Carpal Tunnel Syndrome

[1342fire]

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome

And thyroid is there a link please

[Lalatoot]

If you pop carpal tunnel into the search box top right of screen you will find quite a lot of posts discussing this. There is a link between low thyroid hormone levels and carpal tunnel. You might find out how others have helped the symptoms by reading through the old posts.

[1342fire in reply to Lalatoot]

Thank you for your reply

I’ve also got spinal stenosis lower back and have had a horrible time.

So I’m just checking before I go back up the hospital Tuesday.

I did think it may have moved to my neck like C6..

And will do similar but that condition also fits the bill and seems the thyroid comes into it also.

Thanks for your help.

[humanbean]

If you look in the "Pain & Hypothyroidism" section of this link you'll find carpal tunnel syndrome mentioned there.

hypothyroidmom.com/300-hypo...

[1342fire]

Ok thank you

[SlowDragon Administrator]

Suggest you get full thyroid and vitamin levels retested

Previous post 8 months ago showed low B12

Have you been back on daily vitamin B complex since then?

Remember to stop taking vitamin B complex a week before test

Do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning, ideally before 9am and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

[1342fire]

Good morning sd

No I’ve got taken b complex

Last blood test was In January and t3 for a Endo I waited 12 months for.

Total waste of time at was sent me a letter saying that there’s nothing wrong with my levels and no need to see him again.

After that I’ve given up with trying

My back is horrible and Gp is hopeless

And now my arms and hands have gone numb and my grip.

So I’m trying to work out is it’s gone in a different place my neck like C6

I can feel a difference if I have my wife to press there.

Or to do with this Carpal Tunnel Syndrome

I’ve asked the Gp for a Mri and it’s been rejected by radiology and been referred to physiotherapy.

Same man who’s sent letters to my consultant saying I’m not suitable for physiotherapy.

I seen him about a week ago and told no need for a second appointment but he was going to call me a few days later because he had to check something with his colleague.

Waiting all day for the call never happened

So I was chasing him the next day.

I’ve got to go back up the hospital tomorrow for a 1hr appointment for more tests.

So I’m trying to find out more information about it before I go.

[JAmanda in reply to 1342fire]

I think it’s time to get a set of tests done privately so you have the full picture then you can come here for further advice whether you need to move docs, add extra meds etc. monitor my health and blue horizon are all ok. I use Medichecks and get my blood taken at hospital. Get tested first thing before taking meds and a week after coming off b vitamins with biotin in as it skews the test. My bad back was much improved once I got levels higher.

[1342fire in reply to JAmanda]

I did try talking that private nhs test to the hospital before and they will not help me. They told me that I need a letter from a doctor.

[JAmanda in reply to 1342fire]

When you order the test, you select the local nhs provider from their list (mine is just my local hospital) and pay an extra £30. Then I book the blood test in the normal way and when I get there I just say it’s Medichecks and they take a slip that’s for them (so they get the £30) and then you post off the blood yourself in the pack provided. So long as you choose one of the agreed suppliers it’s easy.

[ffranny]

Hello, just to say I have had carpal tunnel for a few years now, am hypothyroid. It comes in waves sometimes it goes away, then it is back to varying degrees. I notice it comes back worse than ever when I am stressed. Hope you get it sorted. My GP says it isnt to do with thyroid but I beleive it is as intermittent hip pain.

[1342fire in reply to ffranny]

Good morning I’ve had a full right hip replacement and failed still waiting for that to be fixed.

And spinal stenosis L3,4,5.

Now I’m up from bed around 4pm it will feel a little better.

What tests did you get.

Thank you.

[posthinking01 in reply to ffranny]

Yep intermittent hip pain I have found are the muscles that work with the adrenals that are being upset.

[marvalrus in reply to posthinking01]

Posthinking, I don't understand what you mean here. Can you explain a little further? Thanks.

[posthinking01 in reply to marvalrus]

Yes there are muscles connected to the adrenal glands I will try to find the document I always use.

[marvalrus in reply to ffranny]

I went on a 'funk' last year and was taken off Levo, restarted on a lower dose and CTS was def coming on and also had hip pain. The first time I experienced it, I also had shoulder pain. All resolved when my dose and labs were better.

[posthinking01 in reply to marvalrus]

Please don't ask me for a link to this document to authenticate it as there isn't one any longer this is from my own research file.

Adrenal Gland–Related Muscles

Dr. Goodheart identified five specific skeletal muscles which are related to adrenal gland function. These are 1) sartorius, 2) gracilis, 3) posterior tibialis, 4) gastrocnemius, and 5) soleus. There will be weakness in one or more of these muscles when the adrenal glands are malfunctioning. Because of the attachments of the sartorius and gracilis on the pelvis, (sartorius—anterior superior iliac spine; gracilis—pubic ramus), their weakness in persons with adrenal stress problems may allow the sacroiliac joint to subluxate posteriorly. The sartorius and gracilis stabilize the innominate (one side of the pelvis), holding it in an anterior direction. Many persons with hypoadrenia seek chiropractic help for the care of sacroiliac pain and/or low back pain which is due to the lack of pelvic stabilization normally provided by these muscles.

