Daily bread ..yes please..!

[Lozzer66]

I think it's time I gave gluten free another go ..I've tried it before for a few months including dairy free but didnt really feel the benefits so old habits crept back in and I'm on the whole lot !ICould anyone please let me know if they found a good tasty bread that doesn't taste like a bath sponge please ?Thanks

[alchemilla12]

waitrose are now selling 2 types of GF sourdough loaves made by Newburn Bakehouse which are quite nice -they have an airy , slightly holey tecture like real sourdough ( but not exactly like unfortunately !) and is nice toasted. It holds together so makes a sandwich too .I have also seen them in a Booths supermarket -dont know if you have one of them near you ? Unfortunately though they are very expensive -around £3 for a small cob loaf

[Fruitandnutcase in reply to alchemilla12]

Oh no, I tried that and was SO disappointed. Think I was expecting it to taste like normal sourdough - I should have known when I picked it up because it was so light, anyway I bought it with very high expectations and sadly it didn't meet them. I had one slice and the birds got the rest.

It's the weight and solidity that I like about sourdough or a really good wholemeal or granary loaf and it was just not there.

If I'm going to eat GF bread I think. Schar seeded is the best. It doesn't have the sweet taste a lot of GF bread has and it isn't 'crumbly'. It's not cheap - £2+ for a small but tasty loaf.

[alchemilla12 in reply to Fruitandnutcase]

well no it wouldnt have the same texture as " proper " sourdough or wholemeal - how could it - but I found it better than most GF breads -it toasted well and it wasnt crumbly. not sure one can expect much more from GF really.

[Fruitandnutcase in reply to alchemilla12]

I know, it was way back in my early gluten free days, back when I was missing bread, discovered it in Waitrose and thought Yay! Sourdough, but it wasn't really.

It just didn't occur to me that it wouldn't be like 'real' sourdough - don't ask me why though

Generally though I don't eat bread because I find it too sweet, actually I find GF biscuits and cakes I've tried too sweet and anything grain based really spikes my blood sugar levels.

[mgh348]

The ketogenic diet is grain and gluten free, so lots of recipes. Google keto bread - there are tons of recipes. Lots of keto pizza crusts (fathead is a favorite). Dietdoctor.com has low carb gluten free breads and rolls.

[Saggyuk]

Schar seeded is nice and easy to pick up - great toasted and doesn't fall apart

[jeanjeannie50]

I think that the Marks and Spencers brown seeded bread is quite nice compared to others.

[greygoose]

Just be careful that whatever you buy, doesn't have soy flour in it!

[Saggyuk in reply to greygoose]

The Schar does have 1.9% soya bran in it but I can't find anything else that I like

[greygoose in reply to Saggyuk]

Hmmm... well, I don't think I'd risk eating it.

[Saggyuk in reply to greygoose]

I had read a few bits about it being a goitrogen and effect thyroid function but I just assumed a bit late now anyway as no real function left so just figured can't do much damage?

I don't eat it in much else, although I have suddenly thought maybe my daughter shouldn't eat it although she only eats bread about once a week - hmmmm?

[greygoose in reply to Saggyuk]

Soy is worse than a goitrogen, because it also works at a cellular level, impeding the up-take of hormone by the cells.

[Saggyuk in reply to greygoose]

Okay will have a read up on it - although just realised the M&S chocolate fudge cake also has soy - nooooooooooo lol!!

[Lozzer66 in reply to Saggyuk]

Chocolate is full of soy ...I ve eaten it practically every day of my adult life...!..I just can't give it up lol!....ironically my hashimotos /thyroid problems came after I stopped smoking!...Ive tried so much with other things like dairy free /gluten free/low sugar etc...I even started eating meat after 15 years of vegetarianism and stopped drinking! ...seems all food is bad in one way or another ....even the water we drink!... arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh is all I can say haha!

[greygoose in reply to Lozzer66]

That's soy lecithin. That's different - bad in a different way! lol Anyway, it's not the same.

[Saggyuk in reply to greygoose]

Ah okay, just checked and yes it's lecithin, just assumed just another version lol. Okay okay, obviously need to read up lol!!

[Lozzer66 in reply to greygoose]

Oh ok lol!...whats bad about that then ?...do I have to give it up?.. (pleeeeeese say no!!)

[greygoose in reply to Lozzer66]

Give what up? Soy? Or soy lecithin? Soy lecithin seems to be ok, unless you have some sort of reaction to it. It's never affected me in any way. There's only a tiny amount in chocolate. But, avoid things like soy protein, soy flour, soy oil, etc.

