If someone told me 18 months ago that I would not be able to do one push up...... I walk about 3 miles a day on average, but darn. Telling someone to go work out, when they don't work out, is like telling someone to just quit smoking.....and I wrong? and is it to late? Dick is gone, cum is gone, my fuckin body hurts in a different place every day. The picture is becoming more clear to me.
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Weak, so weak
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Hi there. Sounds like your muscles need glutathione. I take 600mg/day of lyposomal glutathione from Natural Factors. I have more strength and stamina with no T than I had with the T. Also, take lyposomal quercetin, also from NF. Quercetin also stimulates osteoblasts, which is good for bone integrity.
Thanks for the tip
Have you tried physical therapy?
no, but that's a good idea
Yea , you are describing my daily life for the ( more or less ) last 6 years. Frankly, and I hate to say this but it surprisingly gets much worse. I know everyone is different and we all deal with things differently but , I love to use my perspective of “ work around s “ as I call them.
The general consensus here is that if you exercise , even with elastic bands at home, you will improve dramatically over time.probably that works for most …. didn’t help me much if at all. I sank so low that I’m in a wheelchair, I have an abnormally high met load that has damaged every joint I have ..including nasal passages , mandible etc. it can get to the point where you will lay down and sleep for 14-16 or more hours a day. Too groggy to wake up fully, appetite gone , … pretty much messed up brother.
I’m young, only near 80. ( 79 ) , my mind is about 45-55. … I’m FAR from ready to just lie down and waste away and croak now.
I’d ( just IMHO , Im no doctor ) : first make sure you are on your palliative care register, you easily qualify and it makes everything easier. Then ask your palliative specialist doctor to give you a script for 5mg Vicodins ( you don’t need to be numbed out, just take the pain edge off ). Also for some ( .25mg is OK ) Xanax to fluff up your metal state and allow you to ease back and start enjoying life again ( ditch the anxiety ). Ask your oncologist to prescribe some 0.025mg transdermal estrogen patches to lift you up as well …. For some / many they are almost a miracle. Might save this for a few years from now …..
Then …..can’t walk ??? ( I know you are walking now but as you decline or if you want to make it way more interesting )
Now sounds like time ( early ) to get yourself a etrike, the kind you pedal. You get mild to heavy exercise ( or it does ALL the work if you get tired ) and you can go 40 miles ( you choose how much exercise / effort you expend ) for over 3 hours. Put a Bruno lift on your car or pickup and take it to resorts , hike and bike trails, major shopping centers, restaurants, zoo, pizza and pipes, casinos … zillions of places limited solely by your imagination. It’s endless fun and entertainment . This will make your life more fun and interesting and make you want to get up and get out every day.
I could expand on this volumes but you begin to get the drift. We gonna let this crap take over our lives and kick our a$$es or we gonna take charge and turn our remaining lives to QOL fun where / while we still have plenty of life left. Yea things have changed and us warriors have to change with the times …. But you’ve got plenty of life and fun opportunities , , especially with your loved ones,… lying ahead. Get out and start using your time wisely, and try to make up for all those days, weeks, months, and years we have wasted. Don’t waste the remaining days , weeks , months etc.
anyway that’s what I do , just my take.
Love ya brother, brush it off and refocus for the good stuff.
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Drive this to the zoo , casino or coastal resort and get on with life. Just say’in
I bought an e-assist trike when I realized that my upright biking days were over. My bones are tarting to ache a lot and my psa is doubling fast I hope the trike helps with building bones. At this point walking distances is difficult but the trike is much easier. I have customized the trike a lot and on Thurs should have a backup battery arriving so I can take longer trips. Once i get to the county road it is a lot flatter and faster. My young guy Poodle needs the exercise as much as I do. Dogs and biking (and computer programming and machining to keep my brain working) are the most important things in my life. And then my husband, I guess.
That etrike will certainly give you dramatically more mobility for sure, and you can dial up the effort level to suit what your body can stand or wants in the moment. The e-bikes and trikes are extremely fun toys that have stunning implications , especially for us old farts with aPCa.
Yea dual batteries is the only way to fly for sure. I’d ride my e-assist vehicle ( bike or trikes) out until it started to loose umpth considerably then turn around and ride back until it couldn’t go much more and switch to battery #2 and I’d have confidence that I’d get back safely and without embarrassment rotflol. You could consider taking your trike in and having a 750 or better 1000 motor installed. You’d lose a bit of range probably but more is better isn’t it. lol
I hope the hubby doesn’t read this, lol…… Lesseenow,….poodle,- etrike - then hubby ….. rotflol. Might find some flat tires lol.
