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A Story about Magnesium

I think it was BBC who did a programmer about young farmers in the UK. One of the dairy farmers, a 17 year old girl was learning from her father and was a very enthusiastic farmer. So the Dad and Mom decided she was competent to manage and had their first holiday in years. Suddenly a cow looked ill and within minutes was dead. When a second one followed the girl realized what was happening - magnesium deficiency. She rushed to the farm sheds and got magnesium licks, which they stored for emergencies and by the time they were available for the cows she had lost 5 in total. Seemingly it is well known in farming circles that the soil is depleted of magnesium.

I asked my brother in law, a farmer in Ireland about this and he agreed. He said government and EU was now encouraging farmers to allow some “weeds” like clover back into grass seeds as these gave magnesium back to the soil.

So sounds like those taking a supplement may be on the right track and a pity proper tests are not available for checking levels.

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What a remarkable story. I started to take Magnesium via a thyroid specialist who noticed I had AF while taking my med. history and asked if I took Magnesium.No cardiologist has ever mentioned it to me. Potassium check arenon existent apparently...although one should not take it in the belief it should be a routine mineral to supplement on. However, I have heard of several near deaths among people I know who have been found to be very low in potassium.

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My potassium levels are checked regularly as part of my apixaban checks. Mine are a little high. Seemingly high levels are just as bad as low levels.

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Thanks for that.Come to think of it mine were checked as part of an Apix. check last year and also were high...but only slightly.....and asI felt fine no action was taken.

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Mine were the same. Just slightly above so no action taken.

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lallym

Extremes of either are fatal untreated

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What checks do you have for Apixaban. I have been on it for jsut over two years and never had any checks.

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Clarrie, there should have been a blood test to check liver function about 6 weeks after starting the Apixaban, and followed up I believe at six monthly intervals in the UK, twelve monthly in some other places. You may have had it without knowing about it, as the GP will only tell you if there is something wrong with the results. If you genuinely have not had any blood tests in two years I would suggest you should chase that up.

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As per momist - I have blood tests every 6 months, mainly to check kidney function.

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10gingercats

Non haemolysed potassium as part of a chem panel is the most commonly requested biochemical test,, worldwide

Hypokalaemia in human medicine is most commonly associated with diuretics

Not sure about bovine hypokalaemia

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I used to be on a forum called affibers.com it is still active and was my lifeline when I first got a/fib years ago

They strongly recommended

Magnesium potassium and Taurine supplements

You cant overdose on magnesium or Taurine but you can on Potassium

Worth a try I'd say to try the other two as others have said you can't test for magnesium and you can't overdose on it

I'm about to try Remag will let you know if it is any good

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fairgo

Bad advice Mag toxicity can kill

ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/M...

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very interesting and informative link, thanks! Important to read the entire article.

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A Good book to read on the subject is The Magnesium Miricle knowledge is everything

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sorry to disagree but Magnesium intake is self limiting too much and you will get Diarrhea your body knows when its got enough it is safe to take

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Damage to kidneys, springs to mind especially if you have kidney disease

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I stress I am no expert but I have heard that the body is very clever and negates many of these magnesium tests. It always ensures that there is plenty in the blood serum at the expense of that in other tissue like muscle hence you will have normal levels yet may still be deficient.

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Agreed. Many people on here get a private cellular test.

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lallym

How many report low red cell Mg?

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No idea. I was only telling a story !!

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I have been having Red Cell Mg tests six monthly for 3 years and despite supplementation most readings have been towards the bottom end of the recommended range; my Naturopath says for AF he wants it in the top quartile. I suspect the culprit is my addiction to high quality dairy (from a Biodynamic organic farm, raw milk etc) and consequent high calcium intake, which I understand can block Mg absorption - I am reducing dairy now to test this. Incidentally, I have also read too much Mg can block Ca and that is not good either; we are all tampering with a very sophisticated machine!

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Which symptom or condition are you hoping to fix with the Mg?

Danger of chasing your tail? As in take one supplement, doesn't work so change something healthy like dairy to get to therapeutic levels

Chuck out the Mg, no evidence it works unless you definitely need it. Save yourself some dosh on the supplements and blood tests

For you I would say eat healthy and don't risk magnesium poisoning unless told to by a medic

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BobD

In this you certainly are an expert

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Ex=has been Spurt= drip under pressure. Never call me an expert again!

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BobD

Sorry about earlier mate, just sad to see the old guy go. Got me a bit emotional and out of kilter. You're doing a great job.

So we're cool? Pint?

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lallym

Yes grass staggers is a serious problem in cattle and sheep associated with the flush of spring grass. Licks are standard. To lose 6 cattle amounts to poor practice normally, perhaps there were other factors

koll would know

I have not heard of grass staggers in humans

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I just started taking a magnesium supplement, thanks for sharing :)

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This is why I smile every time a poster says you should be able to get the needed magnesium from your diet -- not any more. This has been known to farmers for a long, long time -- our soils have been depleted of magnesium and it's no longer readily available in our diet alone.

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djmnet

Interesting. Do you know why this is? Liming fields was common enough in our area. Presumably both stock and arable farmers have the means to spread magnesium, it's easily available as licks.

Koll ?

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