Thyroid supplements

[Breadsauce1]

Hi. I've been researching T2 supplements. Does anyone on here know where I can source them.Thanks

[TiggerMe Ambassador]

What are you hoping T2 will do for you?

As far as I'm aware it would make up part of the NDT's, I've never seen it as a stand alone supplement... though I've never gone looking either

[Breadsauce1 in reply to TiggerMe]

Hi. It's not included in thyroid medication but helps medication work better. It is a supplement on its own but having problems sourcing it.

[TiggerMe Ambassador in reply to Breadsauce1]

Intriguing thank you.... another rabbit hole of discovery to fall into 🤗

[Breadsauce1 in reply to TiggerMe]

I know.

[greygoose in reply to Breadsauce1]

Are you sure about that? The T2 I know is part of the iodine recovery process:

T4 converts to T3 by removing on atom of iodine which is recycled.

T3 is converted to T2 in the same way, and T2 to T1, T1 to T0.

Do you have a link to the T2 you're talking about?

[Breadsauce1 in reply to greygoose]

There's a Dr Westin Childs website that talks about T2 supplements and cream.

[Sunflower64 in reply to Breadsauce1]

He sells a lot of expensive supplements, claiming they will heal autoimmune hypothyroidism and increase T4 to T3 conversion, among other things. He is no longer a licensed doctor. I used to follow him but now believe he is dangerous.

[Breadsauce1 in reply to Sunflower64]

Thanks for letting me know.

[greygoose in reply to Breadsauce1]

Yes, but I think he means the hormone, not a vitamin supplement or anything like that.

restartmed.com/product/t2-c...

amazon.com/Dr-Westin-Childs...

These are hormone products, not supplements in the normal sense of the term.

[Breadsauce1 in reply to greygoose]

Ok thank you.

[BonnieG123 in reply to Breadsauce1]

Make sure it’s not a scam. I’m in US and have not heard of it here.

[Breadsauce1 in reply to BonnieG123]

Thank you for letting me know.

[helvella Administrator]

T2 has been discussed here many times. This search finds many instances (but also includes other uses of the characters "T2"):

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

[Breadsauce1 in reply to helvella]

Thank you

[radd]

Breadsauce1,

Welcome to our forum,

Weston Child’s supplement range includes a huge dose of T2.

I got carried away and ordered some at vast expense believing it might help overcome fatigue. Then thought better of it and sat out the ‘waiting’ of systems to become balanced and energy levels to return, and eventually be maintained. It came .. eventually .. without T2.

I gave my bottles to my sister 😁 but I think she as left them in a cupboard as not enough is known to go supplementing such large doses of what is usually a tiny amount made within the body.

restartmed.com/product/esse...

[Breadsauce1 in reply to radd]

Thank you letting me know. It's such a minefield.

[Sunflower64 in reply to Breadsauce1]

Always be suspicious when a doctor offers easy solutions and then tells you his supplements are all you need!

[Breadsauce1 in reply to Sunflower64]

Thank you.

[Bluesadawg in reply to Sunflower64]

I find him quite good for info though, & doesn’t feel, to me, like theres any pressure to but his stuff. Interesting that he’s no longer licensed though, wonder why 🤔. Might not necess be for a bad reason?? Or might be!

[Breadsauce1 in reply to Bluesadawg]

I know. I'm not sure wether to order or not.

[Bluesadawg in reply to Breadsauce1]

In which case I wouldn’t decide in a hurry.

Maybe take a minute & ask yourself how you personally feel about it. And what the alternatives are, do they feel sit with you better.

I know what you mean, all the info is a minefield. Sometimes seems like the more you know the more confusing I find. Maybe its cos i’m a relative hashimotos newby!

Vit & mineral suppliments + diy kefir & try to rest when I need to are what work best for me.

[Breadsauce1 in reply to Bluesadawg]

Thank you. I've decided not to bother ordering anything.

[Bluesadawg in reply to Breadsauce1]

Good luck with your journey ☺️

[Breadsauce1 in reply to Bluesadawg]

Thanks. You too

[Lottyplum]

Check out Dr Weston Child's website. He is in the USA but now has T2 cream.

[Breadsauce1 in reply to Lottyplum]

Thank you. Have you tried it?

[Lottyplum in reply to Breadsauce1]

No. Just got an email re the product. Just passing info on for your research.

[Breadsauce1 in reply to Lottyplum]

Thank you.

