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My husband at MSK is getting his external radiation for the entire prostate with extra radiation to the pelvic nodule in October. I have requested for MRI Linac and our RO who heads the department wasn't sure if he would use it as he said he will use the GRT. I requested again at his last appointment with the nurse. She saids he will let me know. His tumor is protruding close to the rectum. If they don't agree should I go to NYU to get it with Dr. Zylinsky at NYU who was formally at MSK for the external radiation? Do patients do that?

Also the Dr. doing the Brachytherapy which is earlier will not be using the gel spacer as the nurse told us it would hinder the radiation beams and where they need to go. Has anyone else been told that? We feel we are in great hands at MSK and happy with our excellent team to date.

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Infamous9597 profile image
Infamous9597

I was also told by MSK that they would use the CT guided SBRT and not the MRI linac.

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SherryKahn in reply toInfamous9597

They have the machine and if they are doing the IGMRT then they can do Linac. Wonder why the hesitancy? Don't want to change the whole team at MSK so wondering if my partner can get the radiation at NYU and still continue with the MSK team.

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Tall_Allen

It would be disastrous to use a spacer with cancer near the rectum. I can't think why you would ask for that.

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SherryKahn in reply toTall_Allen

I thought that was the protocol. Learning every day.

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AnOrangeADay in reply toTall_Allen

My initial thought was that a spacer made sense too. If the cancer is close to the bowel, it will be targeted with maximum dose, and spillover to bowel at great risk.

Can you explain what would be disastrous?

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Tall_Allen in reply toAnOrangeADay

It presses cancer cells into the rectal wall, protecting them from the radiation.

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AnOrangeADay in reply toAnOrangeADay

hydrogel spacing focusing on the use with prostate brachytherapy. It is clear that spacing utilized in the setting of brachytherapy, may reduce early or late gastrointestinal side effects, and does not degrade the quality of the treatment

brachyjournal.com/article/S...

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AnOrangeADay in reply toAnOrangeADay

Hydrogel spacers can be used during prostate brachytherapy, also known as internal radiation, to reduce the amount of radiation delivered to the rectum. This can help reduce rectal toxicity and allow for higher doses to the prostate to kill cancer cells. The gel can also improve bowel-related quality of life

And they don't just reduce side effects to the bowel. Hydrogel spacers also reduce urinary and sexual symptoms as reported by patients1,2. These spacers are used for most prostate cancer patients treated with external beam radiation or seed implants.

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Concerned-wife

My husband traveled to NY during covid to receive MRI guided radiation from Dr Nagar at Weil Cornell. He was wonderfully caring. Dr Nagar is now Director, Genitourinary Program, Department of Radiation Oncology at MSK so if he doesn’t recommend it, there must be a reason. He responds very well to questions.

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Mgtd

Sherry I was just going to follow up on Conerned wife comment. You are being treated at one of the best cancer treatment facilities and you on the East coast have access to other centers of excellence as well. You also have some amazing doctors and centers of excellence. That is truly a blessing.

As a former east coaster who grew up and was educated back there you are very fortunate to have those medical facilities and education opportunities.

Now for the hard part and I am sorry if this offends you. All that being said what makes you think that your request should be honored over the opinion of that doctor? Are you an expert in the field? Can you provide a scientific case why that is necessary? Science carries weight with doctors in making your request.

Without science, medical training or experience treating this cancer, you have every right to seek a second opinion and move onto another facility. However you maybe just kicking the proverbial can down the road for no reason.

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SherryKahn in reply toMgtd

Agree with you regarding the excellence SOC at MSK and that only experts in the field should be making decisions regarding my partners health. It was a leading oncologist who suggested MRI LINAC should be used and suggested I request it. I always defer to the experts in the field. So which was the reason I was asking. Not making a decision either way just putting it out there.

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Mgtd in reply toSherryKahn

Maybe the real solution is for you to have your leading oncologist contact the doctor at MSK to discuss this with him since he considered it to be a critical issue in the treatment plan and raised it with you. At least at that level - doctor to doctor it would get a hearing.

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SherryKahn in reply toMgtd

Good idea will have him follow up with MSK.

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Mgtd in reply toSherryKahn

After I read your post I went back to your opening statement and you wrote “ I requested …” rather then Dr So and So suggested you use the LINAC.

AnOrangeADay profile image
AnOrangeADay

what is GRT?

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j-o-h-n

BTW his name is Dr. Michael J. Zelefsky.

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n

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