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I am confused with the blood test result and what the doctor has told me. Please help me.

Here is my case.

I am 25, lives in Sweden, has family history of thyroid problem, my female cousin(31yrs) was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism last year.

My test results from Sweden are like this. TPO ab are very high. Other values are in reference interval.

2014/10/09

-------------------------------------Reference Interval

Free T4--------------14 --------------------------------------------(9-22)

Free T3--------------3.6 ------------------------------------------(2.5-5.6)

Tsh-------------------1.93----------------------------------------- (0.20-4)

TPO ab -------------86 kE/L---------------------------------------(<5.6)

2014/11/26

TPO ab--------------109kE/L-----------------------------------(<5.6)

My doctor said it is normal with those high TPO ab values, because I have a family history. I told him that I am worried I will have miscarriage since TPO ab can cross placenta barrier and attack the embryo, but he said there's nothing he can do about my TPO ab.

So I wonder if indeed nothing needs to be done in my case, since my TPO ab values are not super high and other values are in normal range.

I am so worried that those antibodies will attack my baby. Please tell me what I need to do and prepare so that I can protect my baby.

Thank you so much!!!

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Clutter

Welcome to the forum, Swedishsnow and congratulations on your pregnancy.

UK clinical advice is to increase a newly pregnant hypothyroid woman's Levothyroxine by 50mcg and to keep TSH in the low normal range of 0.4-2.0 with FT4 in the top 75% of range to reduce the risk of miscarriage and post partum thyroiditis. The USA ranges in the link below vary slightly.

Your TSH is almost 2.0 which is the top of the range and your FT4 mid way so I think a dose increase would be prudent and helpful and will help reduce your thyroid antibodies. Your thyroid levels should be monitored every 4 weeks during the first trimester when the baby is dependent on maternal thyroid hormones.

Try not to worry too much about your antibodies, they are quite low and in my area of the UK <100 is considered negative.

Gluten-free diet is recommended by many Hashimoto's members as it can reduce antibodies and Hashimoto's flare ups.

I'm not sure if you will able to access the NICE recommendation below outside of the UK

cks.nice.org.uk/hypothyroid...

hypothyroidmom.com/hashimot...

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swedishsnow in reply to Clutter

Oh thank you so much for your reply.

The test result for TSH from 26/11 is 2.55mE/L, and Tpo ab is 109. Do you think I should start taking Levothyroxine immediately?

I Sweden we have to book a time with the doctor, and then he will diagnose, then give me medicine. I am afraid I can't wait until next month to get my diagnose done :( I am worried, I want the medicine now:(

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Clutter in reply to swedishsnow

Swedishsnow, yes I think you ought to be taking 50mcg Levothyroxine now. Can you book an emergency appointment with your doctor or midwife to get the Levothyroxine prescribed?

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swedishsnow in reply to Clutter

Oh right, I can try to book an emergency appointment. I will do that right now to see if it works. Thank you so much!(crying)

I will come back later with the result.

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Clutter in reply to swedishsnow

Swedishsnow, please don't panic. Your TSH is slightly above what is desirable but was within the desired range a few days ago so getting treatment now should make everything right xx

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swedishsnow in reply to Clutter

Hey Clutter,

If you want to listen to my story today, here it is.

I booked an emergency doctor and met her (Katarina) this morning. I told her everything and she said that she cannot give me any Levothyroxine because my test values are totally normal.

I told her that my tsh value is not normal since I am pregnant.

Then she just said: then it is your midwife health center which should take care of this. So she sent a remiss to midwife health center and asked me to call them to book a time.

Then I called the midwife health center, they said they wouldn't take care of me until I am registered with them, and the registration time for me is next month.

Blahblahblah a lot has happened today, I cried a river and called all the possible numbers, even Katarina's boss to complain about this case.

Finally just now Katarina called me back and she became so much nicer. She said that she consulted an Endocrinology specialist, and specialist said that I should take another blood test in two weeks, to see how it will become. Because it is more accurate if the diagnose is set according to two results in my pregnancy.

So I will take another test on 16 Dec.

Thank you for reading my story Clutter. Your patience is greatly appreciated by me. And I need to ask you a few questions.

1, What do you think of their decision, to take another blood test and then see if I need to be treated or not?

2, I can actually ask my friends to buy Levothyroixine in China and send it to me, probably I can receive it next week. Do you think it is needed?

3, Is it true that women like me, if not treated, will have a much higher risk of miscarriage? Is it possible not to have miscarriage if not treated?

