I wrote this as a reply on another thread but have had a request it be posted as a thread in its own right:
There are vaccines for the most common flu viruses each year and there is also a degree of immunity in the general population - which means when a slightly mutated version appears the body is part way to recognising it and developing appropriate immunity. The difference with this virus is that it is brand new - so no-one had had any immunity and no-one knows much about how it behaves. It is a 2019 version of the SARS (2003) and MERS (2012) viruses. Both SARS and MERS were a lot less contagious but more likely to kill you if you got them.
With "ordinary" flu it spreads around the world more slowly so we in the west are able to benefit from a vaccine developed in the lag period. And with ordinary flu the deaths are more often from secondary, usually bacterial, infections, for which there are also vaccines. The pneumonia Covid causes is different, due to the way the virus itself attaches to the lung tissue which reduces the amount of oxygen your body can get.
Even the patients who don't get it really badly may require high dependency hospital care with oxygen - and those are facilities that are limited, not only in number but also in staff to look after the patients in them. It is now emerging that it isn't only older sicker people who get very ill with it, a study in Germany has found people of all ages, from 19 to 60+ who became very ill. When those beds are full - the hospital has to stop other things, your routine op will go by the board but also they can't look after trauma patients or heart attack victims. And Covid spreads so fast that you get a peak that totally overwhelms the supply of healthcare.
So travel restrictions serve several purposes - and one is that being in a restricted area with recycled air is a lovely incubator to spread the virus to everyone else there. An example is the young woman who travelled from Vietnam to Europe at a point when Vietnam had almost no cases. All passengers on the return flight were asked where they had been and she saw fit to not mention she'd visited her sister in Paris and also went to Milan at a point when it was already a restricted zome. It turns out her sister tested positive for Covid. A couple a few seats from her got off the plane and mixed with hundreds of others in transport and hotels in the first few days of their holiday - and then they became ill. So all those contacts are also at risk - and since it spreads before the symptoms appears they are spreading it far and wide. And then there are the superspreaders - who have no symptoms at all so don't ever restrict their contact with others.
That is a pattern that has been repeated a lot I think right from the start. Where there is no logic is the pattern of stopping travel - it is difficult to see how you can say the UK is safe and Denmark isn't for example. What concerns me is the appearance that economics is more important than anything else. Once the spread gets to a certain point it takes off and becomes exponential - and then you are in trouble. The countries with almost no cases this time reacted immediately on the basis of their experiences with SARS and MERS. Will they later have more problems with a rebound infection? Who knows. But they have bought themselves time for drugs that will mitigate the effects to be identified and maybe even time to make a vaccine, though that will take a lot longer, the middle to end of 2021 is likely.
Italy is ahead of the curve, mistakes were made and we are reaping the whirlwind - the rest of Europe is a couple weeks behind, the UK further still and it looks as if the same mistakes were and are being made. There is no way of knowing where you are in the US - not enough testing being done to have the full picture. Will stopping some people on some planes make a difference? I doubt it somehow. But maybe it makes people feel something is being done? Again, who knows
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Keep on posting !! often. You have so much information. I am about a week ahead of our officials. I cancelled teaching my easy easy yoga classes and a week later the building decided to close. I cancelled taking my Swedish classes and a week later the building closed. I am hoping to keep on being a week ahead and hoping it will have served me well. I am friendly and see a lot of people but LOVE LOVE LOVE being at home. I wake and think oh, what do I have to do today_? and now I think, NOTHING!!! hurrah. no problem adjusting to isolation. I would be a good prisoner. will have to consider a life of crime when this clears up! LOL
I don't mind either - in fact currently struggling to find time to watch a Maigret I recorded a couple of weeks ago! Thought it would happen today - there being no sport of any sort to watch. Should have been skiing and rugby - all gone
Me too re- the issue of self isolating. Love the feeling of no commitments after years and years of too many. I have formed an attachment to the postman though.
There you go , you've found a silver lining to self isolation , you're being forced to slow down and can do it completely guilt free with no need of explanation. Plus , I have always loved our postman , apart from wearing shorts in all weathers and seasons he always knocks to check on old or sick people , and is happy to feed your cat when you go away .
Re. the shorts: a couple of weeks ago, I was at the garage, waiting for tyres to be fitted (oh, those heady days when you could go out and sit in a slightly grimy waiting area!) and a man came in, wearing shorts. I asked him why he was wearing shorts, as it was freezing. The answer? He’s a delivery driver and in and out of the van in all weathers. He said that if his trousers got wet, he then had to sit in them, but if he was in shorts, he could dry his legs and be more comfortable. Perhaps that explains why posties wear them, too!
I wouldn't have thought of it but a year after we moved here a friend went on holiday first and when I offered to feed her cat she said don't worry about that J..... does it just tell him when you go away. He buys essentials each day and delivers them to the people who need them . He is also incredibly good at a funny three minute rant if you've been on your own all day it's the perfect antidote .
