Don’t know if anyone here has tried the Wim Hof method but I’ve been trying it since my Lupron injection in hope of fighting off ADT related brain fog, depression and fatigue and I think it has been helping me so far.
It's creator developed this method after his depressed wife jumped to her death from the 8th floor but it does way more than fight depression.
It’s based on 3 pillars: breathing, cold, and meditation.
I’ve downloaded the phone app and am using only the free component, but he also has a web site and there are tons of youtube videos on this guy who holds 26 Guinness records.
Wim Hof says that the breathing exercise in which you pretty much hyper-ventilating for 30 breath before emptying your lungs and then holding your breath for as long as you can and then taking a deep breath and holding it for 15 seconds is alkalizing the blood, making it possible for us to achieve things that you might have previously though impossible. I repeat this cycle 4 times in a row and it takes me somewhere between 15 and 20 minutes.
For example, before I tried this, I did not think I could hold my breath for a minute and I am now able to hold my breath for over 2 minutes. This, along with ending my warm shower with a period of very cold water (I am at 30 seconds of very cold water) gives me quite a jolt in the morning which seems to help clear my head for a while even if it does not last all day long.
I don't know if his science is correct but since I feel good doing it, I intend to continue doing his daily exercises/challenges as I find that they are helping me but I was wondering if the scientifically inclined members of this site might think there are counterindications to hyperventilating or momentarily alkalizing the blood or going from warm to cold water for people with our disease?
I've never tried the Wim Hof method and never heard of it before reading your post.
Based purely on your description of it, I don't see any real harm, if done in moderation, in some of the recommendations and, if some of them are working for you, why not practice them? However I have some reservations that you should consider. These reservations are based partly on what you've written and partly on the Wikipedia article on Wim Hof.
1. I wouldn't take Hof's scientific explanations too seriously. I think the reason that hyperventilation enables you to hold your breath longer isn't that it is alkalizing your blood, but that it is oxygenating it. Your body needs oxygen and needs to expel carbon dioxide. Hyperventilating can saturate your blood with oxygen and expel a lot of carbon dioxide. Those changes enable you to hold your breath for a longer time.
2. Don't take risks! Hof has done some dangerous things with cold environments. He may be genetically better able to handle cold than most of us are. If cold showers make you feel good, okay. But if you're not feeling good from them - don't do them. And don't do as he did, immersing himself in a tub of ice or running barefoot across fields of ice and snow.
Personally, for me, I found the best counter to Lupron side effects was exercise. I suggest that you try that because it's backed by some scientific research as well as personal testimonials. Anti-androgens are known to damage and weaken mitochondria, which are organelles inside our cells that use our food to generate ATP molecules that carry energy to our muscles and other organs. Exercise helps to restore the mitochondria, which helps us do all sorts of things that require energy.
If I were you I'd keep up your exercise. I might also try the things you describe - breathing exercises, cold, and meditation, but I wouldn't go hog wild on the breathing and cold as Wim Hof does. Don't hurt yourself. See what's actually helping and use it. Don't go for arbitrary goals like holding your breath for more and more time or standing more and more cold. Observe yourself and do only what you see is working, not what is making you suffer.
Best of luck.
Alan
Thanks for your input Alan, I appreciate it. I was already doing exercises before I added the Wim Hoff to the regimen. I did not know that ADT was causing damage to the mitochondria before you brought it up. That's counter-intuitive to me since Pr. Thomas Seyfried demonstrated that cancer is a matabolic disease caused by malfunctioning mitochondria rather than a genetic one by putting a mutated nucleus in a health cell and the cell remained healthy as it divided while the opposite happened when putting a normal nucleus in a cell with a bad mitochondria. So it seems odd to me that we're given a treatment (ADT) that damages even more mitochondria and hence increases our chances of having more cancer in that case. Every day I learn something new. Thanks.
I think the evidence for the theory that cancer is caused by mutated genes is pretty overwhelming. Other theories may offer some insights, but if they say that cancer is not a process of genetic mutation, I would find it very hard to take them seriously.
Molecular biology is a fascinating subject but it's very, very, very complicated. I think that rocket science must be easier. It's not easy for most of us to absorb the chemistry, biochemistry, and biology involved in understanding the subject and we are often tempted to accept simple theories because ... well ... they're simple.
Alan
Welcome back. I'm a newer member of this site and after participating in several exchanges with members there seems to be an a point in time where many men become frustrated with the available treatments and begin to pursue alternative treatments, albeit not exclusively. During this pursuit for alternative treatment they become inundated with these simple explanations for cancer and how doing this or taking this or eating this will ameliorate the situation. It's understandable given the dire situation we find ourselves in. I just hope they are not doing more harm than good.That and it seems to be a waste of the limited time we all have.
Well said. I agree.
Alan
Some people were most interested in hearing from you over the weekend. They were concerned since you had not been on this site for awhile.
I'll try to become more active again.