So I just got my Lupron shot, I’ve had nothing but bad experiences with the first 14-21 days following a shot. Unbelievable sweats..nausea..fatigue....last shot I REAllY thought I was dying...
Anyways I have been smoking since last June 1st, maybe a 1/4 of a joint at a time... really that was it.
Long story short..
I went on vacations for a week up to Badin lake NC. And had a bad night so I smoke an entire joint of this type called of cannabis called “blue haze”
I have not felt better, sleep better, eat better ... than before all this cancer BS.
I guess my question is there such a thing as a therapeutic THC blood level !?!? .... I mean holy crap a feel like a kids again...
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My wife had some cousins come to town and we had a get together! They had a vape pen and asked me if wanted some. Hadn’t touched pot since my son was born 44 years ago and my terms might show that!!! I gave it toke and really didn’t think I got much so then...... I really hit it!!! Like sucking a golfball through a garden hose!!!! Well, about 10 mins later, when I coughed up the last bone..... I felt phenomenal!!!!! They said that the vape was the highest THC percentage you could buy!!! Soon after I had my medical marijuana card but never really got into it!!! Didn’t cared for the stoned feeling that went with it!! It was one thing at a party but not all day!!! They say take THC oil drops before bed but by then my QoL vacation kicked in and I no longer need it!!!! Enjoy the ride how ever you can!!!
There probably is a therapeutic level, and it varies for each effect. I feel calmer and with altered perceptions long before pain relief kicks in. But generally, I don't care about the pain anymore.
I've also heard it's has biphasic effects. A little is calming, a lot makes you paranoid and feel like you're going to die. (Though the actual chance of death is very low)
Yea welcome to the Lupron world ... I’m going for my sixth, or so, 3 monther again this morning. Lupron SEs are the horrible chits for me, yuck yuck yuck. I’d almost rather jump in front of a buss. Ugh ...
Anyway , For the therapeutic level of THC, just smoke or eat it until you sink deep into your couch with color trails couchlock, or alternatively until you have to hide in your closet for a few hours .... that my brother is a “ therapeutic level “ yayahahahaya yayahahahaya.
I’m on the Kaiser “ opiate contract “ no thc for me ever again ....sadly.... I sure could use some now.
Most of my scans were scheduled for 1 hour and 10 minutes of table time ... like you said, up and down ... up and down, and you can see your bones on the overhead monitor. My last one was 5 minutes too and it was over. Most on my back but a couple on my side as well.
I think you should get with your radiology specialist and discuss this last scan that lasted only 5 minutes .... I don’t want to say more about that here. You should speak with your medical team tho first ... this might be a very important conversation. To your knowledge, what was your skeletal metastatic DX, if you feel ok talking about it.
I’m quite literally pa’ve with mets , specially in every joint in my body. I’ve been in biochemical remission for over 19 months now, but the damage is already done in many places in my body and is quite painful in places of dramatic damage. I expect to lose my left knee before long, for example. My ankles, feet , rib cage , spine and hands ... especially.
Sounds like things are progressing nicely , diagnostically, for you. The medical team seems to be doing very thorough work. Once they get everything they want to see and assemble all the info, they will get with you to discuss how they think is best to proceed. Feels like you are in good hands there. I think you can have confidence with that.
Life was not worth living when I was on Lupron, but medical cannabis was a huge help. I found that a 50/50 mix of tinctures, one THC, one CBD, worked best. These were fairly strong tinctures, 1 mg per drop, from a dispensary. Most tinctures are much weaker. 3-5 drops of each before bedtime helped a lot.
One of the things I like about the tincture is how easy it is to control the dose. One drop does nothing for me, 3-5 drops and I sleep well, 10 drops gets me high but not unpleasantly so.
I am vaguely reminded of the drug Soma, from Aldous Huxley's classic novel, Brave New World.
On the other hand, "whatever gets you through the night", and "mother's little helper", etc.
And there is no escaping that our very lives with advanced cancer are also inextricably entwined with relatively new and powerful medical invention and technology.
I wonder what kind of novel Huxley would have written in 2020 instead of 1931.
Most of us are indeed living in our own Brave New World now.
(Although I do recall that one of us one time imagined his "spirit animal" to be a cross between an Ostrich and Chicken! Ha. Ha.)
I have been recently diagnosed myself, 2 weeks out. I have been smoking and eating, and growing my own for yrs. I am wigging out still. Just had the bonescan, ct next week. meet the doc to review and see treatment options. Smoking the only thing keeping me sane. I keep seeing posts of guys peeing and pooping themselves for yrs. Damn. I am all about quality over quantity. I had testicular cancer 23 yrs ago, removed by left guy. I told my va doc I just dont want to play this game again. He said I was suicidal, I said no just practical. It was the worst 19 months of my life.
