Trying quitting sugar after tumor grew an inch in 3 months

[Verbena1]

Hi all,

After getting a not so great petscan yesterday and knowing that after having great results last time that now I’m back to this thing growing again, I feel like it’s time to take a look at my part.

I’ve always had a thing for sugar, it’s in damn near everything we eat, and takes a concerted effort for me to really stay away from it. Honestly, there have been many times when I’m eating sugar and I can feel my chest hurt. I know better. I just don’t always want to do better! It’s like a relationship that I can’t seem to leave, no matter how bad it makes me feel.

Sugar is my greatest addiction. But knowing that it also fuels tumors into growing, I have to say I know better. I’ll probably eventually make the switch away from wheat products too, since bread and starch essentially do the same thing. But one thing at a time~

I’m just so tired of this. I don’t want to contribute to my own demise anymore. Well meaning family members have suggested I lay off the sugar, but it has to be my choice.

Yesterday after getting the results of my scan, I just felt so hopeless again. My dad was with me and I could tell he really didn’t know what to say. It’s not the worst news ever, I mean I’ve come such a long way from last year. But I want to stick around for a while and I’m really not helping things.

I’m no expert in health, but the other side of this is that my Oncologists say there’s no problem in eating whatever you want. Eat sugar if you feel like it, it’s good for you. That’s fine if you’re not dealing with stage 4 cancer and potentially cutting your life short. For some of us sugar is a luxury that isn’t easy to afford.

I also wanted to share a video I had seen a couple of years ago about a man who reversed his cancer eliminating sugar completely, it really gave me a lot of hope if anyone is interested.

youtu.be/N5O9q1X2s_I(Not working as expected?)

I can’t tell anyone else what to do, I know each person has their own path and has to do what works for them. My take has always been that I should be able to enjoy life and eat some sugar occasionally if I want it. The issue for me is that I eat it addictively, and once I have one of anything, it turns into many more than one. Like ten more~

Anyway I guess I just needed to get down some thoughts. I can’t say I’ll do it perfectly but feeling like with all these treatments and drugs and constant scans, I don’t really have any control over my own body anymore, this is something I do have control over.

[Hidden]

HiYou may want to read the article at the link below re sugar and cancer:

google.com/amp/s/news.cance...

Always good to get various opinions!

[Verbena1 in reply to Hidden]

Thanks I will read it!

[Verbena1 in reply to Hidden]

Checked out the article; interesting read, although a bit conflicting. If you really want to get the most out of that article, read through the comments. Mostly very opposing counter responses, and lots of weigh ins on the topic…

[Garden-Lady]

I found eating the Blue Zones way very helpful : mostly plant based, lots of fruit, vegetables, nuts and pulses. No sugar, very small amounts of meat and dairy, occasionally. It's the same as the anticancer diet. Most doctors are not trained in anticancer nutrition.I support you! Xx

[Verbena1 in reply to Garden-Lady]

Appreciate the suggestion I’m looking into it, thanks!

[Hidden]

Hi Verbena1 -

I'm sorry about the scan results and applaud you taking action! I wouldn't be surprised if you felt better overall after a few days of sugar withdrawal....

I'm sure you've read about 100 different things people do in an effort to fight the disease - I do about 12 of them! - but I'll toss out to you a suggestion that you consider fasting as part of your new routine. My docs support my intermittent fasting but say that an occasional 24-48 hour fast is even better....The famous Joe Tippen, who many follow re: his success with anti-parasiticals (sp?), also did a multi-week fast (rather than get a feeding tube) following his dx, which I suspect helped at least as much as the dog de-wormer!

Wishing you great success in beating this back!

Lynn

[Verbena1 in reply to Hidden]

Thank you LynnFish! Funny you mention the sugar withdrawal, I had forgotten about those and they’re happening now, good times~

I love the fasting suggestion. My only hesitation would be for any longer fasts, since I’m going back on ibrance. Not sure how that would work on a daily oral med?

So determined to do anything I can to keep my body as healthy as I can make it for “operation shrink this thing!”

