Where did I put that bar of soap.

[Madlegs1]

Raffs will just love this!🤪

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Basically, placebo effect works just as well,even if you know it is a placebo.

Implications for RLS could be interesting

[Cameronb]

Hi,I genuinely do believe that up to a point rls is psychological,I've tested the theory on myself on occasion and lo and behold it rls appears. Xx

[Madlegs1 in reply to Cameronb]

I agree. I got one night from a bar of soap. And about 8 months from prescribed quinine. I can psyche myself into rls, but not out of it .

[Cameronb in reply to Madlegs1]

Indeed!!

[Cameronb]

If you don't mind me picking your brain but in your opinion what is the most effective treatment for rls? Xx

[Madlegs1 in reply to Cameronb]

Opioids. If you can get prescribed them. Methadone or a form of Buprenorphin.

If you conveniently break your back and get prescribed opioids, then a side effect will be almost complete relief of rls. (My case)

Otherwise you're looking at DA meds( Gabapentin or Pregabalin types) and tinkering around with checking iron levels, triggers- meds or food.

Just read back the posts here for last few months.

Good luck.

[Eryl in reply to Cameronb]

I control mine with a strict low carb and no processed food diet.

[Hidden]

NOTE

I've come across this study before.

There's no evidence that placebos can directly improve the signs and symptoms of a physical condition.

Clinical trials that demonstrate a particular newly developed medicine is effective always show that the medicine has a statistically signficant greater benefit than does a placebo. If it doesn't then it's not shown to be effective.

You wouldn't take a placebo for cancer or for an infection of for covid 19 or to increase ferritin levels.

As the article says, a placebo can make you feel different about your condition and hence improves the subjective experience of it.

That is particularly useful if there is an emotional element to a condition that might exacerbate symptoms such as RLS or pain.

You can of course take a placebo alongside a physiologically active medicine, but not always a good idea to take one instead.

[Zadoc in reply to Hidden]

Thank you,

[Hidden]

When I saw the title I thought - I KNOW where you can put the soap

Never knock placebos. I had one once, but I had to stop as the side effects were awful

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

I used to take a placebo for split personality, it worked for a while, but then it started making my symptoms worse.

I think it's called fragmentation.

[Madlegs1]

Ye are both of ye absolutely hilarious,so ye are! Altogether!

😆😎

[DicCarlson]

Well I've always been intrigued by the ability of people with dissociative personality disorder (split personality) to actually have a physical disease manifest in one personality, yet have it disappear in another personality. A popular book "You are the Placebo" by Dr. Joe Dispenza amazon.com/You-Are-Placebo-...

[Hidden in reply to DicCarlson]

That's interesting, but I suspect it's not quite what it sounds like,

Dissociative disorders can take several forms. One form used to be called "conversion hysteria". This is where a psychological issue is "converted" into an apparent physical one.

I once met a few people diagnosed with this. One was apparently paralysed from the waist down, another was apparently blind,and another suffered a hysterical "stupor" and was unresponsive to anything (a bit like a coma).

There wasn't actually anything physically wrong with any of them and they all recovered.

I suspect that this is the basis of what you describe. Since however many personalities anybody has, they still share the same body.

What does the book say?

[DicCarlson in reply to Hidden]

From the book synopsis: " Is it possible to heal by thought alone—without drugs or surgery? The truth is that it happens more often than you might expect. In You Are the Placebo, Dr. Joe Dispenza shares numerous documented cases of those who reversed cancer, heart disease, depression, crippling arthritis, and even the tremors of Parkinson’s disease by believing in a placebo. Similarly, Dr. Joe tells of how others have gotten sick and even died the victims of a hex or voodoo curse—or after being misdiagnosed with a fatal illness. Belief can be so strong that pharmaceutical companies use double- and triple-blind randomized studies to try to exclude the power of the mind over the body when evaluating new drugs."

[Hidden in reply to DicCarlson]

According to the ICD 11

Split personality is now called Dissociative Identity Disorder

Conversion Hysteria is called Dissociative neurological symptom disorder and Hysterical stupor is called Dissociative trance.

icd.who.int/browse11/l-m/en...

[Hidden]

Furthermore, the modern use of the word "hysteria" was first used in the 19th Century. Sigmund Freud used it to describe a form of neurosis he thought was only suffered by women and he thought it was due to sexual repression.

The word however was first used to describe a condition suffered by only women by the Greek surgeon and philosopher Claudius Galenus, more commonly known as Galen, who died in 210 AD.

He took the term from the Greek for uterus (womb) i.e. Hystera, because he believed that it was due to the womb wandering about the body. It wasn't treated by carrying out a hysterectomy, but various treatments have been tried indcluding marriage, pregnancy and external stimulation to "anchor" the womb.

I wonder if he knew about RLS and how he explained it.

When I was young, my dad used to say I had ants in my pants.

[DicCarlson in reply to Hidden]

Hmmm, I see a reply from you in my email, but it isn't here. The tenet of the book is not TAKING a placebo - but utilizing your mind to promote change or healing with belief and intention. Hence, you become the placebo! Here's a video connecting it to quantum physics - all very fascinating! youtube.com/watch?v=JeHq1Y7...(Not working as expected?)

[Hidden in reply to DicCarlson]

That makes it clearer but it may be a possible misinterpretation of the word "placebo".

I still think it's unwise for someone to take a placebo or become their own placebo instead of taking a standard treatment.

Certainly for issues such as cancer, chronic lung diseases and viral infections.

[Whymelord]

Hi,I bought the biggest bar of lavender soap I could find but needless to say it didn’t help,everything is worth a try but I think I’ll take it out and use it in the bath ,might work better there.