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What are your thoughts on thyroid regeneration?

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As far as I know, these are the ways you can become hypothyroid.

One, you have a birth defect that causes hypothyroidism,

Two, you have had radioactive iodine treatment.

Three, you have had your thyroid surgically removed

Four, you have hashis

I'm told i have Hashimoto's, but I'm sure it was only by a process of elimination as none of the other scenarios could exist in my case. I doubt they had done the antibody test prior to making my diagnosis? my GP who ordered the test asked me after i had been given the diagnosis by a different doctor, "who said you had Hashimoto's? I kid you not.

Im sure my Hashimotos is due to thyroid cell damage due to smoking a lot of fags over a long period of time. Nobody wants to tackle the tobacco companies and say hashis is smoke damage but I believe this statement to be true and any doctor with a decent set of tools would agree.

Back to my point, my point is, serrapeptase has been known to heal cysts and help with cell damage and inflammation. My point is can my thyroid heal itself now that i have made lifestyle and diet changes. I used to have a cyst on my ovaries which was checked several years later and after I had taken serrapeptase for several months and could not be found, neither could my ovary but that's another story. If our thyroid cells can to some degree experience cellular growth after surgical removal of some thyroid tissue, why shouldn't it also regenerate after removal or disappearance of other damage, like smoke damage? So instead of having to take this awful replacement medicine which has helped in many ways but has also caused many terrible side effects.

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humanbean profile image
humanbean

I don't know the answers to your questions. But I wouldn't be surprised if diet had a lot to do with the increase in numbers of people with autoimmune diseases, thyroid nodules and cysts, and PCOS.

But ideas about what constitutes a healthy diet are so varied that I find it hard to believe there will be a consensus in my lifetime. I have my own ideas but if I stated them I would end up starting an argument, so I'll keep quiet.

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Angelic69 in reply to humanbean

I agree with you, im great with keto yet others feel bad with keto.

The downside is things in the environment we have no control over like air pollution which I'm sure adds to the likelihood of Hahis.

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Lora7again

I read this a few years ago and wonder if it will ever happen.

rbth.com/longreads/bioprint...

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Angelic69 in reply to Lora7again

I guess by the principle seek and thy shall find, we just need a researcher who wants it enough to obtain it. Oh and then obviously share it with us lot at a cost acceptable to the nhs.

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Lora7again in reply to Angelic69

That will never happen because it is mainly a woman's disease and the medical profession are mainly made up of men. Sorry if that sounds sexist but I believe it to be true.

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Angelic69 in reply to Lora7again

Not much room for hope at your camp, lol xxBlessings.

Ok so you become your own doctor, find root cause, eliminate root causes, thyroid strts to heal all by its self, you feel better. Sound like a trip you want to take. I want to take that trip. Im ready for a miracle , I'm looking to find a positive outcome, without that i have no thyroid and no hope. Seek and you shall find, do you not believe.

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Lora7again in reply to Angelic69

I am ok at the moment because I am in remission but I dread the day when I relapse.

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Angelic69 in reply to Lora7again

Great news about remission, you got this xxx

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SeasideSusieRemembering

Angelic69

One, you have a birth defect that causes hypothyroidism,

Two, you have had radioactive iodine treatment.

Three, you have had your thyroid surgically removed

Four, you have hashis

And a few more. List taken from Dr Peatfield's book "Your Thyroid and How to Keep It Healthy":

Autoimmune thyroid disease (Hashimoto's) is the most common cause of hypothyroidism.

Other causes:

Genetic - thyroid gland may not develop properly in the womb, may be totally inactive or partially inactive.

Environment - iodine deficiency, selenium deficiency, environmental poisons such as mercury, fluoride (not naturally occurring fluoride but the toxic waste fluoride added to toothpastes, water, etc).

Thyroid suppressing drugs - eg Lithium, Amiodarone

Glandular fever/Epseine-Barr virus

Major Trauma

Thyroid Trauma

Surgery

Pregnancy

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Angelic69 in reply to SeasideSusie

I was hoping the list could be added too as i was sure there were more ways. Thank you SeasideSusie. xx

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Redlester in reply to SeasideSusie

and "estrogen dominance" should be added to that list

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Angelic69 in reply to Redlester

Does estrogen actually damage the gland or cause dysfunction by increasing TBG. Or both?