Thank you again for whatever your advice is, I am really grateful for you spend your time writing to me. After a whole day's frustration, it is only when thinking of you that I can feel warm, I can feel that I am supported.

Thanks a lot!!!!

Snow

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Clutter in reply to swedishsnow

Snow, thanks for updating me.

There is higher risk of miscarriage in undiagnosed and untreated hypothyroid women but most, unless previously diagnosed, won't even know they are hypothyroid and will have successful pregnancies and deliver healthy babies.

Remember, you are only very slightly above the low/normal TSH range recommended in the UK. Women miscarrying probably have very high TSH which may be triggered by pregnancy hormones.

After the health scares about adulterated products in China over the last few years I wouldn't recommend Levothyroxine from China. I think it may be better to wait for your repeat blood test in 2 weeks and if your TSH has risen your doctors may prescribe Levothyroxine.

I hope all goes well, Snow. I'm sorry you've not been enjoying your pregnancy with all the worry.

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swedishsnow in reply to Clutter

Thanks for your reply Clutter,

Then I will just simply wait until my next blood test.

You have eased my mind by great deal, I am not so super worried now. Thank you so much indeed.

I will update my status once I have some new information.

Snow

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shawsAdministrator in reply to Clutter

Clutter, I dont know if you will be emailed re response below from swedishsnow.

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Clutter in reply to shaws

Thanks Shaws. I wouldn't have seen Swedishsnow's sad update without you advising me.

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savide in reply to swedishsnow

I am so sorry you cannot get care. It made me cry to read your story....I hope all went well. <3

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swedishsnow

Hey Clutter,

Sadly enough to say, and also dramatically enough to say, that I had my miscarriage on 4 December, so 10 days ago.

I started with brown spotting on 2 December, then blood on the 4th. By then I was in my pregnancy week 6+3 days.

I don't know what to blame, but I strongly think that it is my thyroid that probably caused the miscarriage.

Tmrw I will go have another test of thyroid hormones, but I am not pregnant anymore, so they won't give me any diagnose even if my TSH is over 2.5.

We want to try again this month to see if I become pregnant, but HOW afraid I am to have another miscarriage. It's still hard to believe that I have had a miscarriage, coz I am so young and healthy(as I thought).

Oh god, this thyroid thing really bothers me.

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shawsAdministrator in reply to swedishsnow

I am so sorry you miscarried. I will give you another link which may be helpful too. Many women miscarry if their thyroid hormone are out of whack. When doctors only go by the TSH level it can result in problems rather than taking note of clinical symptoms.

hypothyroidmom.com/about-da...

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swedishsnow in reply to shaws

My next appointment with the doctor is 5 Jan, I don't think she will give me levothyroxine, coz it needs two tests in pregnancy showing that tsh is above 2.5 to diagnose me and give me medicine.

I am taking the second test tmrw, but I have already had the miscarriage.

That's what I am worrying about. I am worried that if I had got pregnant again, at the time between the two tests, I could have had a miscarriage again, namely I could have miscarriage before I am even diagnosed that I need levothyroxine.

Thank you for your concern Shaws.

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shawsAdministrator in reply to swedishsnow

Have your blood test as early as possible, as that's when the TSH is highest but this is also another link which you may find helpful. The doctors should be ensuring you are as healthy as possible for a good pregnancy.

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/testin...

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swedishsnow in reply to shaws

Shaws you said that now is when the TSH is highest, you mean after a miscarriage, Tsh is even higher than when I was pregnant?

I will have a blood test tmrw, it was booked two weeks ago when I was pregnant. They want to see two test results during pregnancy to set a diagnosis.

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swedishsnow in reply to shaws

Thank you for your help Shaws. I will keep updating my status on this case. It feels like a fight between me and the Swedish medical system.

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shawsAdministrator in reply to swedishsnow

It seems to be a worldwide problem nowadays. They don't listen to patient and tell the patient everything is fine and ignore any clinical symptoms.

I didn't mean that this is an ideal time (after a miscarriage) to have the TSH but just to let you know that it varies throughout the day and the TSH isn't always the most accurate way to diagnose a patient.

An early test should show the TSH at its highest. It could mean the difference between being diagnosed or not but some people's TSH doesn't always rise enough for the doctor to give them hormones despite clinical symptoms. It's a mess really.