Hey Vetrep ! Thank you for sharing your story . We cried like babies my wife and I for those first two weeks . We think it’s over . It is not . This is an important start to you pc lifestyle ... I chopped my jewels off in 2017 to escape Lupron shots for life .. Glad that I did so...you’ve only one to go ,why not shut the factory down .? That’s what I did . I’d surely not tell another man what to do . This is your life . You’ve already suffered 19 yrs ..😫 . You can deal with this . Staying positive and not suicidal will help . I had those thoughts myself during my initial two years of fun . I’m in remission for over four years now . I m still on a pill form of adt that wacks me out pretty good . It all boils down to if you want to live bad enough to endure much suffering and yourself greatly diminished then you will survive . All we have to do with advanced prostate to die is to stop fighting . It will do the rest . End stage can be a brutal scenario for many of us . I say hit it hard now and try to get into the clear zone along with many of us here . Some have lived decades past much worse diagnosis . This is a battle with an enteral enemy . I’m one that thinks by feeding yourself with good things like diet and exercise along with the medical treatments you can survive with APC for a good long time . They told me initially I’d be gone in no more than 36 months . Drs don’t know it all . We can do better than our chances given . Keeping smiling and active and out of self loathing and stress .. That is healing . I can’t tell you that ADT or castration is fun ..we get run down pretty well ,but you must cling to your reasons to live . I’m sorry that you’re here.. I know exactly how that feels . We have some geniuses onboard here that can answer any tech questions for you . Good job finding us early on . We will tell you what the Drs won’t . Most of us are living with this dreaded man eating disease . Talk to us . We can relate ..a normal guy can not . Welcome Vetrep , be strong when you’re at your weakest and survive this with the rest of us . Life is worth living . Cling to your reasons . I’m pulling for you .. You can do this . Scott🌵
Keep your bodybuilding going . It can save you from serious osteo issues. So keep rolling amigo . Never give up never give in . It ain’t over til the fat lady sings. Hang in there dude. ✌️
Well kinda .... if I want opiates, I have to sign a contract to not use a lot of things, cannabis first on the list. I’m Blood tested monthly with random urine tests as well. Lucky me I have mets literally in every joint in my body, .... I’m in biochemical remission but the damage already done in many dry painful places. No opiates isn’t an option. Whatever ...
Also, I’m tested for opiates concentration....making sure I’m using them as prescribed and not using them improperly , using too many, selling them etc. Yayahahahaya I think it’s a kinda if you can use less ( lower blood concentrations) , you can do with smaller prescriptions as well. It’s both a state and especially Federal thing here. Kaiser only gives you 7 vikes after surgery nowadays ... they used to hand them out like candy, now it’s almost impossible to get them unless you are palliative or hospice care.
Are you in a medical facility or prison? Mind your own fucking business comes to mind..... I guess you are an adult and don't need to be told what you need to do...
My choice is to give up the cancer treatment that is keeping me alive or to give up cannabis. Both the Federal government and the state of California have dramatic programs in place to battle the opioid crisis. Every single opioid prescription is closely monitored and tracked .... The government is severely punishing doctors and institutions that prescribe opiates outside the new very strict guidelines. Medical facilities and doctors both have to show strong accounting of where the opiates go and strong monitoring of the people receiving them. This includes forcing people that receive them to sign a “ opiate “ contract and subject yourself to close monitoring. They make you keep an anti-overdose kit on hand as well ( Narcan sprayer ) .
The only people that can receive multiple refills of opiates or larger amounts of them ( like over 7 pills at once ) are stage 4 cancer patients, palliative care and hospice patients. Refills aren’t generally permitted for other patients at all, not without the contract and the contract isn’t given out that much.
If I violate the contract , my opiate prescriptions are immediately terminated and , usually, you are expelled from membership of the coverage plan. Currently Kaiser spends about $23,000 a month to keep me alive.
To be fair .... I guess .... I do certainly receive a large supply of opiates monthly from kaiser and considering the addictive properties and dangers of opiates, close monitoring is prudent medical practice. I don’t want to say how many opiates I receive monthly but in a new world where ( say ) Vicodin’s and dilaudid are nearly Impossible to get legally / medically ( in reference to the past where they were handed out like candy ) .... basically non existent, I receive plenty of them. Kaiser is going the extra mile to try to help me be as comfortable as possible in what remains of my time here.
Things have changed a lot in recent times I guess ...
Peace and thankee brother ... I’m right there with you.
If you can dream it ? You can do it? That’s how it used be. Now dreams take on greater meaning. Now I dream of daily happiness for us and no more suffering in the world . The kids could turn this planet around. The problem is inherited hatred and prejudice from their fathers. As long as hatred exist there with be no good changes on the planet. I’d bet that you farming oasis is warming up now.
