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Hmm... Met with my MO yesterday and happened to discuss DMSO...

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westof
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Last summer, one of our esteemed members, broached the subject of supplements.

Among them was DMSO (for pain relief) and I decided (after intensive research) to give it a shot.πŸ€”

I mentioned to my MO that I have a roll on (100% strength) that I use on my lower back and get immediate relief.

Also, that I have an amber spray bottle with a 50/50 mix (distilled water) that I apply liberally over my shoulders and hands for added relief.

Finally, I take an eyedropper, sublingually daily (and waited for him to shriek in horror)πŸ‘Ί.

His response: "does it smell like garlic?" and I explained that I use PHARMA grade, no odor DMSO.

So, he looked at last weeks comprehensive blood work, smiled, shrugged his shoulders and said "everything looks good, I'll see you in 3 months"

Finally, my August scans showed no mets (I turn 73 next month and my dx, 3 years ago was G9, but S3).

Seems that I may have just lucked out (with the assistance of my great MSK Docs) and the support and encouragement of everyone on this forum.

Thanks,

Best to all.

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The garlic taste forms in your mouth from DMSO metabolism (it isn't a taste of the chemical).

Be careful of what's on your skin as it may carry them through the skin.

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westof in reply to Tall_Allen

Thanks TA,

Well aware of the absorptive properties of DMSO.

All containers are sterile and hands are scrubbed before applying!

We used DMSO. It is important to have cleanly washed hands. I used a spray. It did help pain.

Hey westy! You deserve this break today . DMSo rocks . Now kick this undetectable can for many happy years . πŸ₯³πŸ₯³πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘

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westof in reply to Lulu700

Thanks Scott, (esteemed member!πŸ˜‡)

MO didn't show the slightest concern.

Now, on to Proteolytic Enzymes...

Finished my first bottle and ordered another.

Too early to recommendπŸ€”.

Best

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Lulu700 in reply to westof

We must try to improve things naturally as much as possible . What do you think about a shake weight to help numb hands? I’m thinking it might shake up the neuropathy some?

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westof in reply to Lulu700

Hmm... What the hell is shake weight??

At first read I thought it was snake awake!πŸ˜ƒ

However, given the fact that I still have low T and the little guy is still dormant (for the time being, hopefully!) I thought that you had discovered Viagra on steroids!πŸ˜‹

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Lulu700 in reply to westof

Nope! It is a dumbbell that vibrates .

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westof in reply to Lulu700

SO, this is shake weight!

I think T notched up a bit and I feel a tingleπŸ˜‚

Got it!
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spencoid2 in reply to Lulu700

there is a great South Park episode that features something similar.

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Lulu700 in reply to westof

My doc say β€œ whatever you’re doing , keep doing it β€œ! He has no idea of all of the stuff I take . My original mo s said don’t do antioxidants ,and I pilled them on . Your life . Follow your will . Heal thyself brother ! πŸ₯³πŸ‘

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Nalakrats in reply to Lulu700

I am glad I intro-ed it to you. Pain Sucks!

Nal

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westof in reply to Nalakrats

Thanks Nal!

However, Scott passed it along to me.

Best.

BTW, has anyone mentioned that you look GREAT!πŸ˜€

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Nalakrats in reply to westof

You should see my insides!

Nal

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westof in reply to Nalakrats

Also, what is your take on this?

Proteolytic enzymes, Digestion, Muscle, Joint, Non-GMO, Gluten Free, Vegetarian, 90 Veggie Caps

Thanks

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Nalakrats in reply to westof

Great for digestion of proteins and more important they reduce inflammation. We, meaning Patrick and I have mentioned more than once--that PSA and C-Reactive Protein--a measure of inflammation--run together. PSA up, Inflammation rises. PSA down, PSA seems to drop.And by the way--being once an old Bench Chemist in the 1960s--I used DMSO in certain reactions--and found the benefits for pain in the 1970s and have had a bottle in my bathroom going on 40+ years. I did not post about DMSO but did recommend it for pain relief on HU about 5 years ago, to someone!

More to the story in the 1970s/early 1980s--in South Florida, about every other bench for Buses, had a DMSO Ad and the closest Drug store to get it, for pain relief. Kind of what you see today with CBD Oil. The FDA stepped in and stopped the Advertising--of course with the blessing of Big Pharma--as DMSO was hurting pain relief tablet sales. You cannot go into a drug store and find it. You have to buy it basically on the Internet.