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swedishsnow in reply to shaws

Yes Shaws, it's crazy. The doctor I met, Katarina, she in not updated at all. She kept denying that my TSH 2.55 is high for pregnant women, just kept kept denying, until I forced her to see Stockholm Medical Guideline website, like the bible for doctors, it clearly says there that if two tests show that a pregnant women has tsh over 2.5, then Levothyroxine should be given. Then she just stopped denying! She even refused to test me again when I requested until she read this and finally arranged another test for me.

It is shocking that how cocky she could be and believe that the patient of course can't know more than her in a certain field.

We will try to get another baby again this month, and meet the doctor next month and I will request another test.

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shawsAdministrator in reply to swedishsnow

We will wait with bated breath.

It is the arrogance that some of them have. We, who desperately need answers to very important questions are ignored and they must have such big egos and feeling of importance that they cannot comprehend anything other than themselves. Her mistake may have cost you the loss of a child. It's not good enough.

It was good you pointed out her serious mistake and I hope you go to someone else to look after you when you become pregnant again.

I know how important it is for you and husband. My daughter unfortunately, couldn't conceive so it was probably her autoimmune conditions (she has a few) that hindered it. She is now past the childbearing stage but you still have the instinct to have your own baby.

Best wishes

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swedishsnow in reply to shaws

Sorry to hear about our daughter's case and thank you for encouraging me.

I am glad that I found you guys to help me out here with your suggestions and mentally. At least somebody understands me here. I feel that I am concerned here. Thank you and I will update my status to you.

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Clutter in reply to swedishsnow

Swedishsnow, I'm so sorry, that's devastating. I can only suggest you persist in requesting Levothyroxine to reduce your TSH into the low normal range 0.4-2.0 while you are trying to conceive and throughout the pregnancy.

I do hope your GPs help you to have a successful pregnancy.

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swedishsnow in reply to Clutter

Yes Clutter, I will be requesting Levothyroxine everytime I see the doctor. But my next appointment will be 5 Jan, and then again 15 Jan. It seems that I have to book as many appointments as possible.

Do you think I need to do something about my TPO ab? Since I checked this antibody attacks the fetus as well, but none of the doctors I have asked seem to agree on that.

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Clutter in reply to swedishsnow

Swedishsnow, adopting a gluten-free diet helps some Hashimoto's patients reduce their antibodies but I don't know how quickly it works and it doesn't help everyone.

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swedishsnow in reply to Clutter

My boyfriend and I are thinking of adopting a gluten-free diet for me. It takes a bit of courage to do so though, coz I am a fan of noodles.

My result comes out today(which I took yesterday) TSH 3.88, TPO ab 106. Not so much to do though, coz my TSH is within the normal range (0.2-4)

And the doctor Katarina told the nurse to tell me that we can discuss about it on 5 Jan.

It seems that all that I can do is to wait. This December is really gloomy for me, I really wish it gone.

My boyfriend and I will try this month to get a baby, I don't believe that I will have another miscarriage, but on the other hand I am a bit worried that it will happen on me again. What do you suggest Clutter?

Thanks.

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Clutter in reply to swedishsnow

Swedishsnow, I really don't know enough to advise. For instance, should your body recover from the miscarriage for a few weeks or is it okay to try to conceive immediately? Your doctor or midwife are the people to advise you.

Re your thyroid, your TSH is rising quite quickly and at this rate you will soon be above the range and will be prescribed Levothyroxine.

I hope your next pregnancy will be successful and you are able to enjoy it without worry.

I'm sure gluten-free noodles must be available if you look for them. Otherwise you may need to buy g-f flour and make your own.

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swedishsnow in reply to Clutter

I checked online that there is no problem to try immediately, so I will give it a try.

I will keep you updated on my next test at 5 Jan.

I genuinely wish you a glad and peaceful coming new year Clutter. Thanks for the help for this month.

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Clutter in reply to swedishsnow

Swedishsnow, I wish you all the best and hope 2015 is better for you.

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Nickinoo1

I would hope that for your next pregnancy they would keep a closer eye on things. Small comfort now I know. I am so sorry to read of your miscarriage.

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swedishsnow in reply to Nickinoo1

I hope so too, but it seems that they don't really care enough and there is nothing specific to blame for a miscarriage.

We will see how it goes between me and the doctors.

Thanks for your reply Nickinoo1.

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savide

Ask about Armour to the community. I about died trying to take Synthroid and Levo. Armour is a naturally occurring thyroid supplement. Still prescription, though. 23 years on Armour, and only had issues when there was a shortage (so I had to order from Canada).

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