Etrike are exciting, no doubt about it…. People just don’t realize how much until they try one.
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He knows he is no competition for the Poodles. I have a very powerful motor, I think it is 750 watts. It is the Bosch system. It amazes me what it can do with that little motor and the range is impressive. They mush have built a very efficient system. The replacement 400 or 500 wqtt hour batteries are absurdly expensive. I bought a 70000mah battery/inverter unit with pure sine wave. The idea is to use it for emergencies to charge the Bosch battery with the stock charger (i know there is some conversion loss) and to charge phone headlight etc if necessary. I keep forgetting to put a search on ebay for a dead battery cheap. As long as the BMS is still working it is just a matter of installing standard cells for about 25% the cost of a new battery. I bought the batteries for another application and the welder and metal bridging stuff.
We had a pair of little brown teacup poodles, they were very smart , loyal and loving. Both of them died as old men in my arms, it was heartbreaking. They lived a privileged life filled with love. We have pebble tech floors in the hallways now, really not suitable for dogs, especially poodles that must anoint every inch of their territory rotflol.
What you have done battery wise is interesting. Of course , first you just install a bike rack on your bumper hitch and you can go get one or both e-trikes if they run out of juice in an inopportune place. Second, like you , I bought a sine wave inverter and kept / keep it in the truck bed box. Still have it. While you are transporting the a trike you can charge them ( plug into the trailer power connector ) or go rescue one and charge it with the truck. I put a second battery holder on each bike for extended range too. Yep at about $500 apiece X 4 batteries…. It’s pricey. 2nd batteries are a no brainer. I like the 750 motor as well, the style mounted at the crank which uses the gear system , best. My wife’s folding e-bike had the 750 hub drive but didn’t employ the gears. Both bikes systems worked great. That little shove you in the back push-push-push was impressive.
When wet bag batteries are assembled ( both lithium and MFLA ) , the factory has many 1000s on hand to choose from, they measure each battery cell and closely match cells to assemble batteries. An assembled battery that doesn’t use balanced cell construction suffers in efficiency and performance. My etrike uses 5 very large maintenance free LA batteries ( kinda like golf cart batteries ), 60 volts at 22 ah. I just replaced the batteries a few weeks ago, ….I have about 15-18 batteries out in the garage , I order a new set and I have an automated tester the size of a voltmeter ( ACT 612 intelligent battery tester , about $400 ) that I match them with before installing a set. I want all to be 22ah or more . While in use an individual battery can take a dump or degrade, its easy to find the offender and restore a balanced battery chain for maximum performance. This without removing all the batteries. Even if ALL batteries are measuring the same , ( say 18 ah ) the battery will still perform well. A degraded cell in a string of good ones screws everything up and strains your good cells.
My only experience is with lithium batteries in my upright e-assist and now trike. They both have crank motors so use the gears .the trike is 8 speed cluster with a single chainring. makes shifting easy to figure out.
I don't think that the lithium cells are usually balanced maybe for the highese end products and maybe Bosch is that? They have a BMS which treats each cell separately. It is supposedly no big deal to replace cells in these. I bought the cells for my garden tools not the bosch but they are the same cells. If the bosch dies before i get a spare one i will try replacing the cells
Never stepped into a gym after high school. 40 years later hired a trainer and now go 5-t6 times a week. I find it therapeutic and the only pain I have is from lifting. It is doable
When I was working I had a long commute and only managed to hit the gym on a weekend. Now that I am retired I go to the gym three times a week. Gets me out of the house and allows me to socialize too.
Ya I go with my 78 year old neighbor and my wife. Makes for a great start to the day
this etrike will give you all the walking style exercise you want, or dial it in so the etrike does all the work effortlessly. Get 500 watt motor or preferably a 750 watt motor and go all over town or 40 miles in the country. I guarantee an etrike ( most reliable brands ) will make you feel 15 years old again while riding it.
Fat tire etrike toy for exercise and / or outdoor fun
From your photo I found the site addmotor.com/. Good source to know, and thanks!
Yea , I thought that picture represented more the outdoors fun concept than the old style photo of an old codger , coming back from the store with groceries in his basket, on the sidewalk outside the nursing home rotflol. I didn’t want to mention a brand or brands due to Daryl’s advertising policy . I rode fat tire e-bikes , couple of brands for many years. I had my bikes long before there were stores in town selling and ( esp ) servicing them. This picture is kinda amusing because fat tire tires have very thin carcasses and you have to go through great lengths to puncture proof them. Even keeping them on pavement or sidewalks , they will get punctures. Still the extra effort would be worth it. Etriking or biking is great fun, one of the best , most rewarding, toys of current times.