[Lozzer66 in reply to greygoose]

The soy lecithin. ..you said it was bad in another way....I do eat shed loads of chocolate. ..I know sugar ain't that great but I have to have chocolate lol!

[greygoose in reply to Lozzer66]

Yes, it is bad in another way, but I can't remember what way!

But, the thing with soy protein et al, is that it's unfermented and will have an effect on the levo you take, stopping it getting into the cells.

I did post an article about soy lecithin. I'll have to have a look through my posts, some time, and see what it says.

[greygoose in reply to Saggyuk]

I think you'll find most stuff from M&S contains soy in one form or another.

[Saggyuk in reply to greygoose]

Okay,just had a quick read re soya lecithin. Okay, so small amounts aren't too bad so my special M&S choc cake is a keeper I'm afraid lol. I will however do some more reading on soya and will prob reduce as much as can. Although I don't think I eat too much as generally just stick to basic natural foods. I think I may certainly remove it for my daughter though if any basis for it as the least risks to her thyroid, the better

[greygoose in reply to Saggyuk]

Sounds like a plan. But, remember, it comes in many forms : soy flour, soy protein, soy oil, etc. And crops up everywhere in processed foods.

[alchemilla12 in reply to greygoose]

I avoid soy not just because of its health implications -unless it is GM and a fermented end product - but also for the environmental damage created by growing it -huge swathes of rainforests cut down , eco systems destroyed and Indigenous peoples moved on.

Admittedly it is getting better in the Brazilian amazon area but there are still other areas affected by such huge deforestation.

sorry off my soap box now!

[greygoose in reply to alchemilla12]

Oh, soap away! I totally agree with you. I avoid palm oil for the same reasons. And that's quite a good oil, but it's cultivation is devastating for the planet. And the more people that hear about it, the better!

[Lynneypin in reply to Saggyuk]

I also think the Schär is the best gf bread... I'm not that careful about soy.... 😕 Perhaps I should be....

[humanbean]

I do not have coeliac disease, but I benefited from going gf. I got various benefits but the only obvious gut improvement I got is that I started to absorb iron better than before. And I was only aware of that after I'd tested.

I also got benefits in my mood, my temper and my balance. I have come to the conclusion that I have gluten ataxia.

So, don't assume that the only place that might benefit is your gut.

[Lozzer66 in reply to humanbean]

Yes..just saw on here only the other day that allergies such as hayfever for example actually disappear after going gf!

[humanbean in reply to Lozzer66]

I would change your sentence to "might disappear". Some people really do get no benefits, sadly. But nobody knows what will happen until they've tried it and been 100% ruthless about it.

[Saggyuk in reply to humanbean]

Yes, I have actually been diagnosed with NCGS (and also had indications of ataxia) as was proven in my case to cause systemic inflammation, triggers my immune system and autoimmunity, causes nutritional deficiencies and hormone resistance, a autoimmune sleep disorder plus blisters. Duodenum was completely undamaged and in perfect condition so unless caused damage further down the digestive track unlike coeliacs, then doesn't appear to have caused much damage in my stomach - just everywhere else!!!!

[mgh348 in reply to humanbean]

Also benefits your brain - see Grain Brain, by Dr. Perlmutter.

[Tiredmum75]

Hi I'm have coeliacs and graves and definitely recommend going gf and also soy free as well as complete toxins free lol. Have you Izabella Wentz book? If not it's worth a read

[Lozzer66 in reply to Tiredmum75]

Have that book yes

[Tiredmum75 in reply to Lozzer66]

Awesome another good read is by doctor Amy Myers the thyroid connection and also the autoimmune connection by the same author good luck with the gf thing

[Tiredmum75 in reply to Lozzer66]

Also grey goose and others have some awesome advice

[mrpenguin]

I'm gluten free for a year.. Newburn Bakehouse Mini loaves are my daily bread

These ones.. theglutenfreeblogger.com/wp...

[Hidden]

Tesco sell their own brand, in their FreeFrom aisle, a delicious Ancient Grain Cob bread. Obviously unsliced and seeded, it stays fresh for a good few days.

Sainsbury's Bakery sell g-f products and would highly recommend their pack of 2 miniature batons (can't remember what they're called).

[Lozzer66 in reply to Hidden]

I didn't like the tesco one when I tried it before...it just fell to bits and my sandwich filling just fell out lol...I'll try th sainsbury batons though !

[Hidden in reply to Lozzer66]

You need a knife and fork Lozzer66 ! Have found that it can be a little crumbly admittedly but it's so nice. Sainsbury's batons are with the instore fresh bakery products, not on the shelves that have the gluten bread.