The sartorius and gracilis have a common insertion (along with the semitendinosis) on the medial side of the knee and rotate the tibia medially on the femur. When weakness of these muscles occurs, there is a loss of stability on the medial side of the knee. The sartorius and gracilis (along with the semitendinosis) act as dynamic ligaments, protecting and supporting the medial knee joint during various ranges of motion. Their function is particularly important in situations where the knee ligaments alone offer inadequate support.

It is very important to check for hypoadrenia in any person with knee problems. One can see how one hypoadrenic person will present with knee problems and another with back problems, and some persons will have both.

Due to the relationship of the posterior tibialis, gastrocnemius, and soleus to the stability of the foot and ankle, many hypoadrenic persons will complain of symptoms of tired feet, weak ankles, or aching calves. The posterior tibialis holds up the medial longitudinal arch of the foot, especially during gait. In some persons exhibiting hypoadrenia-related weakness of the posterior tibialis, the medial arch will drop, causing a pronation problem and strain to the foot and ankle. The one common factor in persons with the above-mentioned musculoskeletal complaints will be the weakness of one or more of the five adrenal gland related muscles accompanied by improvement of their symptoms following treatment of the adrenal glands.

The adrenal gland cortex produces three major categories of hormones:

1. mineralocorticoids,

2. glucocorticoids, and

3. gonadal (sex) hormones (testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, etc.).

[marvalrus in reply to posthinking01]

Wow, that is VERY interesting. I DID have adrenal issues last year, too. I was taken off Cortef 7.5 which I was on for years. It used to make me feel well, then it was making me feel bad. It was a long year, 2021! I finally put a tiny amount of T3 into my regimen and now I do feel better for about 2-3 months. I was never able to handle T3 so I started very low. I take 2.5 a day. A few people on the forum taught me well about taking it slow and persevering. My mood is better, and my energy somewhat, but the mood part is the best part. Also, I'm able to climb stairs a bit better. After my hip replacement, I can walk, sit fine, but cannot do stairs. Also with this new improvement on T3, I've been able to handle it somewhat better, but its not 100%. ABout a 50% improvement. I feel it is muscle/ligament related. Also since T3 my adrenal have improved, too. Don't ask me how 2.5 can help, it's such a small amount, but thus far it has really helped. Do you take any T3?

[posthinking01 in reply to marvalrus]

Yes it is an amazing document - the whole document is about 30 odd pages long and a bit technical but this part helped me no end. I am on steroids for adrenal insufficiency but could always tell if I needed a bit more as my hip would ping (always the left one !) and so would my knees. I do take T3 but like you I can't tolerate too much of it I take 90 mcg of T4 ( I have the liquid which is great for adding a bit more or reducing if necessary when weather hot as I over heat!) and I only take 6.5 mg of T3 - I tried the T3 Paul Robinson method and it didn't agree with me. Nor did NDT there was something in it that made me perspire to the point of being embarrassing but only my face - perspiration would drip on my papers at work - so awful. So came off it.

[posthinking01 in reply to marvalrus]

Forgot to add when I got very ill with thyroid and adrenal issues my pelvis dislocated - I was in agony.

[marvalrus in reply to posthinking01]

whoa whoa whoa! Your pelvis dislocated? I've never heard of this. Hip dislocated but not pelvis. That sounds so painful. Sorry you've been through that and what did you have to do to relieve it? There is a rare side effect of Levo and it is hip pain, but I've never heard it related to adrenal issues, low cortisol specifically? But I can actually understand this, and I took HC for years, but after a disruption of unknown reasons, I could not handle it anymore. So I had to get used to taking thyroid meds w/o it. Has been a long road. I'm still trying to recover. I really don't need cortisol, but my body was very happy with it, until it wasn't. I hoped I'd get a benefit of lower blood pressure after stopping, but no, still have high BP.

I really appreciate what you wrote. I find it very interesting.

[SarahJane1471]

CP is definitely a symptom of hypothyroidism. I’ve had it for many years and wear splints at night. I’ve also had steroid injections to hold off the inevitable operation. HOWEVER since starting Levothyroxine a year ago it seems to have improved loads. I’ve had no need for injections. So I’m certain it’s linked to me being hypo.

[1342fire in reply to SarahJane1471]

I’ve been on t4 just over a year now.

Plus I still have the cold feeling sometimes

The physiotherapist will not go onto this tomorrow I bet lol.

You have enough of a job with the doctors about or I do anyway.

[posthinking01]

So sorry you are having so many problems - as a Secretary for over 50 years I suffered with this from time to time and took Vitamin B6 and it went away.

B6 is linked to inflammation so if there is any inflammation going on it will deplete your B6 levels - you will get people saying that B6 causes nerve damage etc. but you would need to be on it a long time to get that problem in my opinion and let's be honest if your body is using B6 to dash off to help with the inflammation you need it anyway it would not be excess.

You could try taking a multi B complex and then add an extra B6 product.

B6 also helped with hormonal balance - progesterone and oestrogen and reduces homocysteine levels which I have proved works - it reduced my very high levels by 75 per cent after taking B6.

I take Nature's Best B6 50 mg and they do a good Multi B complex too.

