christmas treats

[higgy52]

Got Atrial flutter and bouts of A F,

Don't normally drink but having a few beers, chocolate and nuts, you only live once so deserve a few treats,

Happy Christmas to you all,

[Fastbeat]

Well I don't normally drink because it's not good for my AF, but today I decided to have a glass of champagne at lunchtime,just the one I enjoyed and all is peaceful and steady, so for me all is well but I will leave it at just one drink.Enjoy yourself, but I would not have to many you may regret it tomorrow but we all have to make our own decisions. Happy Christmas.

[UScore]

Merry Christmas.

Alcohol doesn't bring on AF for me, but nonetheless I abstained for the day. I chose today to over eat instead, I figured I'd be pushing my luck to do both. My plan is to eat lightly but drink merrily on new year's eve.

It's been quite interesting to watch the rest of the family get messy and argue with each other, whilst I concentrate on eating cheese.

May all of your hearts be happy over this festive period.

[dmac4646 in reply to UScore]

Unfortunately cheese and alcohol are my 2 main triggers for AF.

[Hidden in reply to dmac4646]

Oh dear, I love cheese. I did not realise there might be a connection with AF.

I like some of the unpasteurised mountain cheeses, well matured. During a stay in Ronda, I discovered Manchego.

[that would be Ronda in Andalusia, not the one in South Wales, close to where my people in Abertillery lived]

[Polski in reply to Hidden]

Enjoy! Any of us can develop a food-intolerance to almost any food. The important thing is to know what is the problem for you personally, if anything!

[UScore in reply to Hidden]

We are all different. I ate enough cheese to kill an elephant last night and I'm fine.

[UScore in reply to dmac4646]

Sorry mate. I'd be lost without alcohol and cheese. What a stupid thing AF is.

[Bagrat]

If we all avoided everyone else's triggers, I fear I would live on apples,never lie on my left or my back,stop bending over,avoid cheese chocolate , gluten , no alcohol eat little and often ............

I do avoid dehydration and big meals only one alcoholic drinks in day about twice a week ( apart from yesterday when I had several very juice heavy Bucks fizz, a glass of Malbec and a miniscule port!!

[Hidden]

The main offender is alcohol, even in small amounts.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Tachp

Why does that happen, what is the mechanism? It seems to rank in the top five triggers for AF as mentioned by afibbers. Psychological stress, exercise, autonomic modulated, caffeine, all those I understand.

Alcohol , unlike the others, has a somatic depressant effect, even with the associated disinhibition. At least, that is my experience.

[dmac4646 in reply to Hidden]

According to some it is all down to inflammation that alcohol seems to make worse... for me its simply not worth it now and I have got used to it reluctantly

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Alcohol consumptios has been proven to be an important trigger of AF. Some susceptible people start fibrillating after just one drink. Alcohol affects the body in many ways, some of them are very obvious to everybody, but there are other hidden effects of alcohol in the body. For example, alcohol produces an increase of adrenaline, alters many electrolytes, includings those involved in heart rhythm such as calcium, sodium, magnesium and potassium, and it has a strong effect in the vagus nerve. The connection between alcohol and AF is absolutely accepted in the scientific world, to the point that there is a syndrome known as “Holiday Heart”, which refers to cases in which AF started after a happy celebration with a lot of drinking. One prominent cardiologist even suggested that patients awaiting ablation, should try first an alcohol abstinence trial. In many cases of total alcohol abstinence, the ablation was averted.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Thank you. The stimulant effect of even small amounts of alcohol on the adrenal glands as you describe is interesting. I would be grateful for a pointer to a paper about this if you have one to hand, otherwise I will google it.

I ask because my experience of small amounts of alcohol is that my PAF usually settles afterwards.

[higgy52]

Did have a fast Heart rate in night, not sure with it was the beer only 1 can or all the chocolate and biscuits i ate,

[01maxdog]

Considering the amount of alcohol consumed over Europe on a daily basis there must be a lot of the populous out there who don't even know they have a Fib ! Let alone our younger generation who don't even go out before they've consumed a fair amount to save on the pennies , there may be trouble ahead