[Karenborg in reply to Hidden]

Can't believe her doc said sugar is good for you...said no one Ever!! True fasting is probably the best thing one can do to treat illness or prevent it. Gives cells time to recycle and renew without interruption as in food. Easy to do once you get used to it. (Damn I still have pasta once a week). It's tricky for sure. I started fasting as soon as I had my diagnosis (er pr + her 2 -). Then double mastectomy. As soon as I woke from surgery I was up and about in the ward and had almighty energy to everyone's disbelief! Like a flat chested superwoman lol. And as far as dewormer..fenbendazole for me. Take it regularly. Doesn't hurt and it's scientifically proven to help certain cancers so why not? So I've been lucky for now I'm on letrozole only as my treatment as my lymph nodes were clear. However it's always in the back of your mind it may well return. So im trying to deter it without sugar(God it's in everything!) And fenbendazole.

[Verbena1 in reply to Karenborg]

You have a great attitude~

Yes and fenben is great paired with ivermectin, I’ve seen many stage 4s get clear scans while using them. I don’t remember the exact reason but fenben is apparently helpful when using sugar.

[Karenborg in reply to Verbena1]

As do you. Rare to find people on this site that have what we have in common. Would you mind if I ask your fen Ben and ivermectin protocol? How much how often please. Thanks for your reply

[Verbena1 in reply to Karenborg]

Sure thing…the dosage I could probably up a bit but I’m super cautious about everything to a degree.

The fenben I had to stop recently because I may be getting into a drug trial which is kind of strict…the recommended dosage varies according to who you’re listening to, but the recommended dosage from the FB fenben board is to start small (222mg/ day) and work up to 2000. I haven’t gotten that high of a dose yet, I think I got up to 600-700 or so. It’s important to add a liver support like Tudca though, each day because fenben can spike your liver enzymes and the numbers make the doctors unhappy.

The ivermectin is available either in pill form or paste OTC. The pills dosage was 3 mg/ day for 3 days per week. The paste form I did 2 small eraser sized doses / day and swallowed them like a pill. There is also some variance on dosages depending on who you ask. There’s also a good FB group for that called Ivermectin for cancer, I think? Either way both groups have a searchable database of files, success stories, etc. Very useful.

Hope that helps!

[Karenborg in reply to Verbena1]

Ok great info. Tudca? Never heard of. Will look into it. I've never taken more than 222mg and not sure if I need to as I have Ned. So just using as preventative for now. Plus gets rid of parasites which is a bonus for anyone. Hope your doing well btw x

[Hidden]

Sorry about your scan resultsYou are a braver woman than me trying to give up sugar. It is my worst vice. I try to give it up for Lent but always get such a bad headache I have to cave 🤦‍♀️.

I do fast from early evening through to late ish morning and I am on Ibrance. Basically the theory is that cancer feeds on Glucose so cutting out the glucose for a period makes the body respond in a certain way. You could be good for 3 weeks whilst on Ibrance and then eat some nice things on your week off. That’s what I try to do - but I invariably fail, so I tell myself I am doing well by not eating anything too sweet too late at night.

Do let us know how you get on and very good luck to you.

Clare the chocoholic

[Verbena1 in reply to Hidden]

Excellent suggestion on the fasting days…and I hear you, chocoholic, I’m the biggest sugar addict I know! I’ve quit many times. Will keep you posted on progress~

[Itisfinished]

Hello Verbena1,

First of all do not beat yourself up for enjoying what you enjoy. Even the most healthiest people in the world get cancer. I am a God fearing, God loving believer! In Gods word it tells us that it's not what we put in our mouth that defiles us but what comes out of our mouth. He is speaking of our heart. He made all things to be enjoyed however we all know moderation is a good thing. I like my sweets also and at the beginning of this journey I cut everything out and about killed myself from being malnourished. So I prayed about it and I ask Him for His wisdom on what I need to do! After all it is our Father who knows every hair on our head and named each star. He has the final word not the Dr. So be at peace my friend and dont allow the lies to take root of this being your fault because that's just not true. Be blessed and rest in Him!🌈🙏

Michelle❤

[Verbena1 in reply to Itisfinished]

Very well said, thank you for saying that, I definitely needed to hear it…I tend to be very “all or nothing” at times and you nailed it for me…appreciate that! 💖

[Akbirdy]