[lucylovesgin]

Dr Schar is nice but does have soy and other ingredients that I'm not keen on having a lot of.

Hale & Hearty and Ugg foods make mixes to bake at home which are pretty much just natural ingredients - haven't tried them yet but will do this weekend!

[cwill]

I used gluten free bread products at first but seriously have you read the ingredients? Firstly you need glasses to actually see it all and it is so filled with items that my head said shouldn't really be there. So I stopped for a long while and even when I felt the urge the bread of all kinds tasted horrible. I must be off the real stuff for life and have found it easier and I think healthier to simply abstain. Watch out for new recipes in any products you normally buy.

[Lozzer66 in reply to cwill]

Yes it's the same with all gf foods ..they add so much other ingredients to try make it taste better or improve texture etc....I would just like to carry on having a sandwich at lunchtime though ....I don't eat more than that really bread wise ...maybe I should try making my own with gf flour lol....it's sooo hard for me ..I work in a bakery and I'm surrounded by gluten!...I did go gluten and dairy free for a few months some time ago but didnt really feel much better but perhaps unbeknown to me my antibodies were reducing so gona try again ...I've felt crap for way too long ...I need to up my game !!

[Hidden in reply to cwill]

Nope, not checked the ingredients cwill but I really should.

[cwill]

Oh no! I used to visit a bakery factory to work and had to move around all areas so now diagnosed hashis I would have had to stop the visits/work. Are you hashis? We are even gluten free at home now as my OH using the bread machine left the kitchen covered in a fine dust that he didn't notice but my body did. I think that if you can tolerate oats then the GF oat crackers are a better bet with fewer ingredients. One local shop here has a large range of crackers with fewer ingredients than the bread. I have long moved away from putting something on a bread or cracker like thing as I am better with things on my plate that my head recognises as food not chemicals from a lab. Yes I know my supplement box is huge but my food these days has to be recognisable as such. Isn't there a saying: if your granny wouldn't recognise it don't eat it?

[Lozzer66 in reply to cwill]

Yes I have hashimotos ...I had it before I worked in the bakery. It's just a little independent shop..I'm mostly in the shop bit but in and out around what's being baked!...its just I love love love all the bread/cakes pies and custards there..!proper homemade and traditional. ..sooo hard to say no to it all when gf...I found that out last time I did it!

[Scouser58]

Hello,,,,why do you want to go gluten free?,,,have you been diagnosed as gluten intolerant?,, and why dairy free?,,are you diagnose as lactose intolerant?,,, You went back to the foods that contain gluten and dairy,,your body could have been telling you it needed them,,,,and did you feel a bit better for taking them back into your meals?,,,,bread without gluten will resemble cardboard,,,,ttfn from karen.

[Lozzer66 in reply to Scouser58]

Scouser58 ...I bloat quite badly when I consume dairy and gluten.I also suffer badly with daily headaches for the last few years.I was'diagnosed" at a herbalist where there was an intolerance testing machine (mora machine)..that showed lactose and gluten intolerance.(amongst other things)..I know some would not accept the findings of one of these machines as it's not a blood test or recognised as a diagnostic tool medically ...you are 'rigged up'to the machine and it works off frequencis! The reason I had it done was because a very good friend of mine had it done as she was very ill...she gave up the foods she was told to avoid and became practically 100 percent better!I didn't really feel better but the bloating stopped,and also without a doubt gluten does mimic thyroid tissue and causes an autoimmune attack on the thyroid (hashimotos which I'm positive for as are most with thyroid disease)so even though I didn't feel life changing results behind the scenes it would have been reducing my thyroid antibodies and reducing the hashimotos attacks!You are quite correct in that it tastes like cardboard lol!!

[cwill]

So you are between a rock and a hard place. You have hashis and severe gut symptoms that need to be addressed. Being able to link a gluten and dairy free diet with the bloating is a huge result. And have you linked the headaches to being at work or any other factor? I would suggest that you check out some of the SIBO summit on you tube and do your reading. Check out Allison Seibecker's website as she is very knowledgeable and has great free resources.

You will struggle to get anyone to address all your issues. They are out there but you will pay through the nose. So get checked for everything the NHS can offer and do your own research.

[Lozzer66 in reply to cwill]

Yes cwill I've had plenty blood test over the years ...synacthen tests mri and cat scans all trying to get to route of headache problems..if you look at my post from a wk or 2 ago you will see a post on my daily headaches. ...thanks