A friend of mine took a class with Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn at Cleveland Clinic last year. I figured it was standard plant-based diet info so I didn't inquire into what she learned. Skip ahead to this weekend. Instead of pounding beer all weekend like I used to do on St. Pat's weekend, I stumbled on Forks over Knives on Netflix Saturday night (yes, the Lupron has changed my lifestyle not to mention my Coronary Artery Disease and PCx). My acupuncture doc told me about Forks over knives a few years ago, as well as Dean Ornish. Bottom line - the Forks over Knives show I watched was amazing. I think it should be mandatory viewing for all school kids. I'll let you draw your own conclusions but it has reinvigorated/re-motivated me, especially the portion about the lady who had metastatic breast cancer and has survived for decades with lots of exercise and healthy eating.
So what is my question - Does "healthy" fish slow cancer growth in metastatic / advanced PCx patients, If so, how frequent should I eat for the desired effect? Dr. Esselstyn doesn't support using any oils at all (including EVOO or avocado oil etc) and I'm not sure what his position is on fish so I thought I would ask this forum about fish. I once read that fish slowed or prevented prostate cancer growth. I usually eat the following: wild Alaska salmon, clams, king Oscar sardines, mountain trout, farm raised catfish, wild pacific halibut, flounder, oysters, mussels. I realize I'm talking about coronary artery disease and PCx but this question is specific to Adv. PCx. I just mentioned the heart benefits etc for those who are fighting two battlefronts.
thanks in advance,
George
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George, If you liked Knives Over Knives, I have several more videos you might like. Rather than repeat them here, I'll message you with some links and other sources you can investigate. In the meantime, welcome to the Eat Healthy to Be Healthy Diner. Order Up Something Good & Be Well - cujoe
"no strong evidence of a protective association of fish consumption with prostate cancer incidence but showed a significant 63% reduction in prostate cancer-specific mortality."
Fish is complicated.
One benefit might be due to a reduction in meat intake.
I refuse to believe that a small thin filet coated in batter & deep-fried is going to improve my survival.
Most fish consumed in the U.S is non-fatty white. Not much omega-3.
Growing up in Plymouth, England, in the 1950's, the local fishmongers displayed mostly whole fish. You could inspect the eyes & gills, and sniff for freshness. The fish was cheap. Nowadays, with desirable fish being scarce & expensive, the middlemen have become dishonest. Restaurants & supermarkets buy filets & often without the skin. Is the snapper really red snapper. Is it even an inferior cousin. The last snapper I ate at a restaurant was suspiciously like tilapia.
The NY Times had a story some years ago. Fish was purchased around Manhattan & sent off for DNA testing with depressing results.
I eat sardines, canned Alaskan salmon, kippers - shellfish of all kinds. Fish at a decent restaurant is now ~$30, & portions seem to get smaller. It's quite depressing. In the old days, a trout would come whole. Ten years ago they started serving a single filet. Nowadays, a half of a filet is common - & often from the tail end. I don't order fish any more.
Patrick: I grew up about 20 miles from the Massachusetts coast in the 1950s and 60s.
On Thursday afternoons the "fish man" would pull up in front of our house and come to the door to see what my grandmother wanted that week. He then went out and opened the trunk of his big grey DeSoto sedan and hung his scale from the trunk lid. He'd cut up the fish to the amount we wanted, weigh it and wrap it up. We usually had haddock and sometimes halibut and salmon.
We also had the "egg man", "bakery man" and "milkman" and "Fuller Brush Man" stop at the house.
I hear ya Patrick. In John McDougall's book he reminded me that the large ocean fish population has been reduced by 90% since 1950. Too many people are eating it these days and with less supply, the distributors have become dishonest. I long for those $8 whole lobsters with two side orders back in the early 80s. I eat mostly stuff from Costco that is wild Alaskan salmon or wild flounder etc and canned sardines. I also trust cracker barrel mountain trout and farmed catfish. I'm not sure if I should but at least it's lean and grilled. I did read one nci published study that said that fish did slow cancer significantly but I couldn't figure out what kind they were eating.
I am a picatarian (I eat fish but no other animals.) Your diet looks good except for the farm raised fish. I eat fish about twice per week. I order my fish from Vital Choice Seafood, it's all wild caught.
Vital Choice. I'll try that. I only eat the farmed catfish because I think its better than wild catfish, and I read that they way they farm it is sustainable, unlike atlantic farmed salmon.
I love fish and it's a regular part of my diet. A can of sardines, herring, sometimes tuna every weekday with a salad for lunch at work. Freshly caught fish from the river is a great treat too and salmon over the grill is amazing.
Great simple recipe for salmon over the grill that I also use for fresh walleye and really any favorite fillets....it's delicious:
I limit tuna, maybe a serving a week for that reason. I add a can to a fresh romaine salad with Kale and broccoli. I gave up red meat and dairy in 2016 and eat a lot of nuts and fish every since. I'm not real strict with diet however I did clean mine up a lot. If anything I feel it helps immune system and energy levels.
Sounds like a great recipe for salmon. I too love sardines and anchovies. The oily fish are healthy and great.
I am lucky to still be able to catch my year's worth of salmon in the NW. We also have great albacore tuna. The albacore tuna caught off the US West Coast are juvenile and very low in mercury content. If you can't get it fresh look for the canned.....line caught, West Coast albacore. Whole Foods and other health food stores carry it and you can buy it online directly from some of the small fishing operations....basically Mom and Pop businesses.
If you want to follow Dr Esselstyn: you may not eat anything with a mother or a face .
Not sure for prostate cancer, but lots of fish are loaded with heavy metals.
Yes, it's essential to only eat the right kind of fish and make sure the quality is best but that's hard to ensure, so it's tough to know what to do. What I do know is that smaller fish like sardines are more likely to be a lot cleaner if they come from the correct region.
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