I have the same thing every day for breakfast . . . a small bowl of steel cut oatmeal with lots of walnuts and 3-6 raspberries, depending on size. I use 2 oz of dry oatmeal plus 3.2 oz of water and cooked until it's dry. This is consistent with my standard diet that has slowed my cancer progression. Note (1), it's not a cure for cancer nor is it likely to work for aggressive cancers. Note (2), I'm not allowed to say it "stopped" my cancer progression, even though my PSA is lower now than it was 2 years ago.
Here what happens when I deviate from the above:
1. If I soak the oatmeal over night . . . diet no longer works.
2. If I cook the oatmeal with much more water . . . diet no longer works.
3. If I add over 4 oz of almond milk . . . diet no longer works.
4. If I add extra fruit, say 15 -20 blueberries or blackberries . . . diet no longer works.
5. If I add some blender mixture of vegetables and fruit . . . diet no longer works.
In each case, when I reverse the change that killed the diet, the diet, once again, is working.
Each change I made seems to heighten the insulin "spike" response to the meal, and seems to enhance cancer growth.
This is my working hypothesis anyways, until I can replace it with a better one.
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LearnAll, the nuts that I eat are walnuts, pecans, almonds, brazil nuts and very few cashews. But it's likely just the fat content that softens the insulin response. I have no argument to support walnuts over others, except that they are working for me. They make up about 80% of my total nut consumption.
Just give me the names of 3 foods which worked best and lowered your PSA most.
I read a study about mice fed on walnuts and had slow progression of cancer due to special type of phytosterols in Walnuts. But Walnuts also have high Vit E. .its confusing.
A diet that works for me must include raspberries and soy. When I removed these (one at a time), a good diet turned bad . . . and return to a good diet once these foods were put back in. I have lots of sulforaphane foods but haven't tested for removal. Also, I have lots of spices and herbs, but have tested them one at a time.
Highly important is controlling insulin and iron spikes in getting the diet to work for me.
There is some controversial info about soy ..so I was not sure to add it in my diet We know that Soy has phytoestrogens and that estrogens are good to slow bone weakening effects of Lupron.
I am planning to add soy to my diet..If anyone had negative experience with Soy, please let me know. Thanks in advance.
"There is some controversial info about soy" . . . which was the reason that I removed soy completely from my diet. The diet crashed, so now I have some soy everyday.
However, I do not know if this is good advice for all prostate cancers, I'm just relaying my personnel experience.
Interesting that POM has not negatively effected my PSA. It was a neutral . . didn't help and didn't hurt. It's the only "sweet" food that I will allow.
Cashless Clay...I truly appreciate your efforts to find kinds of foods which lower PSA. Our medical scietists should be doing this kind of research. Sadly they are slaves of Onco industrial complex and only obsessed with Chemo, Radiations and extremely costly meds.....
It will be such a great service to humanity that people like you find out real connection with different foods and their effect on cancer progression. Keep it up..my friend !
My urologist assured me that there is no clinical evidence to support the slowing of cancer through diet and/or exercise. The most I could get out of him is that he wouldn't mind if I ate healthy. My second urologist wouldn't respond to my question on the efficacy of diets, but when pushed, he admitted that he has patients who have been successful using a diet approach.
The urologists are afraid of legal problems just like other doctors. If he says that healthy diet helps slowing prostate cancer and one of his litigious patient does not get better and comes with his greedy lawyers to sue the doctor saying its Doctor's fault and he mislead me. Fear is deep rooted in American Doctors and they do not want to take stress of unscrupulous lawsuits. My uro has PCA and he is very interested in my dietary and supplement interventions but only talks to me about these topics when out of his office ….He was fascinated when I gave him copy of research article about cholera vaccine boosting immunity and slowing prostate cancer. In professional settings, all doctors become standard of care parrots.
The soy milk gives me gas . I don’t use it .i prefer hemp or almond milk . Take it easy cashless . 💪
I am with you on this one . So are naturalpathic onocologist . I used to eat a bowl of oatmeal with brown sugar added before bed . I now know that It was a pure sugar rush . I quit cold turkey all processed sugar and foods completely for two year s . I went into remission after my first adt shot and 8 weeks radiation ... I’m a believer in nutrition and diet keeping us here longer. Also making me feel better while here . I do understand that once in a while almost anything is ok for us . Eating much sugar is bad for everything . Not just cancer .. but as one fine fellow says ,two scoops of chocolate chip are called for . That darn Ali was a childhood hero of mine . He spoke his mind and woke up a lot of racist . Great handle .. This site is seriously divided on diet and nutrition . A lot of guys just don’t want to stop eating anything bad . I understand it in a way . But I will choose nature methods as much as possible . Organic is best . We all have opinions ..
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Ketosis start after 1-2 days of dry fasting (2-3 days of water fasting) by what is called an acidose crisis, this is when the body switches from glucagon to ketosis. Ketosis (fat decomposition) produce H20 so that explain why someone can stay on dry fast (no liquid) for 5 days because burning your own fat feed your metabolism with organic water...
