Thunder God Vine

[Kevinski65]

Recently bought a bottle of' Thunder God extract'. Anyone hear of this for PCa?

[cesanon]

This is from Traditional Chinese Medicine.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tript...

One of the problems with any TCM medication is that you can never know if what you think you are taking is in fact what has been sold to you. And even then, what its potency is.

TCM evolved from local TCM practitioners who harvested their own medications locally, and who understood the potency of their formulations.

You don't know what is in that bottle. It is well known among Chinese, that Chinese vendors of foodstuffs and medications can't be trusted. At all. Even when they are operating FDA monitored drug factories.

soooooo

1. You have no evidence that Tripterygium_wilfordii is effective or efficacious for treating prostate cancer.

2. You have no way to verify what you bought and paid for is Tripterygium_wilfordii, and if so what its potency is. For instance, it could well be a herb related to Tripterygium_wilfordii. Or something that in a desiccated form can be passed off as Tripterygium_wilfordii.

You will probably do as well with a lucky rabbit's foot, from an unlucky rabbit.

[TommyTV in reply to cesanon]

For sale, Lucky Rabbits Feet, only three left.

[cesanon in reply to TommyTV]

LOL

[j-o-h-n in reply to TommyTV]

Love it, Will use it, Credit you with it.

Good Luck and Good Health.

j-o-h-n Monday 08/20/2018 1:08 PM EDT

[Kevinski65 in reply to j-o-h-n]

I would be careful about this herb. It is considered a poison from what I read. Chemotherapies are poisons too but at least they know how much to give u. I'm not a medical practitioner but it seems kinda chancy. I don't think u should take this without getting kidney function tests and liver function tests. I was thinking of adding a pinch of it to a smoothie once in awhile. At least read about it first seems kinda risky to take 2 a day like they recommend on the bottle.

[j-o-h-n in reply to Kevinski65]

Thanks for the concern Kevin, but I was referring to the rabbits feet. The only herb I take is chocolate chip ice cream.

Good Luck and Good Health.

j-o-h-n Monday 08/20/2018 1:24 PM EDT

[Kevinski65 in reply to cesanon]

All I can say is that there has been numerous studies done on Thunder God extract. It has been shown effective in mice, very effective. In China they have used it with Xtandi, and it prevents the eventual resistance that develops with AR antagonists. This herb has been used in arthritis with success in China. The problem is that u can only use the roots. Hence it's referred to as Thunder God Root. The problem is safety. The rest of the plant is poisonous. I don't know why it's not being investigated further. We get many medicines from plants. One of those is docetaxal from the Chinese Yew tree. In the future , I believe Thunder God Root will be used like other chemotherapies.

[cesanon in reply to Kevinski65]

"All I can say is that there has been numerous studies done on Thunder God extract. "

The issue is you can't get a supply you can trust.

Are any of these studies peer reviewed, using live biological systems, and prostate cancer cells?

If you don't have a convenient link to one such study, you may want to consider that your personal health decision process may be suffering from a potentially deadly confirmation bias problem. If that is so, one possible solution might be to outsource that decision making process to a licensed physician at a major medical center.

So do you have a conveniently available link to such a study?

[Kevinski65 in reply to cesanon]

You bring interesting points to light. I know there has been a few for RA but I can't say much about Thunder God Root and peer reviewed status for PCa.

[Bluebird11 in reply to cesanon]

While we respect TCM quality control is important. We've definitely experienced this dilemma. You certainly make very good points here... we've taken things off the table because of exactly what you are referring to.