Nsiads are ok if you use them sparingly .... they eat holes your stomach and cause my liver enzymes to rise too high if I use them very long. My cancer damage pain is never going to go away and nsaids are far too weak to remotely deal with that level of pain. at times opiates are barely able, not even my” break thru “ pain med dilaudid at times and it’s 5X more powerful than morphine.
You are very lucky if your discomfort is so easily managed.
It sounds like cannabis wouldn't work well enough for the level of pain you are having at times otherwise you could tell Kaiser to f-off.
They are forcing you to choose between the two which totally sucks and makes me angry whenever I read something about that. I'm really hoping to be able to use both, but may not be able to. But I guess if you have to choose and have really severe pain, you have to choose the stronger meds. Pisses me off.
Well I hear that loud and clear ... they feed you all the “ gather your loved ones, settle your affairs and enjoy life to the max “ crap over and over ( got that lecture 3 times now ) then they systematically try to take away all the good things you have left yayahahahaya even the opiates ... I got a televisit with a nurse a couple days ago that grilled me about how many opiates I really needed, looking to Shrink my prescriptions. I asked her if she had a copy of my latest bone scan there in front of her and directed her attention to several places of jaw dropping damage. She moved on quickly yayahahahaya. Felt like asking her ... “ how do you spell PALLIATIVE ? For craps sake, I’m speeding , careening even, down Croakers Lane ... jump back jack ..... huh ? Yayahahahaya yayahahahaya
It's too early to get health practitioners to take marijuana seriously when the conservative element in the Health Industry will be years away from endorsing the use of THC/CBD. We will not see scientific research with government money until society sees evidence based research coming from more progressive nations. So we are on our own Dean. Try Cannabis Tincture THC/CBD 1:1. You won't be impaired with less than 3 drops but you will sleep like a baby if you take it an hour after dinner. Experiment - no one of authority will be doing it for us.
Yes it is truest answer , i ate more yesterday than probably any day in the last 2 years........I have no idea , why or how this is happening. But the ONLY thing that has changed is the amount of cannabis i smoke.....thats it......poof.....i am 45 again..no pains.... no SWEATS...OR night sweats......vision...better.....
You’d better acquire that while you can since it’s working so well for you . It really is strain specific to which strains effect each one of of differently .. I need a heavy indica to calm my storm.. peace Dean 🍀
Maintenance levels for medical cannabis do exist, although it could be deemed as controversial, in terms of quantity and consensus.
Assuming someone is taking a medical-cannabis tincture for chronic pain, typically, you are looking at two doses of 1 - 1 1/2 ml - daily (rated strength = 20 %).
The CBD ratio to THC varies, depending on the client (some want no CBD at all) but I believe I can state that the two (CBD +THC) tend to complement each other where the ratio is 2 : 1 or greater.
Most 'smoked' pot you get from varied sources will likely have little to no CBD content.
Some prefer a higher concentration of THC for insomnia.
Smoking pot is not the same as consuming edibles, tinctures or oils and the effect can be much longer in duration and more targeted in the usage for medical relief .....
'Blue Haze' huh? I've had my medical marijuana card for 3 years now. I've had Blue Dream and Double Dream but no Blue Haze. Some of my faves are Wedding Cake, Do Si Do's, Moose and Lobsta (sic). I don't over do it but I do feel like a kid in a candy store when I visit the local dispensary. I voted for medical marijuana in my state years ago and prior to my diagnosis thinking that I might benefit from it some day. That some day is now.
Go for it....My MO said better THC than opiates.... I Don't smoke but use a Tincture, 9mg THC / 1 mg CBD.
I’m on the daily dose of high Thc just for the same reasons . Don’t ever plan to do without . Personally, I and millions of people follow And believe in the healing properties of canaby .I like Rick Simpson believe that the high Thc is key . There are many naysayers .. each to their own . Keep feeling good ..
Im like u ....i litterly chng in the drs office when i get shot....and im on 4th year...and the nxtv3 weeks are hell....dr evem comments that he hasnt seen likes of me...so im hitting the vape stick as soon as i leave office ...yes i believe dosage matters but i like sativa ....i keep a steady buzz all da time ....i am also on erleada...and i swear...my memory is down to only shit as it happens anything else is like a dream...qol is getting where it sux....enjoy the kid feeling...and hey ...dont bogart that joint my friend.....peace b.w.
Have a bite of homemade cannabis cookie (heavy THC) every night at 2030 (always have CBD oil ready to counter it if I accidentally take too much), and sleep 6-8 hours non-stop...after 15 years of sleeping in two-hour increments. During the day, I take CBD oil once or twice to keep myself bathed in cannabis just in case cannabis is actually doing the apoptosis thing.
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