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Suggestions for exercise and diet plans?

Maleko808
Maleko808

Hi gang! Looking for suggestions on on home exercise routines and diet plans. Have been walking 10k per day but want to add in strength training. As for diet something that doesn't in McDonalds would be nice😁

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A double McDonalds Burger without cheese, where you remove everything and throw away until you have just the meat patties is not a bad source of protein, most fat has been cooked out--and the source of sugar, the Bun and Ketchup has been thrown out.

I have done this a couple of times--no time to cook one at home.

Nalakrats

Break60
Break60 in reply to Nalakrats

Nal

What do you think about taking Keto at least for awhile to help remove fat build up from adt?

Bob

Nalakrats
Nalakrats in reply to Break60

pjoshea13 has studied this more than me---message him. He has written much on this.

Nalakrats

Advo__cate
Advo__cate in reply to Break60

My husband is on a therapuetic Keto diet (not the trendy one) with a Paleo twist in real food but not eating any sweetners (raw honey, real maple syrup, etc) except for pure organic stevia. Real food only, no processed foods, no sugar alcohols, etc. It is a lazy keto in that we do not use an app to measure every carb, fat or protein intake. His main source of fat is avocado, coconut, and very little grass-fed butter. He continues with some raw og cheese from time to time. No other milk products. He does eat grass-fed beef in moderation. He has been in ketosis since the start of this diet at diagnosis. His go to are wild-caught sardines as a snack. Keto is a huge commitment.

He had firmagon at dx and then two lupron shots. He had to drop the lupron due to cardiac issues as an adverse effect. After only two shots, still, he was blessed with the Lupron belly...but, maybe not as big as some, I don't know. Weight gain was about 8-10 lbs and holding. Lipids are normal, blood glucose is normal, and systolic BP is creeping to the 140's on Zytiga, which does cause hypertension. He is taking a few herbs to help control the BP (approved by doc) but not sure they are as stong as the effect of the Zytiga. I think the Ketogenic diet has helped him in many ways, but ADT is a beast and I'm not convinced that the metabolic syndrome it causes is equal to the conventional metabolic syndrome. He is not on HB, LIPID, GLUCOSE meds and we think Keto is one tool that has helped him with this issue.

Docs and literature want to say it is the metabolic syndrome that comes with ADT that causes the cardiac issues, but my husband's labs show this is not the case with him.

There is a perspective in cardiology with patients on ADT that the subcutaneous fat over visceral fat from ADT is different than visceral fat alone from the average metabolic syndrome belly. I'm inclined to agree because of the normal lab results my husband is showing. If I were a doc I'd be scratching my head...but they keep writing off his cardiac effects to hypertension.

Anyway, if you go Keto I would suggest going real food and not the trendy weight loss Keto that allow a lot of sugar alcohols and fatty meats. Use avocado oils and such. IMO

Break60
Break60 in reply to Advo__cate

I was referring to the Keto pill not the Keto diet

Advo__cate
Advo__cate in reply to Break60

Oh. Sorry.

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p in reply to Advo__cate

I think he on a great diet.. avocados rule! You really are doing well.

Advo__cate
Advo__cate in reply to Whimpy-p

thanks for your encouragement. we try.

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p in reply to Advo__cate

You’re doing it.

Advo__cate
Advo__cate in reply to Break60

I forgot to mention that we have a nutritionist and alternative practice on my husband's cancer team and they were the one's and M.O. approved that suggested my husband utilize the Keto diet as a tool in his cancer tool box.

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p in reply to Advo__cate

You are well advised.. more than many of us here. Is he on keto? If so how does he like it? Do you also do it? Take care .Scott..

Advo__cate
Advo__cate in reply to Whimpy-p

He’s doing fine with it, much better than I thought he would. I struggle with what to make at times, so it is a major change from the norm. I’m not on the Keto diet, it was too high fat for my gallbladder, as much as I can tell.

I follow a low-carb, veg heavy, no dairy, Paleo diet.

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p in reply to Advo__cate

Do you eat legumes? I eat lentils quinoa, seeds , nuts , and various beans; aztec,mung,amongst other.. Do you ..?

Advo__cate
Advo__cate in reply to Whimpy-p

Legumes are not on either the Keto or Paleo, but at times I will eat legumes. Nuts and seeds are a staple. We do eat Valencia peanut butter since it is the only peanut that is not prone to mold. Quinoa was part of our diet for time but on Keto it was dropped.

We will eat low carb black bean pasta from time to time, Costco has it.

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p in reply to Advo__cate

That’s a good pasta. Didn’t know about the mold. Turns out that’s what we eat also... Enjoy your evening .. Thank you.

Maleko808
Maleko808 in reply to Advo__cate

How about zuddles, zucchini noodles or cauliflower rice? We do those, even make ham fried rice with the rice veggies. Havent tried the black bean pasta but will take a look. Added more fish, less red meat. Trying to stay lower carb (not under 20gms but close) . Although I still have a hankering for a bowl of ice cream now and then.

Advo__cate
Advo__cate in reply to Maleko808

Cauliflower rice is a staple for us. Zucchini noodles are fine but he has to watch the carbs and it can add quickly. You can make coconut milk ice cream with pure stevia (not mixed with dextrose or other sweetners). We use almond/coconut flour to make muffins and such. Stevia is an acquired taste but tastebuds change and he loves it now, not so much the first few weeks.

When you ask about diet it's like asking about religious & political views.

