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VIROTHERAPY - very interesting!

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From the second article:

"Clinical trials undertaken at the Mayo Clinic are reporting an unlikely weapon in the fight against cancer — the measles virus.

Experts have long known the fact that getting infected with the measles can sometimes trigger a spontaneous reduction in the size of tumors, but recent clinical trials conducted at the Mayo Clinic have shown just what a powerful weapon the little virus can actually be.

In a trial carried in 2014, a strong dose of the measles virus was prescribed to late-stage cancer patient putting her into long-term remission.

This terminally ill woman had undergone every type of chemotherapy available as well as two stem cell transplants, only to relapse again and again.

She was diagnosed with advanced multiple myeloma, a deadly blood cancer that spread throughout her body and bone marrow when experts offered her a last-ditch resort — a heavy dose of the measles.

Within 5 minutes, she got an intense headache and a fever of 105, accompanied by vomiting and shaking.

Within the first 36 hours of the treatment, a golf ball size tumor on her forehead had gone, and within two weeks there was no cancer detectable in her body."

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HOPEFULSPOUSE

So interesting! Thank you for sharing.

I would be interested to know what part “fever therapy” may have played in the cure.

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FCoffey

What I found interesting is that she had complete remission. It was such a dramatic response that the treating physician set up a company to commercialize this treatment. They did a bunch of clinical trials.

"And we did not get another Stacy.”

It's been 5 years. The start-up firm has switched to another virus, one that most Americans have not been exposed to.

There are miracle cures, but as in this case there just aren't that many miracles.

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SuppWife in reply to FCoffey

From the second article:

“Cancer treatment using viruses is not a new approach. Mayo Clinic researchers say “virotherapy” has been used successfully on thousands of cancer patients, but this is the first case where a patient with cancer spread throughout her body had gone into remission.”

The woman who had run out of treatment options then went into complete remission indeed was an extraordinary case, so far, but this still looks like a worthwhile avenue for further study. I find it very interesting and exciting.

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FCoffey in reply to SuppWife

I agree completely. I've been taking virotherapy the past 6 months.

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sammamish in reply to FCoffey

What kind of virotherapy?

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FCoffey in reply to sammamish

Rigvir

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Bjry

Virus therapies have a long history - check the career of William Coley (1862 - 1936).

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Jongilorun0

Im interested in the details of this miraculous treatment as Im afraid to take cancer tests of all sorts that my GP has been inviting me for . I dont know whats inside my body and yet I fear a diagnosis because by experience black men I see getting diagnosis dont last a year

Can you help with the details , will give me ideas what to request

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hansjd

I'd be interested in knowing which two Malaria drugs you mean. Thanks

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jerigroves

My husband had whole body hyperthermia at Klinik St Georg in Germany in November, and he has no sign of colon or liver cancer based on his latest scans. In addition, his PSA dropped from 38.5 to 3 immediately after the hyperthermia, and now he's at 0.1. Currently we are in British Columbia having two more rounds of whole body hyperthermia, as well as local/regional hyperthermia and here they added the cholera vaccine prior to the WBH as well as mistletoe therapy. The measles vaccine was just the mechanism to induce a high fever, but it's the high fever that kills the cancer, I think.

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dentaltwin

There is quite a bit of research related to "oncolytic viruses"--viruses, sometimes altered, that destroy tumor cells. There was a story a couple of years back on "60 minutes" about altered poliovirus being used on glioblastoma at Duke University (you can probably find that online). A more general discussion here:

cancer.gov/news-events/canc...

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FCoffey

It's not alternative medicine, it is competitive medicine, and since medicine in the US is a monopoly, they have a visceral hatred for competition.

Rigvir was developed in a facility that had been doing oncolytic virus research for decades. It went through the clinical trial stages and got the Latvian equivalent of the FDA's approval.

What isn't mentioned is the timing. Rigvir was approved in 1988; the Soviet Union, which included Latvia, collapsed the next year. As part of the collapse the funding for virus research was drastically reduced.

Not everything is on the internet. Sometimes you have to go to dusty old libraries, especially for things published prior to the widespread use of the internet in the 21st century.

Most of the Rigvir papers are in Russian and won't show up in a PubMed search, or any internet search. There's a lot of Russian science that never made it out of the Soviet Union, and will never be on the internet.

I talked to some of the researchers at that Latvian virus research center. Their English was excellent. Then I talked to some US virologists, who told me the center and the people I talked to were legit but starved for resources.

Rigvir was tested in clinical trials, and approved. That tells me that it is at least fairly safe. As to how effective it is, that's hard to say. What has been well-established in modern studies of immunotherapies like Provenge is that they don't often lower PSA or shrink tumors. But men who get treated with Provenge live noticeably longer than similar men who don't.

What helped me make the decision to try Rigvir was an editorial in the Journal of the American Medical Association published in November 2018.

sci-hub.tw/10.1001/jama.201...

Vaccines as an Integral Component of Cancer Immunotherapy

It reviews the present status of the field and is worth reading. What caught my eye was this statement:

"Preclinical studies are revealing that the hallmark of an effective immuno-oncology strategy for cold tumors is the use of multiple immuno-oncological agents to target different components of the immune system."

Prostate cancer is a "cold" tumor, meaning there aren't a lot of T-cells inside the tumor.

I don't expect Rigvir to cure my cancer. I don't expect a cure, period. But the only harm Rigvir did was to my bank account, and that is no one's business but mine. It may help me live longer but that's impossible to prove - just as it is impossible to prove that any particular man who takes Provenge lives longer. Rigvir might be one component of an effective immuno-oncology therapy, and I definitely want to incorporate immune therapies and viral therapies into my program.

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holly440 in reply to FCoffey

Hello FCoffey would you be willing to share how Rigvir has helped or not helped you ? My 37 year old sister has been diagnosed w Multiple Myeloma, I have been told Rigvir does not help cancers such as MM but I have personally talked to someone that said it put her stage 3 Myeloma back into smoldering and kept it there for 3 years with no conventional treatment done for those three years. I know this is an old thread but I would really appreciate it if you could share your experience with the virotherapy. Thank you so much.

Holly from Ohio

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jerigroves

I can't say. We didn't know about Canada until after we went to Germany. In Germany, you're under general anesthesia. In Canada, you're not, so you're painfully aware of the fever. The equipment is the same. We found out about Dr. Parmar in Ft. Langley, BC from our naturopathic oncologist in Denver, Jacob Schor. Seemed like a better option b/c we could drive up from Colorado and stay in hotel vs. 3 weeks in the hospital at Klinik St Georg. Much more favorable exchange rate than euros, too. We'll let you know more after we're done with treatment (5/30) and have follow up tests.

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jerigroves

We have an infrared sauna, as well. Hyperthermia treatment involves lying in a "tent" with infrared lamps raising your core temperature to a fever range (38.5+ c) and maintaining that temp for two hours. Guy did a cholera vaccine (orally) just prior, and will repeat that next week during his 2nd whole-body treatment. His vitals were constantly monitored by a physician before, during and after the treatment.

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The treatment sounds more involved than just spending several hours in an far infrared sauna, which I'm getting next week. Hope it continues to be successful and I look forward to hearing more about it in the coming weeks....

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Don't forget the anti-protozoal Doxycycline

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