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I'm post-radiation (completed February 15, 2022) in which one (of 4) lymph nodes resolved, one reduced about 60% and two reduced about 80% (PET/CT of August 9, 2022). In response to my "What's next?" question, as expected it was "wait and see". Another PSA in 3 months, then PSA and PET in 6 months. I am also on my second six-month shot of Lupron (with all the miserable side effects).

Soooooo, I'm looking into alternative treatments. Any suggestions are appreciated. I'm considering returning to Hoxsey Bio Medical Center's treatment. I was on it for 20 months ending in September 2020. MMS/CDS is also being considered.

Of course, diet considerations were changed back in 2018 when I was first diagnosed.

Thanks!

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Nusch profile image
Nusch

I‘m not a friend of alternative treatments, prefer complementary ones. If you are already changed your diet I would add CV exercise (e.g. running) as well as resistance training (e.g. weight lifting). Daily exercise might slow down progress of PC and effectively helps to mitigate Lupron SE and prevent CVD. Other than that I can recommend driving stress to almost zero, enjoy your life with every new day and slow down in whatever you do, meditation might guide you the path.

I wish you a successful fight. Medical advice will follow from experts here.

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Tall_Allen

It takes time for the radiation to have full effect. It took me almost 4 years. You should be taking Lupron for at least 2 years.

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Scout4answers in reply to Tall_Allen

It takes time for the radiation to have full effect. It took me almost 4 years.Allen, I want to learn about the process. Could you please explain this to me. How can we know what is happening at the cellular level inside of us and attribute it to radiation after four years.

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Tall_Allen in reply to Scout4answers

Radiobiology for cancer has over a century of history. What we've learned is that radiation with water and oxygen creates Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS) - mainly hydroxyl radicals. The hydroxyl radicals insert into the cellular DNA. Healthy cells undergo apoptosis and replacement or self-repair. Cancer cells lack those abilities. The ones that aren't destroyed outright, go into a dormant state. When they come out of dormancy and try to replicate, they die. This is called mitotic catastrophe.

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Scout4answers

It takes time for the radiation to have full effect. It took me almost 4 years.Allen, I want to learn about the process. Could you please explain this to me. How can we know what is happening at the cellular level inside of us and attribute it to radiation after four years.

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MrG68

Yeah, that’s some change I direction, isn’t it? From the treatments you’ve had to possibly MMS? How are you going to fit it all together with your future treatments? Are you just going to try it for a while instead of just waiting?I’m sure you med team won’t be very happy about that, so I’d expect some resistance. Can I ask what’s the main reason for trying alternative methods? Is it because your life is miserable with the treatments you’re getting?

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VanillaGorilla in reply to MrG68

I'm trying other alternative treatments since the current western medical model says "sit and wait" which means the cancer will go back to growing during the 6 months the oncologist wants me to wait. I had success with Hoxsey Biomedical's treatment-it kept things from growing for 20 months. Then I changed to what was supposed to be a quicker-change treatment.....however, that man turned out to be a charlatan. In the 22 months under that guy, I went from 1 hot lymph node to 4 and some growing toward bone. Thus the radiation.

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MrG68 in reply to VanillaGorilla

I sent you a private message. You can see that by pressing 'Chat' at the top of the page.

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Londear1992

Dr Anttinen at Turku University Hospital in Finland did an interesting study giving Tulsa Pro to men who were PC recurrent after radiation. You might want to look into that study.

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London441

How much do you exercise and what kind?

I am reading an interesting book. ..“Naturopathic Oncology: guide for patients and Physicians”. By Dr Neil McKinney. 4th edition.

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irakor

I agree that alternative treatment is reasonable while you "wait and see". Perhaps our experience may be useful for you.

My husband (now 82) was diagnosed and had radical surgery in 2007 (Gleason 7, PSA 23 before surgery, PSA was 0.11 after surgery and doubled in 6 weeks). 2 months of radiation lowered PSA from 0.5 to 0.03, then it started growing fast.