[helvella Administrator in reply to Lottyplum]

And if you have a look at the sale blurb, you might see:

T2 Cream is the first-ever topical thyroid hormone cream designed to provide superior flexibility, absorption, and utilization of T2 for thyroid patients. The topical route of administration provides unique benefits to the breakdown of T2 thyroid hormone by bypassing first-pass metabolism in the liver. This route also allows for uncompromised flexibility when it is taken and may enhance thyroid function of tissues where it is applied topically*.

Which comes across as claiming both that it acts systemically and that it acts locally. An uneasy relationship.

And:

APPROVED FOR...

• HASHIMOTO'S

• HYPOTHYROIDISM (ANY TYPE)

• THYROIDECTOMY & PARTIAL THYROIDECTOMY

• RADIOACTIVE IODINE ABLATION (RAI)

• THYROID CANCER

But approved by whom? And what is it approved to do? I find this sort of claim extremely off-putting. Especially when it leaves you hanging on claims re cancer - where you could interpret that as saying it is in some way a cure.

Absolutely zero explanation of why a healthy person will get all the T2 they need from deiodination of T3 and rT3. But anyone else needs 50 micrograms a day of T2!

If someone is getting 60 micrograms of T3 a day - however they reach that dose, that converts to almost 50 micrograms of T2. (T2 molecules are about 81% the mass of T3 or rT3 molecules.)

[Breadsauce1 in reply to helvella]

Thank you for the information. I don't know wether to try it or not.

[helvella Administrator in reply to Breadsauce1]

Not trying to encourage, nor to discourage, I'll point out that with a cream - and it needs three squirts - you could try the tiniest amount quite easily. A fraction of one squirt.

[Breadsauce1 in reply to helvella]

Thank you.

[Lottyplum in reply to helvella]

I hadn't read all the bumph, just read the overview re T2. Suppose I should have said, do your own research!!

[Sunflower64 in reply to helvella]

Is the half-life of T2 known? If it is like rT3, it may not stay in the body long enough to do anything.

[Breadsauce1 in reply to Sunflower64]

I don't know.

[helvella Administrator in reply to Sunflower64]

I'm not sure if we can even consider the half-life in the same way.

Discussion about half-life of T4 and T3 is primarily from consideration of the amounts in our blood. But T2 is produced within cells and, I suspect, largely active within those same cells. Thus making measurement of blood T2 content possibly of less interest and effect. And we don't seem to have any reasonable technique for measuring T2 within cells.

[MindfulMoments]

Hi Breadsauce1, love the name by the way 😄

I would be very careful when it comes to Dr. Westin Childs' advice. I thought he was a medically trained physician, but since learned he was a chiropractor before being struck off. Chiropractor training in not medical training, more like physio. After being struck off, he has took to social media in the guise of a thyroid disease specialist, pretty Hollywood style if you ask me. I contacted him once as he always used to claim you could message for advice. Never had a reply. I am pretty wary of chiropractic medicine after I saw one for neck ache after an injury many years before. I even spent a fortune on them taking a full body Xray and scan they wanted me to have. I was moulded into pretty much a screwdriver, and could hardly move for a week. Since then, I've found out that I've got Osteoporosis, and should not been manipulated in this way. It is rather dubious that the Osteoporosis wasn't detected in this so called all singing and dancing scan and xray. So, the reason why I've waffled on with all this, is that I would be very careful taking Endocrinology advice from a chiropractor. If you want T2, why not give NDT a go! All the best! 😊

[Breadsauce1 in reply to MindfulMoments]

Hi. Thank you. Glad you like the name. I also have osteoporosis of the neck. It's so painful. I'll take your advice and not bother.x

[Sunflower64 in reply to MindfulMoments]

He explains it in an article on his website. His license was revoked for five years because he broke the law in the state of Arizona (practising telemedicine and prescribing medical marijuana).

[Breadsauce1 in reply to Sunflower64]

I'm not going to order anything. Thanks for the information.

[k8sykes1977]

I’ve just started taking them and brought 3 months supply from Westin Childs website from USA. No supplier in UK.

[Breadsauce1 in reply to k8sykes1977]

Are they making any difference to the way you feel?

[k8sykes1977 in reply to Breadsauce1]

I’ve only just started taking them this week. I imagine it will take 6-8 weeks to notice any changes

[Breadsauce1 in reply to k8sykes1977]

Oh ok.

[Sunflower64 in reply to k8sykes1977]

Only if it works like T4, that is, builds up slowly over several weeks. With T3, the effects are pretty much immediate and I would think the same would be true for T2.