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Redlester in reply to Angelic69

I am not sure if it is "both" but it is definitely the reason why so many women begin to suffer a thyroid problem as menopause approaches - which doctors seem unable to distinguish. I went to my GP last year and recounted to her the problems I was having, including fatigue which left me unable to get around the ground floor of my home, and she said she had heard of so many women who found their menopause 'debilitating'. I pointed out to her that given my family history of hypo (all the ladies have it) ,and my symptoms, that she should be investigating similar in my case and that what I was suffering was incapacitating [it was] not debilitating. When she completely mis-read my bloodwork on female hormone levels - completely missing a severe case of estrogen dominance - I knew that it was pointless having further appointments with her and that I would have to DIY it on all fronts. I have read over and over how estrogen dominance is a cause of hypothyroidism - see the most recent here:

forefronthealth.com/hashimo...

I am now doing the 3 things he recommends and, 'hey presto'. - feeling MUCH better. The biggest recent game changer for me was switching other magnesium supps which weren't working for me for magnesium chloride oil.

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greygoose

There are a hell of a lot of other ways of becoming hypo:

Damage to thyroid - eg whiplash

Damage to pituitary - Secondary hypo

Damage to hypothalamus - Tertiary hypo

Adenoma on pituitary/hypothalamus

Endocrine disruptors in food/cleaning products/cosmetics/air/water/etc.

Anorexia or other eating disorders

Mental and physical abuse/stress...

And, I'm sure there are a lot more possible causes.

Then, there are all the possible causes of Hashi's itself:

Excess iodine

Leaky gut/gluten

Epstein Barr or other infections

High oestrogen...

And a lot more besides.

But this is the first time I've ever heard of smoking as a cause of Hashi's - but, why not.

I have never heard of a thyroid regenerating enough to be able to produce hormone to keep you well. All the literature says it's not possible. Yes, it can regenerate to a certain extent, but not enough. And, if it did, the Hashi's would probably kill it again. I don't think you can get rid of Hashi's as easily as all that.

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Angelic69 in reply to greygoose

Yes all these possible ways of becoming hypo, but why arent the scientific world telling us what our root cause is? Before treating a lifelong illness surely it would be better to know root causes and fix those, but would that then be less confusing. Do you know how many of those above mentioned ways of damaging the thyroid are checkable to determine 100% root cause?

I don't think getting rid of Hashis would be easy at all, its probably the hardest challenge which faces a lot of us on this forum.

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greygoose in reply to Angelic69

Do you know how many of those above mentioned ways of damaging the thyroid are checkable to determine 100% root cause?

None of them, I shouldn't think. Which is probably why nobody bothers to try. You might speculate, but I don't see how any of them could be proved.

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Angelic69 in reply to greygoose

I think most of those are checkable by the appropriate tests, we would have no specialists if they had no test result to understand to that degree.

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Hillwoman

There are also hereditary genetic errors in thyroid hormone transport or intracellular metabolism, as well as the better-known problems with mutations affecting the DIO1 and DIO2 enzymes. All lead to hypothyroidism.

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Lora7again in reply to Hillwoman

Yes I agree with that. I am half Irish and there is some evidence that the potato famine caused people of Irish descent to have thyroid disease.

irishcentral.com/roots/hist...

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Angelic69 in reply to Lora7again

Oh well my grandfather was irish decent but not sure irish irish or scottish irish or other Irish?

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Lora7again in reply to Angelic69

He is of Celtic descent. I have the typical Celtic coloring of green eyes and pale skin mine used to be black but is now blonde 😉

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Angelic69 in reply to Lora7again

We are mixed, mothers family scottish, fathers scottish irish so we have in our bunch, green eyes, hazel eyes, brown eyes,I'm the only one with blue/grey eyes and my dad has those too. Skin wise I'm of ruddy complexion with freckles chestnut hair and fairly tallish for a woman. Im total grey now though. We also have olive skin from my mothers side.