You are definitely on the right track! Remember that oncology is a very narrow field and they can't focus on nutrition or alternative treatments ( unless they are an alternative oncologist) so, they don't have helpful information on that aspect of your life. I'm so glad that you recognize the facts about sugar. So, just take that into consideration, and don't let negative thinking stop you from making positive changes. Don't underestimate how huge of a difference you can make in your cancer growth by cutting out sugar! There are many studies on it, but most have been done in other countries. Also, look into intermittent fasting for cancer growth. It has very promising results and makes perfect sense. Cancer cells do not have the ability to protect themselves when they are starved of nutrients. They just die. Healthy cells go into healing mode when they're not busy processing food. So even fasting a few times a week, for periods of 16 hours is extremely useful for your healing process. I've done a lot of research and had positive results with my tumor markers when I do an anti-inflammatory diet with intermittent fasting. I still do fruit to some level as long as it doesn't trigger sugar cravings, but just eat a simpler diet. My inflammation goes way down and it shows up in my blood work.

[Verbena1 in reply to Akbirdy]

Thank you for this vote of confidence, I’m always happy when someone is able to validate the sugar/cancer connection. As much as I know it in my gut, researching it and talking to my Onc always brings up anxiety because it’s naturally discounted as anything valid. I’m on day 3 and I feel like someone beat me with a stick. This usually happens whenever I quit processed sugars, although like you I do still do some fruits. I don’t seem to have any issues there. If I eat any sugar, my breast starts to hurt, so I know it’s right. I’ll look into doing some IF too, I started doing one meal a day right before I was hospitalized and it really seemed to help. Glad to hear you have good results with this too, thanks again!

[Dragonfly2 in reply to Akbirdy]

I was happy to read about your intermittent fasting suggestion. I had read that before in other sites and the cancer cells dying while fasting is a fascinating topic. I have tried a 24 hour fast a couple of times and it was perfectly fine. Black coffee, lemon/ginger tea or water keeps me going. once I pass the noon time mark Im able to keep it going until I make supper - that's 24 hours from the previous supper time. The only issue I have is that as soon as I do restart eating, i get diarrhea...not worries since it's usually at home but apparently it's a common reaction. Try to avoid fats or cabs...start with proteins and it's less urgent. I got my info from Dr. Mindy Pelz...

drmindypelz.com

her discussion about why intermittent fasting is good for humans is interesting from a evolutionary perspective. It's how humans lived, hunted and ate. Her explanation about cancer cell death works for me. I try to fast at least once a week.

best wishes!

[Verbena1 in reply to Dragonfly2]

Thanks for the info, I’ll check her out!

Yeah the fasting is so interesting, I’ve heard from quite a few people that they’ve had a lot of success with fasting before or during treatment while getting chemo.

[RLN-overcomer]

Greetings : Sister/warrior. Sugar is truly an addictive over-processed substance that truly affects our dopamine (feel good) levels in our brains. It is a natural high that our bodies continue to chase . I had struggled with eating way too much sugar for years. For the past 10 years on the Lent holiday I would fast from sugar for 40 days .But on that 41st day I would continue my sugar addiction by having a slice of pie, a Granola bar, and yesssss 20-25 pieces of candy. I would also have 4-5 spoons of sugar in my tea or de-cafe coffee. Every night I would go to sleep with a piece of candy in my mouth. Well this Lent April 2021 I stopped eating the candy, and sugar laden foods/drinks. This year after Lent I only allowed myself an almost half portion of pie, with unsweetened milk which I add 3 drops of Stevia to the quart container along with 2 pinches of sea salt . If I have tea or coffee, I use 1 tablespoon of sugar along with 1 tablespoon of honey, and 8 drops of stevia in a 16 Oz coffee, or tea. I will eat an apple daily, along with 7 cherries, or a serving of 1/4 quart of diced watermelon . I still have 4 containers of candy that I haven't craved, or touched since April 2021 Lent . I think the Covid-19, 20, and 2021 pandemic has helped to keep me focused on strengthening my immune system. It will take time to stop using the excessive amounts of sugar we use in our diets, and eating the sugar laden foods. and desserts.. I haven't eaten, or craved ice cream, or cake in years, In my past sugar addiction days I would fight you for my favorite candies or cookies. I started by limiting my sugar, and adding more Stevia😀 . I started reading labels, and purchased everything unsweetened, including unsweetened cocoa powder When I was trying to stop and that sugar craving would come over me, I would do things to focus off. of the urge to partake. I would drink 16 Oz of water, run in place, brush my teeth, and tell myself sugar is detrimental , and unhealthy to my temple. As a Christian I believe GOD has given me this temple to take care of. I believe there was no Ben & Jerry's or sugar processed desserts hanging on the tree's in the Garden of Eden. Nor was there cheeseburgers or other processed/ fast foods hanging from the tree's.😇 I hope/pray you will kick your sugar addiction ASAP Amen

