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A new study below [1].

I think that a lot of men on ADT are concerned about the impact on brain function. Is the decline permanent?

One of the problems with ADT is the emergence or worsening of symptoms of the metabolic syndrome. Many men develop a pre-diabetic condition, if not type 2 diabetes itself. Certainly insulin resistance.

There are over 400 papers on PubMed for <Alzheimer's[title] diabetes[title]>. This is from one in April [2]:

"The brain is an organ in which energy metabolism occurs most intensively and glucose is an essential and dominant energy substrate. There have been many studies in recent years suggesting a close relationship between type 2 diabetes mellitus (T2DM) and Alzheimer's disease (AD) as they have many pathophysiological features in common. The condition of hyperglycemia exposes brain cells to the detrimental effects of glucose, increasing protein glycation and is the cause of different non-psychiatric complications. Numerous observational studies show that not only hyperglycemia but also blood glucose levels near lower fasting limits (72 to 99 mg/dL) increase the incidence of AD, regardless of whether T2DM will develop in the future. As the comorbidity of these diseases and earlier development of AD in T2DM sufferers exist, new AD biomarkers are being sought for etiopathogenetic changes associated with early neurodegenerative processes as a result of carbohydrate disorders." [2]

From the new paper:

"Large-scale life span neuroimaging datasets show functional communication between brain regions destabilizes with age, typically starting in the late 40s, and that destabilization correlates with poorer cognition and accelerates with insulin resistance. Targeted experiments show that this biomarker for brain aging is reliably modulated with consumption of different fuel sources: Glucose decreases, and ketones increase the stability of brain networks." [1]

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"Our data provide evidence that, starting at around the age of 47 y, the stability of brain networks begins to degrade with age, with the most dramatic changes occurring around the age of 60 y. Since glucose hypometabolism remains one of the hallmark clinical features of dementia and its prodrome, we hypothesized that the network destabilization seen with aging might reflect the earliest stages of latent metabolic stress. Thus, we tested whether diets with different energetic yield might modulate network stability even in a younger population expected to be decades prior to any overt symptoms of age-based cognitive impairment. While glucose is normally considered to be the brain’s default fuel, β-hydroxybutyrate metabolism increases by 27% the Gibbs free energy change for ATP compared to glucose. Consistent with that advantage, our results showed that even in younger (<50 y) adults, dietary ketosis increased overall brain activity and stabilized functional networks."

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In previous posts, I have discussed the paradox in PCa that elevated glucose levels do not increase the risk of PCa, but elevated insulin does. Diabetics (poor glucose control) have a lower risk of PCa once the pancreatic beta cells that produce insulin begin to burn out.

Many of us have some degree of insulin resistance at diagnosis. The body responds by producing higher levels of insulin (akin to talking louder to a deaf person).

A Mediterranean diet (40% fat) has been proven to be heart-healthy (another concern of PCa patients, who have a higher rate of cardio events even without ADT). And now it seems that low-fat / high-carb diets are to be avoided, due to the physical deterioration that results in cognitive decline.

{Skim through the full paper, there are lots of interesting bits.)

-Patrick

[1] ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

[2] pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/323...

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When I did a low-carb, low-protein keto diet for three months last summer, I experienced a (much-needed) 20% loss of body weight, as well a PSA drop (from 20 to 13) with no medical treatment.

Mentally, I felt sharper and experienced less depression and anxiety. I attributed this not just to possible metabolic influences, but more to the fact that I had kicked my "drug" of choice: the simple carbs of flour, sugar, chips and fries and beers.

But yes, I'm back to being a junkie. Abstaining from booze for three years a decade ago was, for me, far easier than abstaining from junk food for three months. Help?

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noahware

RE: "a lot of men on ADT are concerned about the impact on brain function [and] the emergence or worsening of symptoms of the metabolic syndrome"

My understanding is that a big part of this is loss of E2, not of T itself. That is why I am pursuing anti-androgen monotherapy in my first go at hormonal therapy (and would also consider high-dose estrogen). Also why it would seem to make sense to add low-dose estrogen to the standard ADT regime?

I wonder if and when the mainstream SOC will move away from imposing these problems on men, or at least be more proactive in including more and better ways to address them.

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LearnAll in reply to noahware

Agree...Estradiol does play a big role. We need to find out if this heart risk and thrombosis risk is overblown or not ?

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2dee

I "feel" that my cognitive capabilities have badly deteriated.

I'm 77 now so docs, all younger, kind of roll their eyes. I can't stop ADT to see if I return to a vibrant multi-tasker since my PSA now gaining a point a week and accelerating.

I just have to feel plain stupid.

2Dee

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pjoshea13 in reply to 2dee

Would you describe your diet as high carb (low fat)? If so, you could switch to a Med diet (40% fat) to see if that helps cognitively.

You are not stupid. PCa is stupid.

-Patrick

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2dee in reply to pjoshea13

I don't adhere to any named diet.

20 years ago when heart was bad, had 5 way bypass, etc., I did through out all cans, boxes and switched to fresh. At that time I eliminated all dairy, all wheat, all salt, meat, chicken, and most fish. As time went on I "thought" that some special diet would help reduce my chances of cancer and other diseases. Though I was pretty strict, I thought, in 2018 Dx stage 4, 1300+ PSA, extreme pain, lost 55# from 215, weakened down to near 0. Obviously diet didn't really help with cancer though I must have been healthier than some. I then dropped any added sugar, ate mostly fresh veggies, beans, some brown rice.

My wife a wonderful cook and really tried to restrict my intake and make some pretty bland stuff interesting.

Started ADT Lupron. I attended some presentations and maybe I kind of follow the Mediterranean concept but lately though I haven't fallen completely off the wagon, at 77 I kind of feel that diet may not really help ME so starting to add in some tasty stuff now and then. What the heck lately my PSA has begun a sharp and quick rise and I will be adding Xtandi when all approvals are in and I can get it to a cost I can maybe start to afford.

I'm thinking about BBQ ribs. Maybe QoL has become more important as time is shorter.

I do note that my mind and memory started failing and changing rapidly with the ADT. Maybe coincidence, maybe just old age? Lots of difficulty holding focus on more than one thing now. Can forget within a couple of steps where I was going and why. Tougher to do projects now for sure.

But its all fun now. Whoopiiiiiieeee.

2Dee

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pjoshea13 in reply to 2dee

BBQ fits into my version of the Med Diet. LOL -Patrick

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middlejoel

Patrick, the technical discussion of this posting is way over my head. What I get from your comments is that a 40% fat diet might be best for us guys that have heart issues as well as PCa. That would be me. I believe that my diet now consist of a fat content higher than 40%, could that be a problem? I am soon to be 84 years old and otherwise considered to be in very good health with the exception of terrible cognitive issues that have changed my life during the past 2-3 years.

jal

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pjoshea13 in reply to middlejoel

Joel,

The paper suggests that a very low carb diet would be best. I think that some would be put off by 'ketogenic diet' but feel that a Med diet was doable. My feeling is that we should aim for a minimum of 40% & that higher could be desirable. Easy to do with nuts in the diet.

(84 years old! From your posts I thought you were much younger. The cognitive issues aren't showing.)

Best, -Patrick

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middlejoel in reply to pjoshea13

Thanks Patrick, I guess I will continue with my diet that is mainly healthy fats like beans, nuts, avocados and some fish along with healthy carbs like broccoli, peppers and other light-airy vegs,

jal

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pjoshea13 in reply to middlejoel

Sounds appetizing to me! -P.

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PhilipSZacarias

Quite informative! Cheers, Phil

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