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Yep, when you get something happen, generally people can deal with it. It becomes more of an issue when you get an accumulation of events which effectively overwhelm you. For exercise, you should consider one step at a time - literally.
If it's a pushup, put in the effort to do as much as you can and incrementally push that a bit further. Does it matter if.you take a month? Nope. Doesn't mean there are other exercises you can also do.
Once you hit your target, set your new target at 2. Rinse and repeat.
I did this with swimming. Couldn't do a width. I used to be terrified of drowning as a child..
Now I can swim 10 miles if I want. More if I had to.
It's never too late to try. I'll still try until I die.
No reason you can't either.
I certainly hear what you are saying muttonman & most here would probably be in the same boat without exercise of some sort. I hit myself with L-Carnitine or just Korean Ginseng before a trip to the gym, it helps with energy.
The whole deal we ended up with in life stinks I know but what will you do? Roll over & die? Get up & Get On With It.
e-bikes are truly a game changer for us folks who got dealt this hand. I ride mine no less than 25 miles a day. Not only does it make me feel like a teenager it gets around 100 smiles to the mile! Enjoy moderate amount of exercise and in my case, much needed and improved mental stability as I ride out this disease. Happy pedaling!
I have no idea, but I like what these other guys say about e-bikes/trikes etc. It will change your mood for better imo.
I ride motorcycles off-road and on-road. Almost always brings a smile to face. All sport makes me happy and I think Im pretty typical.
I'm 71 and had my prostate out, 3 years ago with additional triple therapy (Lupron Nubeqa and Chemo-Docetaxel). Mets to T8 and node in pelvis. Radiation to both. PSA <0.01 last 2 years.
I sympathize with the "dick doesn't work". Body/joint pain. Depression. Fatigue. But you know what?. I don't want to give up and I want to live. So I walk around 5 miles a day. I try to go to the gym 2-3 times a week. I can't lift nearly what I used to but it helps. If your kidney lab tests are ok then you can talk Ibuprofen occasionally for the aches and pains.
It sucks. It's the hand we have been dealt. If you feel depressed (a common side effect from the low Testosterone ) go see someone and get on antidepressants; no shame in that. See if there is an online or in person support group where you can go and vent or just talk with others in a similar situation. It helps. Your MO office should be able to help with these things. Don't give up. Keep plugging.
Good luck to you and the others on this forum dealing with this disease.
Breathing is my exercise....
Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.
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Well, it's a good subject! I didn't believe it would happen to me, but let's see ...
Lost about 25lbs+, mostly muscle in upper Body. Shoulders are so bony now, lost mass, volume, strength and stamina. Used to walk 12+ miles per day between work and lifestyle. Chemo kicked my butt, and then Lynparza shortly thereafter I would say has been a downer, lol.
But I fought back, went back to my Martial Art group and began working out. Take what I can get, I'm the youngest of the group (went back @ 58yrs old). Not like we do 1000 kicks punches and more like the old days, but it's still a workout. I had days were I couldn't last 20mins and had to sit., etc. Stamina has improved but muscle loss is still extreme. Used to be able to do 25+ pushups without thinking about it, not any more... Used to do pushups to measure my physicality when going through my original RT in 2019...
But I can walk miles now, can work out for 1+1/2 hours (most days) etc. And feel really good!
But muscle mass is going to be a full time experiment now. Not too sure how to build mass without Testosterone! So this is a good subject. Basically posting so to follow the thread, lol
Good Luck
I was in a similar place not so long ago. After getting close to 50 pushups last year, I had to stop almost all my strength work due to various orthopedic issues.
Finally got back to lifting over the summer, then got to trying pushups - I could barely get one of them done.
Kept at it. I refuse to let this PC BS own me.
Eventually got to 3 ... then 5 ... then after starting my off-cycle (intermittent ADT) and getting some T back, I bumped it up to 10; that was early October. Yesterday, I knocked out 20.
So my message is to get at it, and keep at it.
But if you overtrain, it's counterproductive, e.g. if you push the same muscle group two days in a row. Take at least one day of rest/recovery, and/or work a different group. The amount of rest depends on how hard you push your sets. If you push to failure, you'll need more recovery. Recovery time is when the muscle fibers repair and get bigger in the process (i.e. stronger).
Some guys do upper-lower, there's also push-pull-legs, etc variations.
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