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Hello everyone ๐Ÿ‘‹๐Ÿฝโœจ๏ธI'm so late to the party as I have only just learned about this forum! I've suffered with underactive thyroidism for too many years and everything that comes with it ๐Ÿ˜ฎโ€๐Ÿ’จ

It would be great to know if anyone has managed to lower their Levothyroxine intake, I'm currently on 200 mcg daily and want to improve what I can (in an ideal world I wouldn't want to take any). I feel that between the 20 years being on Levo and my new non alcoholic fatty liver diagnosis I'm in a rut. The Levo and my Type 1 diabetes are the cause of my NAFLD and well I don't know where to go from here guys... feeling hopeful, thank you ๐Ÿ˜Š

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Janine159

Hi glad you have joined us I don't know about the problems you're having tho suffering with thyroid as well ..but sure someone can help x

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AIP_123โ€ข in reply toJanine159

Thank you ๐Ÿ˜Š

To be honest, it's a number of things that have accumulated, brain fog, lethargy (I'm a keen gym goer but just push through the fatigue), hair loss to name a few. I guess I want to see if I can lower my Levo dose and if there's more natural ways that can help? Xx

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sparkly

Hi, this is part of my answer to someone else I've just replied to who has nafld. I don't have diabetes type 1 so not sure how that plays out with everything. This is just me take.

I've had fatty liver disease. I likely had it before I was diagnosed with thyroid issues as I was already showing raised ALT'S. It took years to get diagnosed with thyroid issues!

I feel that the fatty liver played a part in all my iffy bloods, high/ low cholesterols, high crp, low folate, low GFR and likely insulin resistant.

This last 2.5 years my ALT'S have been coming down and been in range for over a year.

All my bloods are normal now and very slowly I've been able to lose weight over the last 2 years.

This has been through a diet of increasing calories, high protein, healthy fats and carbs, plenty of water, exercise of weight training and walking and minimal alcohol. I'm building up my fitness very slowly as i wasn't fit and didn't have much energy.

I can't say 100% I've reversed the fatty liver without a ultrasound or fibro scan but my endo thinks I have. My health is so much better due to these changes.

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AIP_123โ€ข in reply tosparkly

Thank you for your response ๐Ÿ˜Š xx

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Welcome to the forum

First step is to get FULL thyroid and vitamin testing done โ€ฆโ€ฆtiming is important

VERY important to test TSH, Ft4 and Ft3 together

And frequently brand of levothyroxine is important too

which brand of levothyroxine are you taking

Type one diabetes is autoimmune immune

Therefore virtually guaranteed your hypothyroidism is autoimmune

EXACTLY what vitamin supplements are you taking

Lower vitamin levels more common as we get older

For good conversion of Ft4 (levothyroxine) to Ft3 (active hormone) we must maintain GOOD vitamin levels

Hair loss frequently low iron/ferritin

Are you on gluten free and/or dairy free diet

For full Thyroid evaluation you need TSH, FT4 and FT3 tested

Very important to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 at least once year minimum

Low vitamin levels are extremely common when hypothyroid, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease

Also both TPO and TG thyroid antibodies tested at least once to see if your hypothyroidism is autoimmune

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease, usually diagnosed by high TPO and/or high TG thyroid antibodies

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimotoโ€™s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ordโ€™s thyroiditis.

Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimotoโ€™s.

Significant minority of Hashimotoโ€™s patients only have high TG antibodies (thyroglobulin)

NHS only tests TG antibodies if TPO are high

20% of autoimmune thyroid patients never have high thyroid antibodies and ultrasound scan of thyroid can get diagnosis

In U.K. medics hardly ever refer to autoimmune thyroid disease as Hashimotoโ€™s (or Ordโ€™s thyroiditis)

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

Post all about what time of day to test

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Testing options and includes money off codes for private testing

thyroiduk.org/testing/

Medichecks Thyroid plus BOTH TPO and TG antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes BOTH TPO and TG antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own homeโ€ฆ..for an extra fee

Monitor My Health (NHS private test service) offer thyroid and vitamin testing, plus cholesterol and HBA1C for ยฃ65

(Doesnโ€™t include thyroid antibodies)

monitormyhealth.org.uk/full...

10% off code here

thyroiduk.org/testing/priva...

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

support.medichecks.com/hc/e...

If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

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AIP_123โ€ข in reply toSlowDragon

Wow thank you, a lot of info to digest ๐Ÿ˜Š

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DippyDame

)Welcome!

Your symptoms suggest undermedication....or more likely wrong medication

Do you know how well you convert T4 toT3?

You say you are taking 200mcg T4 which is a fairly big dose and makes me wonder if you are having to take this amount to achieve a workable (but not adequate) level of T3, due to poor conversion.

Do you have any test results giving both FT4 and FT3 levels ,if so, a high FT4 with a relatively low FT3 indicates poor conversion and the need to add a little T3

If conversion is poor you will need to reduce levo and add T3

Suggest you have a full thyroid test as SlowDragon describes above, post the results and we can then see what is going on

This might also help...

thyroiduk.org/if-you-are-hy...

We're all here to help...just ask!

Good luck

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Ontherun81

Hello AIP_123

Welcome, I'm sure you'll get help & advice with this forum as there's some very knowledgeable & helpful people on here.

Good Luck on your journey ๐Ÿ‘‹

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Sleepman

Welcome.Do you have any thyroid blood test results?

That really helps the wise ones on here to help understand what is going on

If you thyroid has "packed up" I think it is rare it would start working again and let you get off T4/levo. That might be a separate new question to the group.

The wise group on here will help.

It is a busy forum, repost if you are not getting answers as your post might get missed.

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AIP_123โ€ข in reply toSleepman

Hi and thank you so much, here are some recent results

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mistydogโ€ข in reply toAIP_123

That's high for someone on 200mcg. Get all the other tests done as per Slow Dragon's comment and come back..

Also wanted to say that exercise when incorrectly medicated will deplete your T3 so don't push through, it's your body saying slow down.

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AIP_123โ€ข in reply tomistydog

Thank you, I love my exercise so I must admit I do always push through ๐Ÿ™ˆ

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SlowDragonAdministratorโ€ข in reply toAIP_123

Obviously just testing TSH is completely inadequate

You need vitamin levels tested annually

TSH, Ft4 and Ft3 tested together at every test

Thousands of U.K. thyroid patients forced to test privately to make progress

Are you on AIP diet?

Exactly what vitamin supplements

Remember to stop any supplements that contain biotin 5-7 days before ALL blood tests as biotin can falsely affect test results

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klr31

Have you checked your Ferritin, Folate, B12 and D?

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AIP_123โ€ข in reply toklr31

Hi, not yet

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klr31โ€ข in reply toAIP_123

Hair loss can be due to low iron, amongst other things, so best to check those. Often hypothyroid sufferers have low vitamins, these in particular, and they aid absorption.

Karen

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AIP_123โ€ข in reply toklr31

Thank you so much x

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