Nal

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westof in reply to Nalakrats

Thanks Nal!

You are REALLY an amazing fountain of knowledge!

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Nalakrats in reply to westof

Thanks for the compliment--I have things hidden in the folds of my brain--but not sure I can find all that has been lost-->age is a killer of Information. And I am a victim.

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TFBUNDY in reply to Nalakrats

Do you need me to remind you to write a book before all your information evaporates... ! Keep on truckin..

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Nalakrats in reply to TFBUNDY

I am already past my golden years----fishing in Florida, and Alligator Hunting[While I can is top of my list right now]. I write a chapter for most posts--but only present summations. I have boxes of handwritten notes--as when I do compose--I do it the old-fashioned way---with Pen and Paper.

Nal

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TFBUNDY in reply to Nalakrats

You don't sound like you are at the end of your tether. Careful with the gator wrestling.... Or you might be.

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MateoBeach in reply to Nalakrats

According to physics I(Information theory’, information can never be lost or destroyed even if it falls into a black hole. But it can certainly be misplaced! πŸ€”πŸ˜†

Damn... another med that I had never heard of, that I can buy on the cheap at Tractor Supply. I don't have any horses that need pain relief, but do have a wife, with feet in constant pain from standing all day. Does this make sense for her? (No, I am NOT comparing her to livestock... I reserve that honor for myself, alternating between an ass and the GOAT.)

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westof in reply to noahware

Woah!! Don't buy DMSO at "Tractor Supply", guessing that it's industrial grade and not PHARMA 99.99% pure.

You had me confused for a moment...

I pictured her eating oats and hay and you dreaming of entering her in the Kentucky Derby.πŸ‡πŸ˜

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noahware in reply to westof

I'm pretty sure vet grade must be higher than industrial, though probably not quite up to the highest"human grade." That would be worth looking into. After all, major impurities that can easily be absorbed into the skin with potentially serious health effects would not be so good for horses, dogs, etc. just as they wouldn't be for humans.

Regardless of the grade at the production level, I would think the type of container would also be very important... couldn't a high grade leach bad stuff out of an inferior kind of plastic, transforming into a less pure lower grade?

I am not suggesting TSC as the best source for the highest grade... but lol, if you look at the reviews for the product at TSC, most of them are regarding personal use, not animal use! (Unless of course it is the animals writing the reviews... you never know.)

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westof in reply to noahware

LOL, I like your sense of humor...

Good point! My liquid comes in glass, however, the roll on is plastic.

I'll look into it and keep you posted.

Thanks

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Shooter1 in reply to westof

Just 99% pure, right over from the Fenbendazole for goats-- no pain/ no worms/ stretch out life we hope.

How do you get pharma grade DMSO?

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westof in reply to cesces

Amazon (DMSO Store).They have a variety of products. Liquids, roll on and creams.

The one in the photo is their brand.

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Nalakrats in reply to cesces

Or Vitacost.com

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cesces in reply to Nalakrats

Hmmm, I probably trust vitacost over Amazon. Lol

Great news Westof,

I'm thinking of doing something similar, I'm getting fed up with all the differing pains. I'm really pleased for you.

You're a big mate of Lulu, .......... em, what's he do with a vibrating dumbbell ? πŸ˜‡ Just curious.

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Shooter1 in reply to Lettuce231

He rrubbss in his DMSO.

What is S3? Probably obvious but escaping me at the moment. Thanks.

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westof in reply to dhccpa

Stage 3. At the time of my dx, my RO explained that it appeared that the cancerous cells remained within the prostate (later confirmed by the scans, showing no mets).

Knowing that I was G9 and that my PSA kept doubling from 4 to 28 within a year, I asked him if I had 3-5 quality years left. He looked me in the eye and said "were looking more like twenty".

This made me the perfect candidate for HDR Brachy, 25 days of IMRT and hormone therapy.

The MSK docs were great and my se's were minimal (libido loss and very minor occasional bouts of fatigue).

Hope this helps.

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dhccpa in reply to westof

Yes thanks. I was diagnosed as metastatic so I tend not to think of stages as much. Much more important in your case.

VERY VERY VERY interesting article on DMSO at lifeextension.com

It even talks about treatment of cancer. Any opinions pro or con?

The Untapped Healing Potential of Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) - Life Extension

Https://lifeextension.com/magazine/...

