they had a big impact on my ectopics.
I’m very interested in this, Hugheart. I hope you will be allowed to point us to your book, as I haven’t been able to find it via Google, unlike Paulbounce. I’ve known for years that supplementing magnesium daily makes a massive difference to my overall health. I’d love to discover what dose/type of magnesium could possibly be used to keep my AF at bay.
Mr Chatty (ChatGPT) is your friend here OSTL - not Google😉
Rgds Paul
I’ve had AF for 32 years and for the first 29 years on average only once every 5 years then in 2022 I’ve had about 4 more episodes. My lifestyle revolves around being fit and eating a great Mediterranean diet all my life. I’ve had my bloods done on 2023 and found I was low in Magnesium and Vitd3 so I started supplementing. I also read that coq10 is most abundant in our hearts and that when we get to 60 it doesn’t synthesise as well so I figured get those bloods done as well. I was also low so started supplementing that as well. I believe the older we get the synthesis of these essentials slow down and that’s one of the reasons AF progresses as we get older
I welcome your ideas to the forum and look forward to your contributions
EDIT#3. I've decided to remove Hugheart's details - it's identifying his full name and personal information. I feel this was not fair of me to do so. It's not right to post a forum members details etc on HU (or anywhere online) without their permission.
#Hugheart. Read the first chapter of your book Alan. Looks interesting.
Rgds Paul
Dr Goodman is a cardiologist. Hugheart says he is not.
Ty Pab1. My Bad - defo not Dr Goodman. See my update to the post👍
Rgds Paul
I have taken magnesium taurate for the last couple of years after a first ablation and have had a reduced frequency of Af.I also take a low dose of CoQ10 and take vitamin D tablets because of osteoporosis. Thank you for your input which gives food for thought.
Magnesium. The taxonomy of magnesium shows me there are multiple sub species. Which amongst the many is recommended. Or should that be suggested.
thankyou Hugs, I’ll give it a read 👍
Magnesium yes, the particular compound is subject to some debate with Mg Taurate probably favoured most here. I take Nutri Megamag Muscleze, check out the great mix of heart supplements in that compound!
Co Q10 yes.
Why: My Naturopath said both need to be in the upper quartile of the normal range if not higher for some individuals. I started these on diagnosis and had virtually zero episodes over 10 years, 2 half hour ones due to common triggers; albeit I have also taken 200mgs Flecainide.
Current protocol: I reduced both supplements and coincidentally or not the AF has come back 7% of the time. I have therefore this month stepped up both again and will post here if I get a favourable outcome.
Hi, you mentioned you had taken 200mgs Flecanide. In January my NHS consultant has increased my dosage to 200mgs flec daily - I was previously on 15mg daily for 6 months continous. I also take 240mg Diltiazem daily. This regime was prescribed following 3 emergency cardioversions for an af heart rate of up to 240bpm, in June 2023, June 2024 and July 2024. I'm told there is no way I can get off these drugs now without further life threatening attacks. I'm 54 now; I was 52 at the time of my first attack of AF. I have lost approximately 15% of my body weight and I'm exercise intolerant. I do worry about the long term effects of the drugs, but I have not been offered surgery as an alternative.
Dr Gupta who is a cardiologist at York Hospital in the UK has been promoting magnesium for many years now, particularly mag taurate. Lots of good advice from him available on you tube as well as on York Cardio website.
I am sure magnesium is keeping my af away too. Having read Sanjay Gupta (york cardiology) work. I have had great results
Btw 27 years sick sinus /af. 3 ablations on 3rd pacemaker. Various meds which caused side effects. Now on nebivolol 5 mg. I started on mag oxide 11 years ago and even that helped. But now on a good combi. Nutrition geeks or fullnesium. Af less than 2% now. Medics seem to be suspicious of mag. Sleep apnoea also needs checking. Common with af
It was really interesting to read how magnesium has helped you, Thankyou. I started talking magnesium glycenate and magnesium taurate throughout each day and have done so consistently for the last three years. I think it has had a calming effect and may have helped my ectopics too but my episodes were fairly infrequent anyway, but they didn’t stop my AF unfortunately. My magnesium levels were not below the minimum, but were only just in the normal range before I began taking it.
I don’t seem to absorb magnesium very well though, as my levels, despite taking a total of around 550 mg per day ( which is higher than recommended for a woman) are still just over the lower limit of magnesium serum in my blood. I am nervous of taking more than that, as everything points to the amount being too much already, but I’m not below the minimum level, so will just stay on the dose I am for now.
Hello Hugheart, I see you're not recommending this protocol for symptomatic AF individuals as a replacement for conventional interventions.
I agree, having persistent AFib, I couldn't try a regimen that requires weeks for results unless continuing my meds. My symptoms (exhaustion, dizziness, shortness of breath, sleepless nights, racing bpm) are debilitating without beta and channel blockers.
I believe for me, (or most anyone else, where other treatments haven't worked or want to get off the meds) after going thru a half dozen cardioversions and a failed RF ablation, having the WMM or WOP is my best hope.
I had the WMM 4.5 months ago and I'm 3 consecutive months in NSR now, off blood thinners since the surgery and in the tapering phase off my other 2 meds.
For what it's worth I started taking magnesium early last year with no effect but then I stopped taking ppis which were prescribed in error and now most days I am a fib free. I think ppis affect the absorption of among other minerals magnesium.
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