Arimidex for self-directed BAT

[cigafred]

Is there any point in taking Arimidex during low-testosterone periods, or is taking it just when testosterone is high sufficient? Of course one also follows E2, but for setting the initial course which approach is more sensible?

[Tall_Allen]

No point in taking it at all. Why would you want to destroy all estrogen?

[cigafred in reply to Tall_Allen]

Thank you sir. I am with those who consider an E-2 level of about 20 pg/ml desirable, and would plan to adjust as needed to achieve that. My last test was 20 exactly.

[Tall_Allen in reply to cigafred]

It doesn't make sense to me, but then again "self-directed BAT" doesn't make sense to me either.

[cigafred in reply to Tall_Allen]

Understood, I haven't jumped in yet, still hoping to persuade one of the experts to work with me.

[Tall_Allen in reply to cigafred]

Have you tried Oliver Sartor?

[cigafred in reply to Tall_Allen]

So far no response, but I have not been aggressive. I thought Schweizer was going to help, but when he learned I was not CR he indicated it was unlikely he would take me on for BAT.

[kaptank]

I think you should not take it during the low T phase as E2 drops as T drops. Supra T does cause a temporary spike in E2. If you are worried about it I would suggest start arimidex at the time of injection, stop after 10-14 days. It remains in the system for 4-6 days by which time E2 should be approaching more comfortable levels. I agree 20pg/ml is about right. The spike can go to 100. You don't want it to go down to 0.

I have not worried about it too much in my "BAT experiments" but I note that body builders who take large amounts of androgens over periods of time use it.

[George71 in reply to kaptank]

Kaptank,

If you don't mind please tell me what your T supplement program is. bi-ploar -- or super high T continuous? etc

[kaptank in reply to George71]

So far it has been BAT. I am suspicious of continuous supra T because not enough is known. Super hi continuous really needs careful management of E2. Body builders, who take enormous amounts continuously use arimidex and do very regular bloods.

I took intramuscular injection 400mg T-cypionate once a month until PSA started to rise then rechallenged with bicalutamide until PSA started to rise again (about 8 and 6 months), then tried to repeat. Less effect and shorter. After about 4 rinse and repeats (about 2 1/2 years) I concluded it had finally failed when there was a large spike in PSA. I had had a PSMA scan when I first started bicalutamide about 3 1/2 years before concluding all this. A new scan was very surprising - 2 lymph nodes had greatly reduced and the only other signal was a spot on a rib. My next PSA test the same time was also very surprising with a 60% reduction to what it had been. I have now zapped the mets and continue the bicalutamide. In light of that I will try an abridged form of BAT where I stop the bical for a month (to wash it out), then take a shot of T as above, then restart the bical about 10-14 days after that. Continue the bical for 2-3 months, then repeat. I have reported on most of this and the posts are on my profile. I can't draw any conclusions so far, PSA is stable and of course there are uncountable confounding factors such as the SBRT and too many supplements to mention.

[kaptank in reply to kaptank]

Oh, I didn't use arimidex and only took notice when I eventually got a blood test for E2 about 36 hours after an injection when T is max. Through the roof and beyond. It was OK a month later when T was low again. I don't know how significant E2 is with such transient hits of T as I am now doing.

[cigafred in reply to kaptank]

Very useful, thanks kaptank, I will review your earlier postings.

[pjoshea13]

There is no need to take Arimidex if E2 is not >20 ng/mL.

If T is high-normal, no need to take it unless E2>30 ng/mL, IMO.

-Patrick

[cigafred in reply to pjoshea13]

Thank you sir.