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westof in reply to cesces

Great find cesces!!

I was aware of some of the findings, however, this provides a complete road map (to date)!

Good work,

Thanks

From lifeextension order page. They sell it in a plastic container. Not good.

They appear to be the most expensive source. Maybe good. I know that they are sticklers on quality assurance.

DMSO16

$37.99

1

Add to cart

Product Description

DMSO Inc. High Purity DMSO, 99.9% (16 fl. oz.)

High Purity DMSO, 99.9% - 99.9% Pure DMSO - 10% distilled water for safe usage - 16 fl.oz.

No dilution necessary - 10% distilled water for safe usage. (Best strength - stronger must be diluted to avoid skin irritation.)

DMSO (Dimethyl Sulfoxide) is a simple small molecule with amazing chemical, biological and physical characteristics. DMSO is the resulting by-product from the manufacturing of pulp and paper and has been used for over forty years. It has been reported that DMSO may be a rapidly absorbed skin penetrant, with the ability to carry other substances through membranes*. DMSO may provide support as an anti-inflammatory agent

DMSO may:

Provide support for reducing pain and swelling

Provide support for as an antioxidant

Form a water molecule in the body which is easily excreted

Provide support as a free radical scavenger

Provide support for reducing arthritis pain and swelling and helping carpal tunnel

Provide support for cystitis

Provide support for insect bites, acne, neuritis, neuralgia and shingles

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westof in reply to cesces

My supplier claims that their products in plastic "is in a BPA free container".

Hmm...

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cesces in reply to westof

Plastic contains all kinds of things you don't want circulating in your blood. Lololol

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westof in reply to cesces

Hmm... Point well taken.

Now, I have to look for glass roll on containers.

ThanksπŸ‘.

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cesces in reply to westof

I strongly prefer lifeextension, but lack of a glass container is a deal killer for me.

DMSO already starts out with too many unknown unknowns.

Why court extra ones?

I think I go with vitacost.

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westof in reply to cesces

For once (and only once!!) I disagree with Nal.

I went to vitacost and found that everything is plastic (notice the 4 oz blue plastic bottle, with the tree as a logo?)

That was the first one that I bought and I still have 2 oz left!

The stuff from the DMSO store comes well packaged (in Styrofoam) and the liquid comes in glass.

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cesces in reply to westof

Hmmm I didn't notice that.

I think a glass container is sort of important

From WebMD:

webmd.com/vitamins-and-supp...

I think I'll stay with my Chocolate chip ice cream (two scoops)...

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Sunday 11/14/2021 12:26 PM DST

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westof in reply to j-o-h-n

Hmm...2 scoops?

1 scoop applied topically to each of my aching hands?

Might work!

Thanks! πŸ€”πŸ˜

BTW, how did you fare with yesterday's storm on Looong Island?😟

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j-o-h-n in reply to westof

I was planning to use them on her thighs..........

Weird storm..... In Astoria: Rain/Wind/Hail...... In Forest Hills: Thunder

I guess God was punishing all those illegals in Astoria.

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Sunday 11/14/2021 1:04 PM DST

I was born in LIC (Boulevard Hospital, is it still there?).

Lived in Jackson Heights until I was 7 and then Dad was transferred to Dallas.

Being a small smart ass kid from NYC, I was considered illegal.

Got beat up a few times (mildly. 7 year old's don't do much damage), however, I learned to defend myself both physically and verbally.

I have no idea why I wrote this reply (maybe 2 Bloody Mary's?).

Best

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j-o-h-n in reply to westof

Here's your answer: Boulevard Hospital was a 234-bed private hospital in Queens, NY.

History:

Boulevard was owned by a group of 24 doctors. The hospital lost its payment stream from Medicaid and Medicare and closed.

Two years prior they had fired their administrator, who provided authorities with evidence that facilitated investigating alleged improprieties, including "improperly withheld refunds due thousands of patients and used hospital employees for the owners' personal chores.

Now Jackson Heights is more like New Delhi Heights....

Have a bloody Mary on me............

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Sunday 11/14/2021 7:47 PM DST

Hope the battle is over and you won!!!

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westof in reply to Marshb52

Hey Marsh, thanks!

In the end, I think, that one way or the other...

We are all winners!πŸ˜‰

Best

I'm confused. My functional med guy has me on table DMSO to purge my high levels of lead and mercury. Does oral also provide cancer supression?

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