I recently moved in with my sister. I needed a place to stay. She offered and I gladly accepted. She also takes me for all of my treatments, which I am very grateful. From my last postings and bio, everyone who has read them and responded knows of my current situation. I start a new clinical trial in two weeks. I had to stop all current treatments to clear my system. My sister who I love dearly and has been with me since the beginning insists that juicing and supplements are the only thing left for me. I gag trying to get this down my throat. I'm only doing it to please her and acknowledge her care. Also there is the latest in supplements that are supposed to shrink tumors that I need to send for. My question is wouldn't we all be doing this if it did indeed work? Instead of the dreadful treatments many of us have had to endure. Again, I'm so grateful for this community as the only outlet I have to get the comfort and support and the feedback that is helping me so much on my difficult journey. Ralph
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Thanks for your reply and the web sites.
Yes, I agree with you Ralph. There is no evidence that juicing and supplements will do anything for you except make you nauseated. perhaps you can tell her that the investigator on the new clinical trial wants you off of all supplements (he probably in fact does) and eating a normal diet. for a clinical trial to prove anything at all, all other variables, including diet, have to be held constant.
I know she means well, but well-meaning people with their pet cures will be the death of us.
The BLUNT TRUTH. It takes guts to be honest. Thank you, Tall_Allen.
I think it takes guts, also, to let others help us. There have to be boundaries, though.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions 😀.
Thanks for the reply Tall Allen. I'm still following thru on MO's new clinical trial. Fighting cancer is tough enough without the added stress of having someone's input of other information they either read about or viewed.
Ralph
Following a biopsy validating PCa, for three years I became almost a vegetarian, started a vegetable garden and juiced fresh organic vegetables daily and took many supplements. Not sure if they helped or not, probably didn't hurt but my cancer progressed steadily and finally in 2013 with a PSA of 48 "went to the other side" and began my new journey on conventional treatment where I am today.
jal
Thanks for your reply jal. Can you let me know what treatment you started with and where you are today treatment wise. Also if and where your cancer metastasized?
Best of luck to you.
Ralph
Started with ADT3--lupron, casodex and avodart in 2013, after 7 months psa 0.07 went off the drugs except avodart and added metformin. 9 months later with psa 1+ went on estradiol patches and metformin for 7 months and psa down to 0.08 and again stopped the patches. 12 months later, psa 2.75 and again back on the patches for 13 months until November of 2017 when psa appeared to have nadired at 0.16 and I again stopped the patches. Psa quickly rose to 3.41 and in April of this year I again resumed the patches. So, as predicted, patches, like lupron-type drugs eventually fail and we become refractory. My MO is still optimistic in that the testosterone levels still rise and fall with the treatment, will see how long it lasts before we consider other treatment.
When your sister's not looking pour the juice in a nearby potted plant. Keep your eye on the plant if doesn't die then keep drinking...
Good Luck and Good Health.
j-o-h-n Sunday 05/27/2018 1:59 AM EDT
HAHA! Thank you
Hey Ralph,
I agree with Ed Ames's recommendation in his book "Me, My Cells, and I".
He suggests that you introduce yourself to your new medical chief-of-staff...the person you see when you look into the mirror.
I recently saw my brother pass incredibly quickly due to cancer. He was a model patient who followed his oncologist's advice to a T. He never juiced, never supplemented, and never adjusted his diet. He put all his trust and confidence in the treatment plan developed by his oncologist. I remember him telling me after one of his early surgeries, that his oncologist told him "We got it all! We are so lucky that we were able to get it as we discovered it early." About a year later he passed from it, nearly bleeding out in the waiting room...while waiting to be admitted to the hospital.
I can't say that juicing and supplementing would have made any difference for him, but after hearing my oncologist tell me "Mr. B., Your disease is going to take your life, no matter what we do. Your cancer will adapt to any and all treatments we can give you." my medical chief-of-staff decided I should try both juicing and supplements to complement my conventional therapies in addition to exercising nearly every day for an hour or more.
I guess I'm lucky that juicing and supplementing does not make me nauseated.
Take Care,
Monty
Monty thank you for your reply. It's just hard and stressful to battle this cancer and have someone (for this instance my sister) tell me I made the wrong decisions.
Ralph
Hey Ralph,
FWIW, I think your decision to go with your MO recommended clinical trial is a good one. I hope your sister will soon accept it that you are the one in charge of your treatment plan and will just support your decisions about your treatments.
We certainly don't need any additional stress at all while fighting this horrible disease.
I know some on this blog will believe this is quackery, but I do some Qi Gong exercises to help with stress.
I also checked out from the MD Anderson library a DVD containing a guided meditation for the cancer fight.
Wishing you outstanding success with the trial!!!
Take Care,
Monty
I've never said you made the wrong decision. You know I have read several articles from people who were cured of different Stage 4 cancers by eating and juicing whole organic foods, taking D3 & other supplement, and eating grass fed or wild caught proteins. I believe if we eat the right foods, we can build up the immune system to help fight the side effects and other symptoms. At least we know we tried EVERYTHING. I'm just happy you have an appetite and want to eat. I'll make you anything you want. I want to fight for you! I want to keep you with me as we grow old together!
I frankly didn't expect all the negativity towards juicing, in all the posts above. To claim that there is no evidence juicing will do anything, except make you nauseated? Zero evidence? Pour it in a potted plant? I juice often, it tastes great, helps the overall immune system, and provides great nutrition. Everything you do to make your body healthier is of some benefit, no matter what malady you are fighting -- in my humble opinion.
Jack Lalanne lived into his middle 90s and he was a huge juicer.
Everyone is definitely entitled to their own opinion
Most importantly (for me) is to enjoy what I eat and drink. I do eat lots of fiber and vegetables...but I think nothing of putting a big pat of Irish butter on the veggies or the whole grain bread. Not going to miss anything that brings me joy! I love food (cow,pig,lamb,chicken and almost all fish).
As Auntie Mame would say
"Live...live...live"
John
How are you doing??
Hello and welcome to this community. If I can be of any help to yourself and your husband, please never hesitate to send a private chat. I am now on a clinical trial. I've been through an assortment of treatments so I consider myself sort of a professor of knowledge. Take care,
Ralph
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