And people think that 3 days without drinking kills... this is not true at all !
I seriously doubt that any specific food or product can trigger ketosis, because the body has to use all available glucogen before going there. its not the first choice !
Thumbs up for oatmeal...! I'm not as rigorous, but I have organic oatmeal with one scoop plant protein, walnuts, flaxseed, amino supplement, topped with 1/3 banana, and almond milk. Every other day, I substitute Grapenuts for oatmeal.
Indeed, high insulin levels are associated with PCa progression...
[I] "The hyperinsulinemia that often results from androgen deprivation therapy (ADT)—a standard prostate cancer treatment—is “associated with increased tumor aggressiveness and faster treatment failure.” A study published this summer looking at prostate cancer cells in vitro reported for the first time some potential mechanisms by which insulin makes these cells more invasive and mobile and proposes that a greater understanding of strategies to lower insulin levels—such as through diet and/or drugs could “improve both quality of life and overall survival” and may also have direct anti-cancer effects by inhibiting prostate cancer cell proliferation.
It’s reasonable to speculate that hyperinsulinemia—however it’s induced, be it via ADT or through a poor diet and other lifestyle factors—may have the same negative effects on cellular signaling. The ADT issue aside, this is not unique to prostate cancer. Metabolic syndrome—essentially, chronically elevated insulin—is strongly associated with breast cancer recurrence and worse outcomes after treatment, which has led researchers to question the conventional dietary advice for cancer patients, particularly when they’re undergoing or are recovering from treatment, which may include suggestions to consume anything that will help maintain or restore body weight without regard for the sugar or carbohydrate content or the effect of this on insulin levels. Insulin also appears to make pancreatic cancer more aggressive and invasive, and may contribute to development of colon cancer and greater mortality from liver cancer."[/I]
I don't understand why people gain weight on ADT. The law of conservation of mass states that mass in an isolated system is neither created nor destroyed by chemical reactions or physical transformations. So if you stick to eat for 1500 calorie per day for example, there is nothing in the universe that can make you gain weight.... The problem though is that for many people their appetite follow the curve of insuline in their blood. They are "addicted" to insuline.
If ADT make more people hungry, then this will produce the result you mentionned on the PSA. My father was on ADT from his 85 to 90 years old, he gained 50 pounds... i cried over him eating like 3 construction workers every day....
Dee, Dx is 2006 biopsy (4+3), early 2007 surgery (3+3), 2011 radiation, PSADT 7 months after both surgery and radiation.
My lunch and dinner are the same. I start with a large plate of raw vegetables with hummus. I add turmeric, black pepper, rosemary, oregano, and parsley to the hummus. The vegetables are red and sweet onions, cucumber, and tomatoes for 1/3 the plate, broccoli, broccoli sprouts, , cauliflower, red peppers, carrots and mixed beans for 1/2, and kale, three olives for the remainder.
After that I have some vegan dishes, soup, or perhaps (wild caught) salmon. For this part, PSA appears to be insensitive to which dish I choose, as long as I keep iron and insulin in mind. So, that means no potatoes, bread, white rice, and no clams, mussels or oysters.
I finish with a very small bowl of mary's crackers (5) and a 2-3 oz of nuts.
Hopefully organic oatmeal as much oatmeal recently tested contains high levels of roundup herbicide which is applied right before harvest as a "dessicant" so the oats require energy to dry. ewg.org/childrenshealth/gly...
Interesting discussion. A lot of people here have become Pca experts (not by choice) but not so many can talk about their lifelong experimentation of the correct meal to support the body. And this experimentation can then be translated into the Pca journey where i'm sure it can help either to modulate the response of adjuvant or to better support surgery, RT and hormonal therapy.
I personnaly believe that the best breakfast is not to have a breakfast, that is to fast until noon. The body is much more than capable to support no food for 16-18 hours. And then have 2 meals one a lunch (noon) and another one at supper (6-8 pm). And fasting a least 3 days per month just to rebalance appetite. For the figure I have almost the same weight and shape at 59 that i had at 25. And more important the same energy- which is the divine power to do so many things in a day with enthusiasm. I'm mostly vegetarian but don't refuse a steak every 3-4 months.
In the inner circle of the alimentation gurus it is know than the median absorption rate of food (from mouth to the cells) is about 15 % of what we eat. The remainder goes into the toilet. And a slight variation of the absorption capacity by the micro biote of the intestine can led to either over alimentation or under alimentation. Many people just throw away the food they eat... and are still in "malnutration level of vitamins, probiotics, protein, aminoacids and so on".
I admire the experiment you have done with nutrition and PSA and can only encourage you to continue. For my part, prior to my RARP i did fast 5 days before surgery and saw the PSA going from a steady 18 to 13 - no doctor could explain that... and then it went back to 17 at the next measurement. This made me believe that altough many medical studies have discarded the link between Pca and nutrition, there is still some need for Pca cells to eat to survive like any other cells. So if in the body there is an abundance of food ressource, then all cells will benefit. If in the body there is just enough food to support the daily metabolism then there is a competition. What you do with your diet is keeping the Pca cells in a lack of equilibrium and this put them at disadvantage. There is a lot to learn from your experiences and many others that we could do.