So, we chose alternative treatment. We used the following protocols:

1) Bill Henderson’s Protocol for 3 years, it kept my husband’s PSA below 0.03. My high school friend (breast cancer stage 4) still is on that protocol since 2008. See book "Cancer Free, Your Guide to Gentle, Non-Toxic Healing” by Bill Henderson.

2) Protocel since 2011 plus a few supplements (AHCC, Paw Paw, Bio-Curcumin, D3, B17). I know 2 more people whom Protocel helped. See a young doctor’s paper ezinearticles.com/?How-Prot... Also see book "Outsmart Your Cancer" by Tanya Harter Pierce, read chapters 9-12.

3) Ivermectin, dosage 0.4 mg/kg, and Joe Tippen's protocol. You can find info about Joe Tippen's in Facebook.

I cannot claim that my husband is doing very well now, that is why he had to add more medications to Protocel (see p.3). But at least he is still with me after 15 years and he feels relatively good. So far, he has not had to take drugs with severe side effects, although he may still have to in future.

I wish you good luck!

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VanillaGorilla in reply to irakor

Thank you for your response! I am doing Joe Tippen's protocol now (for about 3 months). I will research the other suggestions. Thank you!Daryl

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harleyharhar in reply to irakor

hi can i messsge you? Would like to ask some details bout your alternatives, we need help please

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irakor in reply to harleyharhar

I would be happy to share our experience of 15 years fighting with my husbands prostate cancer. Please see my reply to VanillaGorilla above. I am not sure the rules of this forum allow me to give you my email. Please ask your questions right here and I will answer.

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harleyharhar in reply to irakor

hi i tried sending you a private message here

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VanillaGorilla in reply to harleyharhar

Yes you can message me......I'm just not sure how this webpage works yet.

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harleyharhar in reply to VanillaGorilla

i tried sending you a private message here

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CAMPSOUPS

Wow. irakor is still pushing protocel.

cancer.gov/about-cancer/tre...

Please be careful what you ask for vanillagorilla.

And keep in mind all people actually that have success is because of the medical treatment they had. Then they claim it is the unproven additions.

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irakor in reply to CAMPSOUPS

First, I am not pushing anything. I don't sell Protocel, I buy it. I just wanted to help a person who was asking about alternative treatment.Second, I thought that replies in this forum shouldn't be rude.

Thank you.

MMS/CDS does a great job of getting Oxygen to the needed places and at the same time eliminating disease and that will get your body to start fresh again. It does it by chemical dissociation, as it strips the electrons from diseased acidic components. You must eat right and supplement as you need to give yourself all the tools needed to rebuild tissues back that were eliminated any disease waste. You must follow the protocols that work for this and be consistent and patient as it does work and everyone is a little different as to their body's ability to filter it all out and that will include all toxins and any other bad components that are eliminated throughout your body. Here's a good list of others that have used it. Hope your doing better and keep up the educated fight! mmstestimonials.co/componen...

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CAMPSOUPS in reply to RELEASETHEGRENONS

Parkinsons, Lung Fibrosis, and Prostate Cancer. Those are the HU forums you reply to and always regarding MMS/CDS. There is no information about your medical conditions. This doesn't smell right.

I'm trying to make sense of your reply. MMS/CDS works for an incredible list of diseases. I linked what others have done with this supplement for VanillaGorilla to check out and others if they want more information for the healthy freedom their looking for. These links may be intertwined with more conditions as they are presented through a quick search. I don't have any conditions myself but have used Chlorine Dioxide for years. Everyone on here has benefited and/or consumed this hundreds if not thousands of times and have no idea that they have. It's used in so many places that we all touch. It's not to be known to us as a useful application for treatment of dis-ease because the FDA & others know about it (tested it) and suppress it at all costs. I'm Just putting information out there if someone is interested in this substance in order to help. It does smell fishy to most, as most are not up on it and it's been around for over 200 years. Most Dr's will not know of and it's all around them and they are not to use it as they will be kicked out of the system that makes money from their treatment path. There is a plethora of information on this and more coming out every day. It's use is in the 10's of millions by people and around 7,500 Dr's are finally using it as they found out about it during Covid in their practice, but mostly in South America and such places that allow it.

