HAs anyone tried BODY by SCIENCE workouts or Blood Flow Restriction training to maintain muscle and bone density ?

[PBnative]

I’m six months into ADT with Orgovyx and Zytiga and I’m losing muscle fast?

[maley2711]

do you have links for those 2 suggestions? Like to read about them .

[PBnative in reply to maley2711]

You can Google BODY by SCIENCE . The book is on Amazon . Lots of YouTubes of the author Dr Doug McGuff explaining how and why to train this way . It’s an evidence based approach .When you completely exhaust your major muscle groups in a short intense workout and then rest for up to a week before the next workout it sends a message to your muscles and bones that they need to adapt to survive . I did two sessions a week apart with a gym in Florida that trains this way . It’s called Twenty Minutes to Fitness . Dr McGuff claims it builds muscles , strengthens bones and effects blood pressure, blood lipids and genes related to aging in dramatic ways .

There are many YouTubes about training with Blood Flow Restriction . It’s a way to jump start resistance training so one gets more muscle growth with lighter weights and less effort .

[London441]

Everything you need to know about BFR training here:

youtu.be/3m15T_4jVzE(Not working as expected?)

How much exercise are you currently doing and what specifically?

[PBnative in reply to London441]

I’ve been playing tennis and doing Pilates but I’ve procrastinated starting resistance training . At age 72 after six months of Orgovyx, Zytiga and prednisone I’m feeling weak and my marathon runner’s calf muscles have visibly diminished . I’m going to a PT next week to learn to use BFR so I can buy the equipment and use it myself . I told the PT that I’ve lost muscle from ADT and want to play catch up . I have a 75 yr old buddy who has had great success with it and will coach me on how to do a slow cadence high intensity workout with the FBR.

Some of the YouTubes about weight lifting for ADT side effects say I’m screwed because I’ve waited 6 months to start .

[London441 in reply to PBnative]

Great! I’ve never been a fan of 15 minute per week lifting plans. One needs to be very focused and intense for that to work for those experienced.

However as a starting point (or returning after a long layoff) these plans are fantastic, because they are SO much better than nothing, and can build all important momentum along with the muscle.

There is a lot of good information about ADT and lifting, including YouTube presentations. PM me if you want, I can send you some links.

So much bad info on the internet. You can never be too far behind to start. That is as ridiculous as it sounds.

The weaker you are, the faster you’ll get strong if you do lift consistently.

Anyone who says you’re ‘screwed’ if you waited to start lifting for ANY length of time whatsoever is a idiot.

Many guys on ADT do cardiovascular exercise only. This is a big mistake. Sarcopenia is insidious, relentless, and must be intervened upon if one is to thrive on ADT.

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Exercise is important. I will not advise you to use these as they are experimental and have HDL lowering side effects, but I use selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) when I am doing an ADT phase of my hormonal program. I don't lose muscle. Before I did them, the muscle dripped away. I tested my PSA as I ramped up different doses of SARMs. Eventually I stopped because the dose was way too high and my PSA was still zero. I talked to my MO and she said to keep doing the SARMs.

I've been working out for hours each week since I was 15. I have an exercise section in my free google drive book. drive.google.com/drive/fold...

I'm planning on porting that over to a kindle type format sometime but that's back burner.

To answer your specific question, I have and do use BFR bands. A sock or a wrap around your limbs works fine. But I went so far as to get a set that uses an air pump to get a precise pressure (pretty neat for legs, for arms I don't notice much difference vs. cheap bands or even a bandana).

I did Body for Life back in the 90s. I don't recall how it worked though.

There are a couple of programs that I like and my program incorporates both of them.

I have found that as I get older and more easily fatigued, I do by far the best with 2-4 short workouts every day. I start pooping out about 45 minutes into a long workout and am not going at 100% intensity. Plus I don't think it is good for your hormonal profile. It probably has cardio benefits however.