I'm experimenting with an EMS (muscle exercise machine that uses electrodes and electrical stimulation for muscle growth and healing) on a collection of swollen lymph glands on my left pelvis (probably cancerous - feels like a mass more than a collection of lymph nodes...waiting for CT results and oncologist analyses...sounds a lot like what many people have described as metastasis from a cancerous prostate (I tested Gleason 8 five years ago; no treatment until now).
I'm just wondering if anyone else has tried this rather limited form of electroporation on a tumor they can feel?
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I certainly considered that! But after reading article after article discussing the cancer-growth inhibiting effects of electricity (beyond which the tumor is accustomed to), I decided to give it a try. The results so far after about three weeks - I can sleep at night because the pelvic pain is greatly diminished. These last few weeks, I've barely been aware of it. Has it shrunk? The lymph swelling seems to have reduced. Placebo effect? Who knows. But some placebo effect isn't necessarily a bad thing...unless it prevents you from other treatments. My oncologist palpated my pelvic mass yesterday and gave me a strange look. "Huh," she said. "What?" "I'm not sure. It feels different." ???? I guess I'll keep trying and see what happens... (They're performing a CT scan of the pelvic region this week as well.) I'll keep people here posted, if interested.
Even a brief internet search will provide dozens of links/articles. CHAT provided a nice summary of the studies involving electricity. I read Tall's dismissal of electroporation with interest. Well, I'm sure that no known therapy is anywhere near realizably 100% effective. I wouldn't assess a therapy based on it not having a complete curative effect. ADT certainly doesn't offer that. Some combinations involve electroporation, heat, ADT, dietary changes, and supplements such as garlic, turmeric, KETO, NMN, and INAD+. Ivermectin, photomodulation, Fenbendazole, etc., might be beneficial. I'm trying them all, but the only therapy I've seen noticeable immediate results from (so far!) was electrical stimulation.
Hi, 85. I was diagnosed as having prostate cancer in 2019, Gleason 8. I didn't do anything about it except a TURP (which was utter failure) for urinary retention. In hindsight, a proctectomy might've been the way to go, considering the TURP was worthless. So I don't really have any detailed biography YET. Tests are happening and recommendations are being drawn up as we speak. I assume they will involve the usual ADT, chemo, etc. I have a strong alternative medicine leaning, but I don't to be too stubborn/dogmatic about it at the price of many more decent years. I am 71 years old.
you are WAY behind the scene in medical shocking devices. Many are available for sale on Google . Just type : medical tumor shocking machine to see a lot of info and even buy several.
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Shocking machines are used all the time for acupuncture needles to improve treatment… give that a look too.
A few seconds after I replied, I thought: Maybe that was a pun? Heh. We need to stay humorous here. I always try to crack up my doctors. Most of them just look at me as if I'm nuts. Just shows how perceptive doctors can be.
lol …. Ryte on my brother campsoups. ( RC ). All of us , the guys , are at different places but we’re still hanging in there. Such as it is. Rotflol
Nothing wrong with your memory buddy …. Yes in fact we are anticipating a fine SvenGoolie episode tonight , perusing the DoorDash menus , getting our beverages / accoutrements ( lol ) lined up. For the hammer , it’s gonna be a handful of gummies , enough to render a dinosaur unconscious, and me some fresh espresso beverage. No alcohol anymore 😥😥😥 the hammer quit and I don’t want to trigger her. Gotta get something to hide in my bedroom or something, still she’ll smell it. Oh well, good for her. It’s a monumental accomplishment to quit on your own. She drank so much, for so long. Her liver was giving out . I’m proud of her. Not many could have done that in her own …. With a little medical supervision/ help from me of course. lol
Angry stranger across the room on her couch now tho. A little Mayo on my $&’% sandwich I guess . She is one tough cookie. Again I’m proud of her.
I ended up with professional help when I was 30 but I was too immature too have come up with the idea myself. It was jail or treatment lol.
It was a good experience. Always did like psychology and the program was full of Psychiatrists and Psychologists. 11 years later I did start drinking again but it never became the problem it had been.
Over these last years my drinking has faded. If PC hadn't been an influence chemo definately was lol. Yea upped the weed consumption during chemo and left out alcohol and that's kind of stuck with me. Pizza night last night. I bought a six of Newcastle bottles but never opened one. I will though. A six lasts about a year lol.