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Lora7again in reply to Angelic69

I used to have freckles as a child and my son has them which he hates lol

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Angelic69 in reply to Lora7again

Mine are a little faded too now, two of my sons have freckles. My eldest has a red beard too, makes me smile to look at him with his red beard.

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Angelic69 in reply to Hillwoman

Yes , genetic root cause which is not due to Hashis.

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Ellie-Louise in reply to Hillwoman

My Aunt, my fathers sister was hypo, I didn’t know she was until we went to visit her shortly after I was diagnosed myself. So maybe hereditary.

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Hillwoman in reply to Ellie-Louise

I've no doubt one can inherit a propensity to develop Hashimoto's/autoimmune thyroiditis (not inherit the disease itself), but what I meant specifically is that there are other genetic faults, some of which are very rare indeed, which can also lead to hypothyroidism.

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Lalatoot

If you have hashimotos your immune system attacks the thyroid.

If your thyroid regenerated the immune system would start attacking it again.

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Angelic69 in reply to Lalatoot

There are those that believe once you have found the root cause for immune attack and then remove them form your life, foodstuff, environment,etc, you can reverse Hashis. Im a believer, I'm seeking to find a cure.

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Am afraid I am among the sceptics.

An awful lot of the people who write about root causes (not just thyroid), appear to be in a position to make money out of others trying to identify their root causes.

Affiliate links, actual sales, selling their names, etc. for various supplements.

Affiliate links to testing companies.

Books for us to buy.

Videos which promote books, or online seminars, or whatever else.

If your cause were to be smoking, other than giving up, how do you address that root cause? And if the damage has already been done, you are in very much the same position as anyone who has identified a different cause.

Root cause analysis has its place.

The other day, someone posted a link to Medical Detectives - a program which seemed to find the root cause of an epidemic of thyrotoxicosis. I could spend at least the rest of this evening arguing that they didn't really reach the root cause.

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Lora7again in reply to helvella

I believe mine was caused by a stressful event and a lot of other people I have talked to over the years have had similar experiences with stress being the main cause. Hopefully one day someone will be interested enough to find out the cause but I don't think the medical profession is that interested in us.

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Angelic69 in reply to Lora7again

When little frodo was given the ring of power it was hard for him to stay humble. The act of neglect is a disease of the mind, we are not the only people sick. We just have a disease we are aware off thats all.

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Angelic69 in reply to helvella

I guess if they deicate alot of there time reaching out to people, me included and give tons of information for free with the option to support the cause. When we wear a poppy we support our citizens which have laid down there lives for us and we wear the poppy as not to forget, i wouldn't mind donating for a poppy and those who died don't benefit by money raised. I dread to think how many people have died prematurely due to lack of support and information regarding diseases and there root causes.

I agree the damage has already been done in my case by years of ignorance, stress and smoking everyday for approximatey 20 plus years. Each cigarette containing arsenic and another 200 chemicals. My body has been ruined by that decay which i blame for my Hashis, for me hashis is the likelihood that other parts of my body have also been ruined by the chemicals in cigarette smoke. Anything which my body disfuctions with is a direct result of my pastlife and habits etc. I can and have changed my entire life, i am not ignorantly causing any self inflicted poisons on my body anymore. If the diseases still spreads then its out of my hands i can not change the structure of environmental harmful substances, if i could i definitely would.

I gave up cigarettes got healthy and then got diagnosed with thyroid disease, not only thyroid diseases but a Hashis stamp that other parts may be also attacked. I have a voice in my head that tells me I'm going to ruin your body, it took my eyes first, then it came after my legs, then it told me your hair has to go. Am i talking about mentalism or am i talking about Hashimotos thyroiditis, to me the end product looks the same.

People know cigarettes cause disease, first it was a whisper now p[people shout it out. Mobile phones cause cancers people are whispering, one day it will be fact. Will they end cigarettes and mobile phones and many more practacises that end with disease , i doubt that.

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userotc

Seems you seek a natural cure/recovery/ remission? A few weeks ago, I asked on this forum if anyone had done this but got no such responses other than some improvements alongside levo. Not to say there are none though? But many doubters replied, I'm afraid.

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