[Verbena1 in reply to RLN-overcomer]

Very inspiring, thanks for sharing that! It sounds like you’ve come such a long way, and I think I can do it too, it’s been a lifelong addiction that I feel is ruining my health…stevia is my favorite thing right now. Congratulations on overcoming this little beast!

[RLN-overcomer]

This will make you laugh many years ago I would go to a local little restaurant for breakfast, and the server preparing my tea would jokingly say would you like some tea with your sugar.😀 Sugar addiction is real🙃, and the sugar industry is adding it to everything, as they line their pockets with dollar bills. Our children are increasingly over weight, and becoming diabetic at younger ages. You have to look at sugar as the enemy, and this can help you stop, partaking of it, especially during this time when your body needs healing/restoration. 😇🙏

[Verbena1 in reply to RLN-overcomer]

Amen to that! Agree totally. I almost don’t know anyone who isn’t somewhat addicted to sugar, although most of us don’t realize it.

[Colacancer]

Sugar is the worst. And OH MY GOSH AM I WITH YOU. I am tomorrow starting Barbara O'Neil cancer protocol. NO SUGAR.. EVEN FRUIT. her diet is about creating a condition in your body that won't grow cancer. So no acid(sugar is the harshest creator)Alkaline

No wheat, no meat, no dairy and definately nothing refined.. sugar the worst.

Can eat beans wide variety, and all vegetables. 6 weeks.

And oh my gosh I don't think I could do it if it was longer. No caffeine either(coffee and tea big acidifiers). Then OXYGEN EXERCISE.. . like heavy oxygenation the blood. I have a huge hill in my back yard that I'm trying to work up to walking 4000 steps a day. Goal is 6000.

I'm stage 4 and I have a severely autistic child. Single parent. I've got to stick around. So I'm doing anything I can to change this situation. And yep, my sugar addiction has won long enough. I feel for ya. Breaking it AINT GONNA BE EASY. but we can do it. And in baby steps. 6 weeks is doable. You know I'll be having a steak the day I'm off!!!hahaha

Be blessed. GID WANTS US AROUND

NICHOLA

[Verbena1 in reply to Colacancer]

good for you, that sounds awesome! Yes speaking of alkaline I just started doing a baking soda protocol for cancer and it cut my pain by like 60-70%! Insane. So many helpful things we can do. Good luck with the diet~

[Colacancer in reply to Verbena1]

So today is first day no sugar or caffeine.. oh geez. Hello head explosion. Hahahh the worst.. im gonna feel pretty bad for a couple of weeks. I call it the fall out.. oiy.I'm doing caster oil pads with baking soda and garlic oil for a week then oregano oil the next week. Trying to fake out the cancer. I was only drink a cup of black tea a day. Occasional coffee so this head ache must be the SUGAR. ugh... water water water. My son had an emotional day . So I'm having a few hang overs all at once. Wednesday is my first cat scan since being diagnosed pray for me . All emotional stuff. I've had a heck of a time with Ibrance.. cant seem to recover so they keep taking me off for more the a week at a time which makes me scared. I pray we haven't matastisized. My sons autism has added to a brutal mix of chaos while trying to cope. Was just weeping in the bathroom. .. he asks are you sad. He acted out all day..

[Verbena1 in reply to Colacancer]

ugh so sorry to hear that, it’s so sweet that he asked about you. Keep us posted on how things go…

[HbbM in reply to Verbena1]

He Verbena, reading through your posts and comments I think we are very like minded. Can you tell me about the baking soda protocol you did? Are you still doing it? How did it go for you? You can private message me if you prefer.

[Colacancer]

GOD WANTS US AROUND.. WHOS GID