Dr should listen !

[meme]

This could well apply to Thyroid patients.

[Buddy195 Administrator]

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-c...

This is expanded on the BBC website.

Let’s hope more medical practitioners take notice of the research 🤞

[Forestgarden]

Sounds depressingly familiar

[Stills]

😖

[Charlie-Farley]

there are articles in the Independent and Telegraph also. Plenty of exposure - perhaps we should make scraps book of all the articles to show in appointments when the gaslighting starts! 🤣

[grumpyold in reply to Charlie-Farley]

They'd just dismiss our scrapbooks the same as they dismiss all other evidence/research/articles we provide. 😭😩

[Charlie-Farley in reply to grumpyold]

I think if you soften them up with their own guidelines first it makes it easier. 😉

[JCMartin]

I know that feeling. Its like medical gas lighting.

[buddy99]

But we don't have a medical background and are laypersons. How could we ever know that something is off with our body or how we really feel? Non, no, no! You have to have a medical degree to know this. A layperson is the most unreliable witness of issues concerning their body. Only a doctor can tell you how you feel. Most likely it's all made up anyway. So just be a good patient and leave the doctor alone with your unfounded claptrap. And if the doctor says something it is the absolute truth that should never, ever be challenged because they are the DOCTOR and you are obviously not. That's all there is to it. NOT!

[Stills in reply to buddy99]

Recently I had to attend ER on advice of 111 as GP refused to follow their advice and give me an appointment for ECG. While there I informed drs of my chronic AI condition which they looked up on the internet! So if drs get knowledge that way, So can we and apply it to appointments whether they like it or not.

[Sparklingsunshine in reply to Stills]

My husband, who as a man might be expected to get better treatment, still remembers when he saw a locum doctor at our surgery who listened to what he had to say, used Dr Google, printed off the fact sheet from one of the medical sites and handed it to my husband.

That was it, no advice, no examination, no prescription, nothing. As my he pointed out to me later we could have done that, no need to waste time and energy going to see a doctor. My husband has a very jaundiced opinion of medics lol.

[Stills in reply to Sparklingsunshine]

As long as he himself is not jaundiced 😉

[DandyButch]

Wow! It has taken research to show this?Just ask some of us on here.

[Zephyrbear]

Do you think they ever consider perhaps that looking something up after you’ve mentioned it in a consultation might be of use to them? Y’know… like proper researchers might? Further their own knowledge… expand their horizons… be of some real benefit to the next patient… instead of relying on something they remember of an hour’s lecture tucked within 5 years of university study?

No, me neither!

[Stills in reply to Zephyrbear]

Their minds are already too full of their own importance I fear

[Stills in reply to Zephyrbear]

I remember being taught that Germany was divide into East and West when I was at school ….. now I know differently.

[buddy99 in reply to Zephyrbear]

They practice evidence based medicine (as I was assured several times). Problem is....many don't have all the evidence and some have different evidence from others. The nature of science and research also is that yesterday's evidence can be today's garbage. We can never assume that we know everything, but most doctors seem to believe they do. They don't have to look it up!

[serenfach]

After a bit of a "discussion" with an "Endo" over the phone, just to get a T3 blood test, he sent me a paper saying T3 was not important, with the phrase "“having thyroid function tested is a marker of increased psychological morbidity”, I returned fire sending him 10 papers showing the importance of T3, thanks to this site.

I have not heard back.

[Sparklingsunshine in reply to serenfach]

Is it papers at dawn now? A duel to the academic death 😆

[serenfach in reply to Sparklingsunshine]

Those paper cuts sting like fury, almost as much as a woman scorned.

[Sparklingsunshine in reply to serenfach]

Especially if you dab them lemon juice, ahhhhhh the burn 😀

[PRJ20 in reply to serenfach]

Ooh serenfach, please could I have a list of the 10 papers you sent that "Endo", as I could really do with sending those after a similar "conversation" I had over the the importance of T3 with the *[Principal] Pharmacist* at my GP surgery a couple of weeks ago, when he was most dismissive and arrogant about anything I could say about my own AITD and history, etc., and including when I mentioned TUK and all the research papers, professionals, Endo's, etc., and knowledge they have on the subject. I even promised I'd send him some of the research papers I alluded to after he arrogantly dismissed those with: "Anyone can write a research paper..." 😮...but, 10 would be amazing to send to shut him up!! 🤐😎

(*he's actually the son of the Principal GP who retired last year at 70; it's since become very obvious he'd lined-up his son to take-over the practice, whilst probably still pulling the strings/having some control in the background; and, like father/like son, was just as arrogant and dismissive, though his father did 'mellow' slightly with age*)

[arTistapple]

I think it’s one of the best ‘stitched up’ professions. They make the rules which protect themselves. They sit in their seats, in front of their computers, doing what a number of forumites have mentioned, being paid salaries which take them into the top 4% of the country. I really find it hard to feel for them, even if the government are acting like a load of ….s.

[serenfach]

I sometimes wonder whether there is a directive from on high telling doctors not to treat thyroid problems, let them die. Just like a certain directive that allowed a certain virus into nursing homes. Think of the pension money that they saved!

[JCMartin]

My docfer said i had Sick Sinus Syndrome - but never did anything about it. 3 Cardiologists in hospital said i didnt and a docter couldnt diagnose this anyway. From that diagnosis he has not listened to my symptoms or anything i have said. The diagnosis took him 10 minutes. I tgink they cant admit whem they are wrong and certainly do not listen to their patients. Gut feeling is never wrong in my experience and i habe compalimed about my neck since June. I was told it was water retention or "not that swollen".