Nutritional research for cancer patients is puzzling to me. So much done, so little learned. My baseline diet is cancer neutral. PSA stays the same. When I make a change in the diet, it shows up in PSA. I believe I control the diet to such an extent that I can tell if the dietary change is positive, negative or neutral. All studies that I have seen are not using a cancer neutral diet, because they have never seen one. A given food maybe helpful to a diet, but they can't see that because it is masked by the negative aspects of the diet. No food will turn around a poor diet. There are no magic bullets when it come to food. It takes many foods working together as well as the absence of negative foods.
You are propagating nonsense! You have absolutely NO scientific support for your wild claims, which at best are antidotal. As you can see from the comments, you are stoking fear and false hopes that there is magic pill, food or whatever, and for you to state that your diet is reversing your cancer's progress is irresponsible-in my view, and dangerous.
FOR THE RECORD, there is NO scientific support that any diet can stop or cure prostate cancer, and although a more healthy diet can assist the body to deal with medical treatments, no diet can do what you are claiming. I suggest you think about what harm that you are creating with those who come to this site seeking guidance.
billyboy, My PSA's for this year are 0.442, 0.435, 0.416, 0.427, 0.424, 0.431 and 0.415. These are all lower than my PSA two years ago. My claim is that I have slowed/stopped progression for me. This is supported by 7 years of empirical data. How would you describe it? I have no knowledge on how well it will work for cancer patients in general.
billyboy, This is not a static system. All tests have carefully controlled changes, unless I'm doing a repeatability test. That test is done when you want to recheck a significant finding. The PSA values above are not variations for a fixed diet. When they went up it was because I eased up on the diet, perhaps to added some iron or vitamin B12. When they went down, it was because I tighten up on the diet.
I eat a balanced diet, mediteranian diet with little red meat, no nitrates ,veg's and fruit. I still have the prostate but did chemo and ADT with lupron, still have limited dairy and limit the sugar. Use honey and agave as sweetners , just can not give up occasional ice cream, limit wine/beer to one serving once a week or once every 2 weeks . Glad you are doing good , happy holidays.
I'm having that same problem.... yesterday while a nurse was leading me from an MRI room to a CAT SCAN room... she saw the way I walk and asked me if I were drunk. I was not drunk....or drinking adult beverages... or on the weed.
Nice to start the day off with a laugh. Remember when the thought of a blood test would have made my gonads tighten. Now the new normal, and I don't have any gonads anyway. Always amused when I'm asked "Left side, or right side?" Always tempted to grab the needle and stab myself in the left eye and say we can stab the right one next time. Considering the medieval procedures some here, yourself included, have described, I have been lucky, "so far". As long as we have choices, we are still in the game. I'll take pepperoni.
Your just speaking nonsense and I have no more time to spend on your crap. You can do whatever you want, but you have NO right to adversely affect the lives of others living with PC by slinging out this as having some truth and fact behind it, on a site like this, where men and their families come for advice and treatment options.
If your readings are correct, you either never had PC, or you were cured during some scientific treatment process. Your playing games and I hope Darryl removes you from this site. Minor changes in psa can occur from a change in diet is true, as it is also true that psa readings are not exact, and can change from reading to reading, over a short period of time. I personally worked with Dr. Murphy, who was the co-discoverer of the psa test and he would be appalled that someone is attempting to use this test as you have described.
Further, just from what is left behind after surgery coupled with other gland production, you will continue to get psa readings. If you had advanced PC, your psa would rise over time, if lucky with a low grade disease, much slower than the more aggressive strains.
I do not believe that your PC has remained stagnant for seven years on diet alone, as you claim. Your readings support this, not that your magic formula has magically kept you alive.
I repeat, there is cure for advanced prostate cancer once it has spread. NO known treatment can cure a man of it at that stage. NO fancy or made up diet of any kind, will keep the cancer from spreading at some point.
Healthy living and diet can play a considerable role in extending one's life, but NOT by itself. Please, those who read this, keep to the scientific treatments, add whatever you want, but do NOT create a mindset that diet will cure you or keep your cancer away for any extended period of time, and cause you to refuse or ignore real medical treatments.
The only person who brings up the word "cure" is you.
The only person who talks about "abandoning scientific methods" is you.
I have no medical background. But I do have two engineering degrees and thirty six years as a weapons system analyst. I had the position of technical director and have given "expert testimony" to congress multiple times. I can recognize nonsense when I see it.
I think I can tell if my cancer is being contained by diet or not. I the seven years of taking data and bad diets have resulted in a PSADT that match my pre-diet value. I have seen this on ten occasions. This doesn't happen by chance. Also the PSAs totally track diet changes. They go up when they should and down when they should. The odds of this happening by chance is well over 1000 to 1.
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