Didn't mean to go on about myself so much. My excuse is I was reminded of my past drinking I guess ha.
While an interesting thought probably, even if you could electrocute a tumor , still all those tumor cells circulating in our blood would still be there. Those spread the cancer all over. It’d be a losing battle. Resistance is Futile.
Well, cancer cells circulate in probably every human body, so I think resistance (that is, your basic immune system) is far from futile. I know you mean once the cancer has already spread, but it seems logical to me to suppose that destroying a cancer "factory" would reduce cancer cells in circulation and relieve some of the immune burden.
To be honest, I lost the current of this discussion days ago. Update: the pelvis pain returned after a six-week hiatus (when I using "electrotherapy" for an hour or so each day). So another alternative cure down the drain, I guess. Grumble, grumble. My oncologist who has an MD and Ph.d in molecular biology - smart lady; lucky to have found her), is like super-open-minded about alternate therapies, BUT on top of limited standard ones such as ADT and chemo. I'm on ADT now. What a pain Now I have to buy a set of dresses and high heels. Though I have to admit, I feel kind of sexy using a chainsaw in high heels and tutus. (Any other Monty Python fans here? :).
Haaaaaaaaaay now….. if you are a smart shopper , you can do miracles in heels and nose. Did you read this Randy ?? ( that’ll trigger his notices ) . Geeesh, you probably don’t even your training bra yet…. Let alone a drawer full of Manziers.
lol….. we joke all the time ( laugh to keep from crying ) about moobs, Manziers, shrinkage …. Dresses etc. , it’s part of the territory we all accept to slow down the monster in the room. It is what it is, we have fun with it occasionally. lol
Would it work on schwannomas/benign tumours for my Schwannomatosis NF3 underneath the skin attached to my nerve canals, usually caused off by falling down, epileptic seizures. stroke, etc? Willing to try? very rare condition, not much medical research done on the condition?
We do know that electrical fields can disrupt cancer tumors. Who knows about Schwannomatosis? I wouldn't think it would hurt, but I'd research it to ensure there aren't any dangers.
Thanks Jsbach1953 that's half my problem such a rare condition, and I'm the only one certainly that I know of with this recognised condition, plus I'm not a doctor 🕵️♀️
Doctors (in my experience) are in the habit of saying things like, "I never seen your condition before!" - but in your case, they probably really haven't. :_)
I have had the condition since 1970, but FINALLY diagnosed in 2017, I have my own personal specialist, like her she would/does hear on a regular basis "I never seen your condition before!" I as far as we both know I am the only one certainly in UK, with the condition🙄 I have two on my right arm at present,🦾 I am very sorely tempted...
You're saying you've had PC since 1970??! How would you know? I mean, we probably all have had early symptoms that we disregarded, but that's pretty extreme. But yeah, I think everyone I've talked to says that at one point they've heard, "That's weird. None of my other patients have had that problem." In your case, if you truly had PC for fifty-plus years....I think that would make one case in a billion! Did you start experiencing symptoms at twenty or something?
No I've had Schwannomatosis [Neurofibromatosis type 3] since age 14, I had a small hard lump [benign tumour] surgically removed, I've had three operations for benign tumours over my life time. Finally in 2016 a neurologist and I who had seen my medical history, and confirmed a year later, that I did have Schwannomatosis, she has since become my personal specialist, and a really good personal friend. Separately I was diagnosed quite wrongly in June 2022 with PC they thought that two schwannomas I had on my prostate gland, was Prostate Cancer, after radiation, decapeptyl SR injections [which made me sterile🙄] and made my pectus carinatum/pigeon chest [rib cage structure] "untreatable", after the age of circa, 60, the schwannomas/benign tumours turn gelatinous, still there but in reality harmless🤞 I being the only person have to work strongly on my own experience.😲 November last year they realised their mistake and casually mentioned I won't have to take anymore PSA's
Sorry - I lost track of you in this thread, Adion. I'm sorry you went through all that. Pretty fascinating, though, in a macabre way. I don't blame your doctors for being a tad confused about your condition. At least, it sounds like they finally have a handle on it. I wonder what in the heck causes Schwannomatosis. Seems like it would be genetic, striking at such an early age.
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Introduction and asking for help interpreting latest scan results and thoughts on future treatment plan please.