Hope this helps.

[1342fire in reply to posthinking01]

Thank you for your help I was thinking b-complex and stopped last year to get a good blood test done last was January and t b was around 450.

Yes my crp has been up for a long time.

[posthinking01 in reply to 1342fire]

what is tb?

[Suzi-B]

this will be interesting as i also suffer from carpal tunnel….. will follow post!

[posthinking01 in reply to Suzi-B]

Hi there - as someone who had malabsorption due to various health states hitting me all at once - even though I took supplements for years my test results showed I was dangerously and text book low in various vitamins and minerals etc. - I was lucky enough to be tested every three months and what I soon realised was that the human body which never ceases to amaze me how wonderful it is - was desperately trying to keep me going/alive by pulling all the relevant vitamins from my food to keep whatever part of the body it was needed, ticking over. I truly believe that as one of the things B6 is involved in, is being anti inflammatory when the body needs help it will use up B6 to a higher degree to keep that inflammation down. If the inflammation reduces then the B6 would possibly no longer be needed other than from food.

I experienced this with CoQ10 which I did not take at that time but my levels went sky high - took me a lot of research to find out, why did I have high levels of CoQ10 which is a great thing as a protector of the heart etc. - but why - no-one could tell me - I had to find out - could find nothing - then about 2 years later I found a paragraph in a research document - CoQ10 levels will go high - when the heart is under threat - at that time I was taking NDT which did not agree with me for some reason and I was perspiring so much - face dripping etc. it was a real problem. My endo said I think you are over medicated - I was on such a small dose of NDT that I argued with her - but as I had to have a medical test I had to come off it - she was right - the sweating stopped - all I can think is that the iodine amount in the NDT did not agree with me and the CoQ10 - had risen to help me. So there you go it is amazing what is going on behind 'closed' doors with our dear bodies juggling our nutrition around to supply a need.

[Baggieswidow]

Hi, I’ve had carpal tunnel release operations twice on both hands along with a total thyroid removal- feels like a link to me? I’m now waiting to have both c5 and c6 discs removed from my neck. Even after the carpal tunnel surgery I still have shooting pains and numbness, my thyroid levels are always borderline at the lowest level, I’m also on T3 but my TSH is constantly suppressed. I’m just living on drugs and using a Tens machine, I’ve been signed off work and just count the days until I get a surgery date, pretty rubbish really 😒

[PurpleButterfly2]

I have read over and over again that Carpel Tunnel is common with Hypothyroidism & Hashimoto. I had years of pain in my wrist and my gp injected steroids in my wrist (very very painful) which helped a lot for a while but I had to have an operation eventually as the pain was unbearable. I believe I had Hashimoto for many years (only diagnosed last year though), But there’s a strong connection between the 2.

[marvalrus]

Hi, Yes, there is def a link. This is how I discovered I had Hashimoto's. My doc confirmed i had it, said it could possibly go away as mysteriously as it came. But that didn't settle with me.

So I looked it up when I got home. Not every link about CTS mentioned thyroid, but one did, and said it was worth getting tested. I did, and my TSH was 18. Antibodies high. After being put on Levo, it took about 4-6 weeks to completely be resolved.

My daughter also has Hashimoto's and when she was pregnant, she had it very bad towards the end for about 2-3 months. It really worried me because she knows the connection as well, but her thyroid levels were fine. Her baby was healthy and CTS went away in about 2 weeks. So I think there is a funny connection with something else in the mix, and I've wondered what it could be.

[posthinking01 in reply to marvalrus]

B6 is often taken in pregnancy (by NHS direction of course) for pregnancy related issues.

[marvalrus in reply to posthinking01]

She was taking a pregnancy vitamin so I don't think it was a vitamin deficiency. I've leaned towards it being another hormone or antioxidant like glutathione. She had problems breast feeding, and ultimately didn't produce enough milk, so I wondered about that, too. But def, hypothyroid can bring on CTS. She was taking a T4/T3 combo and I don't think her T4 was enough because now she takes 25mcg more.

[posthinking01 in reply to marvalrus]

Prolactin hormone relating breast milk being produced is pituitary/thyroid link.

[marvalrus in reply to posthinking01]

Ah yes, you're so right. That is prob it. Her ob/gyn never even checked that. She ultimately switched to formula of course. Her CTS and inability to breastfeed has hindered the idea of having another baby. I actually can't blame her, but have a feeling she would do better now that her labs are better. Specifically her FT3 has gone up. She takes 100 levo/10 Cytomel.

[posthinking01 in reply to marvalrus]

Probably would be OK but it must have been awful for the poor girl.

[woosMum]

When I started having the symptoms of Carpal Tunnel (at the time my GP was telling me I had subclinical Hypothyroidism) I was sent to the Neuropathic clinic for tests to see if it was Thyroid related or Carpal Tunnel as a separate problem. Mine wasnt Thyroid related, had the injections in the wrists - I now have nerve damage in my left index finger but it was worth it for the relief which only lasted approximately 3 months. I was then referred for surgery where the consultant told me he wont recommend the injections to anyone. 2 ops later, my hands are much better but not perfect.