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CAMPSOUPS in reply to RELEASETHEGRENONS

fda.gov/consumers/consumer-...

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RELEASETHEGRENONS in reply to CAMPSOUPS

CAMPSOUPS

I don't have time to type everything that needs to be known about this. Yes yes yes seen this image come up a zillion times and the BIG warning from the FDA who in their most humble of hearts have our best interests at heart (sarcasm). I thank you as you are trying to bring to attention something that seems to be the most controversial substance that's refuted in most medical blog forums just about anywhere. This is what they know and don't want you to know - THEY being the FDA. Chlorine Dioxide is not bleach. It's made from two ingredients a weak solution Sodium Chlorite (with a 't") and an acid that (in this case one we can ingest) either 50% citric acid or HydroChloric Acid 4 ~ 5 %. Actual Bleach is Sodium HYPOchlorite (emphasis added). Two completely different chemicals. If you have live in a country similar to the U.S.A. when you go shopping at the supermarket all meats beef, poultry and seafood as well as all fruits and vegetables are washed with it and don't need to be rinsed and that's OK with the FDA. Canned goods, some toothpastes and mouthwashes use it. Bottled water that's been purified used it. Hospitals and schools plus some businesses use it to kill off MRSA and SARS. It's put into blood bags since 1994 to kill off HIV. (seeing a pattern here?) They use it in dentistry, cleaning breathing tubes and liquid tubes as it removes bio sludge. They clean and sterilize medical instruments such as colonoscopy cameras. It's in over 30,000 patents and even included in cancer treatment to some small extent. Over 50% of Water Municipalities in US purify water with it, mostly in the south and southeast. On and on. Check out Dr. Andreas Kalcker and his lab results (thereare many books on this now from him and others) as well as some documentaries on it - such as the Universal Cure and 2 or 3 others. Remember science is implementation, observation and repeatability so all those many many reports of testimonies have truth in science and can't be discounted. There's no large money to be made on something you and I can create ourselves in our own homes. Thanks CAMPSOUPS, I hope you don't take this as a mean reply and hope it only helps you in another must have for the medicine bag. There's a LOT of info on this now so please dig way beyond the "Google Search" and it's gaining traction. :) BTW Google and YouTube are owned by Alphabet and came to a decision 5 to 6 years ago to squash anything positive on this. DuckDuckGo will give you a much better reply for research.

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EdBacon in reply to RELEASETHEGRENONS

You said "BTW Google and YouTube are owned by Alphabet and came to a decision 5 to 6 years ago to squash anything positive on this." I'm not surprised. Just an FYI, in case you haven't noticed, they've also squashed all the information on free energy too. Where did that go? I do think Big Oil was involved in that one...

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RELEASETHEGRENONS in reply to EdBacon

Oh yes. Many things have been put out of sight and I have noticed. The latest (see before they take this off) is the 20,000 watt free energy generator on YouTube. I find those interesting.

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EdBacon in reply to RELEASETHEGRENONS

Wow thanks, I'll check that out.

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EdBacon in reply to RELEASETHEGRENONS

How much does it cost and where can I buy some?

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RELEASETHEGRENONS in reply to EdBacon

In the U.S. it's approx 20 to 40ish dollars depending where you locate it. I think for the best bottling is best to go to kvlab.com/

You can find it on ebay and other places. I think the nipple type dropper on the bottles works out best as you'll be just dispensing droplets into the mix. The bottles will last you the best part of a year even if your mixing everyday for months. I got some that have been around for years as I use it sporadically now as needed for me. At first I used it for 8 months straight everyday full strength 8 times a day and I still have those bottles around with more in them. Good Luck!! Please keep reading up on it as I'm always learning more and more every day. Look on BitChute for some great videos on this. Also Brighteon and search for G2Church and there you'll find the videos that where removed from YouTube. Go slow at first and build up at your pace. The body stores a lot of toxins and that'll be evident within a week or two of constant use as you'll get a upswing in energy over time and you'll feel a great reminder of what the past was like. To better health EdBacon!

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