The tendency after diagnosis is to go to an extreme. Cut fat to <10% (Ornish). Go vegan, vegan + fish, fruitarian, etc, etc.

Dr Myers favors the Mediterranean, which is 40% fat. I'm sure that some have tried low-fat Med & good luck to them. The real Med diet has documented cardiovascular benefit, & it is well-known that men with PCa who don't die of it have increased risk of cardio death. Mark Moyad has rashly said that if it's good for the heart it's good for the prostate & he could be right. When I met Dr Myers in early 2004, he said he was coming up to 5 year survival & was clearly excited by that. Since then he has seen the 10th & 15th fly by & the 20th is due soon. Don't know when he converted to Med but one has to pay attention to long-term survivors who had serious disease.

In the video he talks about the importance of exercise & mentions diet.

askdrmyers.wordpress.com/20...

-Patrick

pjoshea13
pjoshea13 in reply to pjoshea13

See also:

askdrmyers.wordpress.com/20...

-Patrick

Break60
Break60 in reply to pjoshea13

PJ

See my ? Above to Nal re: using Keto to jump start weight loss?

Bob

Patrick took care of the politics and religion part--we say something definitive on this subject, and all of a sudden we create a hundred experts who want to argue--that is why I answered about a McDonald's Burger.

Nalakrats

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p in reply to Nalakrats

What’s the point of any of us arguing with each other?

Nalakrats
Nalakrats in reply to Whimpy-p

Some just do---Lulu--having this disease changes the personality structure of men. They should all take the attitude that you have expressed and shown. Where you went from---> life to---> near death to---> life. And can appreciate a day of rain or sunshine.

A short story---> my dear friend and Urologist, who did my surgery, and prescribes my meds, as my MO is 2 hours away----> A Board Member of the Local Hospital a man in the top 10 in the community, who owned his own building and rented out space to other Doctors--who was so good in Surgery[Urological], that he was always on standby to assist any other surgery, at the hospital-----WELL his 22 year old son in New Orleans---jumped from a 14 story building and committed suicide. Our whole community was shaken to its core---2,000 people attended the Celebration of Life Funeral, this past Saturday. This man's life has been destroyed. I cannot shed anymore tears--my tear ducts are dry. I Pray to God, that this man who had everything---> can find peace with God. There is no arguing, when tragedy takes its place.

Nalakrats

WSOPeddie
WSOPeddie in reply to Nalakrats

Horrible thing to happen for all affected. No words.

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p in reply to Nalakrats

That is Terrible Nal.. reminds me of when Eric Clapton’s young beloved son fell of the balcony of his Manhattan high rise. Thus his song “Tears in heaven”” heartbreaking for your urologist that’ you’ve always highly praised... none of us can complain upon hearing this news.. May he survive this nightmare.. sorry about .... like any of us are in “Charge” of anything.... I’m crying , totally humbling.. F###! my loss in nothing in comparison to your Dr. And Friend.. Lord have Mecry on us all!! Take care Nal...

I'd highly recommend a TRX system for your home workouts. They take up minimal space, are inexpensive and provide a great opportunity for weight-resistance exercise.

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p in reply to TNCanuck

I checked out the trx online, looks cool.

TNCanuck
TNCanuck in reply to Whimpy-p

We bought the "travel version" which is a little lighter weight and less expensive, but more than adequate for home use. Here's a super workout to get started ---- you can go at your own pace of course. Good luck! youtube.com/watch?v=RNoS20N...

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p in reply to TNCanuck

Thank you.🏋🏻‍♀️

monte1111
monte1111 in reply to TNCanuck

How cruel thou art TNCanuck. Picture of a beautiful half naked female on a site populated by men that that can't even possibly do a 1 min workout, much less 30 min. workout. Every word in your description is funny, funny, funny. Hoping you have many, many workouts.

I love a whopper washed down with pepsi and a splash of whiskey. Please address all hate mail to Dead Man Walking.

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n in reply to monte1111

to Dead Man Walking:

I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you

I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you

I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you

BTW whatabout the fries?

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Tuesday 11/13/2018 6:03 PM EST

Maleko808
Maleko808 in reply to j-o-h-n

Yeah, fries are a must.

Maleko808
Maleko808 in reply to monte1111

Dear dead man walking. And you forgot the Coke!

Maleko808
Maleko808 in reply to Maleko808

Instead of pepsi... let the debate begin!

Whimpy-p
Whimpy-p in reply to monte1111

Or forward it to the green mile.

I advocate a gym membership which would provide you access to all manner of weight training machines and stairclimbers and whatnot. If you don't have that available I would suggest a search of YouTube videos. I've been there looking for stretching advice but I'm sure there are plenty of videos on exercises you can do at home with or without weights. Good luck. My medicare insurance plan provides me with something called "silver sneakers" -- free membership and visits to the fitness place that participates. It's nice and it gets me out of the house.

j-o-h-n
j-o-h-n in reply to WSOPeddie

"it's nice and it gets me out of the house".

Your wife's sentiments also. 😁😁😁

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Tuesday 11/13/2018 6:07 PM EST

WSOPeddie
WSOPeddie in reply to j-o-h-n

How did you know?

Break60
Break60 in reply to WSOPeddie

I totally agree. It’s too easy to cheat working at home .

Maleko808
Maleko808 in reply to WSOPeddie

Ooo, good call. I'm checking on the silver sneakers thing. Maybe my employer will foot the membership. Never hurts to look

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