There was an item on the news last night examining why there has been such a difference between Washington State and British Columbia. It really all came down to the robust Public Health response on the Canadian side of the border, and people doing their bit because they had information and knew how they had to adjust their behaviour. As a doctor said on the radio today people are going to complain that their hockey season has been cancelled and they can't go eat in restaurants and schools are closed .... and then in the end nothing much happened. That's the point of Public Health. So "nothing" happens!
I remember the year of h1n1 when I had my first flu shot ever because it was a type of flu which was killing young people and I knew I needed to be part of the immunized herd. There must have been many people like me because, although there were a few deaths and still, as far as I know, the usual number of flu cases, "nothing" happened - the herd immunization protected the vulnerable.
Thanks for your post! I’m trying to filter incoming info to stay updated and informed, quite the feat given the frenzy of reports and changes daily. I’m trying to focus on the reports that highlight how countries are helping one another, and stories that include “positive” content. I view info with a critical eye ensuring the source is reliable and hopefully the content will be accurate.
I’ve cancelled my domestic flight here in Canada as soon as schools were closed. That seemed to be the point at which the risk was not worth the reward.
On the plus side here at home we are getting some spring cleaning done and catching up on shows I’ve been meaning to watch. Lots of home cooking which is good for us, but sadly our local community centre has closed so getting creative with hubby to get in our workouts at home. I find myself dancing in the living room, and he is using his free weights and doing isometrics here at home. We play more ping pong too. Lastly I’ll be stocking up on my medication Monday as this is my priority item.
Being very social, and preferring organic connection, I’ve decided to not cancel the birthday dinner I had planned for my two girlfriends today. I will cook them a delicious steak and seafood dinner, consume some bubbly, and enjoy some much needed connection. Lots of hand washing, no hugs, hand sanitizer...but a good time regardless. I’m also glad to have a connection with the fine folks on this forum. Your ongoing posts are most welcome!
I’m predicting a surge in babies in about 9 months time, phone sex and sexting will be on the rise, and stock in toilet paper and hand sanitizer manufacturers will surely soar.
I've been promoting this forum on Facebook groups so that might be part of the reason for the surge. The age is generally younger on there. A few in their 40s even.
I wish I didn’t have to go to work in a hospital in these times, even though I don’t have direct patient contact and work at home 2 days per week, I have become quite anxious about this virus and being on prednisone. It doesn’t help trying to reduce and avoid another ulcerative colitis flare. I am finding it difficult to sleep. I have 20 year olds at home who don’t grasp the seriousness of the virus. My son is on hypertension meds (ARB) and then I read that they can possibly worsen outcomes of the virus. I see the UK govt response and it shocks and angers me. I went to a funeral home yesterday and people still ran up and hugged me.
Glad I live in Ontario. But too many people here still are underestimating the potential for harm of this virus especially among the vulnerable. Good you are enjoying getting things done at home. The one good outcome might be families are forced to stay home together and reconnect instead of rushing out to activities every night. I enjoyed reading your post, take care.
The govt might have been acting like plonkers, but most people I have heard in public are taking it seriously. And no one would dare hug me without my say so. At anytime. Try the palms up and say please stop to stop people several feet away. You have to be firm. Like with dogs 😉
One of them has it. I wish her a speedy and full recovery. The Health Secretary (Hancock) is choosing to disseminate 'information' through the Daily Telegraph now it seems. The Scottish Health Secretary has had a bit to say on that this morning....
You should have seen him on Sky this morning - telling the world that they will buy any ventilators they have available. Any number. Didn't hear any recruiting of the critical care nurses they need to actually use them on patients though!
Will the car industry be told to repurpose to manufacture ICU equipment and masks?
My thoughts are with you and others in the health care industry who face risks every day. I’m also mindful of all the other industry workers who find themselves without work, or limited hours...everything from travel to retail. I keep hearing from folks older than I, that they have never seen anything like this.
New restrictions coming for those over 70 and or immunocompromised? This could last a long time? Quebec is urging anyone 70+ to stay home. No mention of younger people with health conditions who have to work. BBC is saying new restrictions are coming.
That is a terrific informative post, thank you!! It is exhausting here in the US to get any 'straight' information with the exception of Dr. Fauci...political jabber from an ill-equipped President with more concern about blame and the economy....and barely any testing, which to me is much more important than travel restrictions. Last Thursday I made the decision to stay home except for appointments I HAVE to keep. In one situation I can have a virtual appointment.
Sadly, I think significant testing here is still at least a few weeks away. My guess is that the US will be hit hard because of the bungling and 6-8 week delay in really addressing Covid19. I know many people who are self-isolating and doing only what is essential on the outside. It is so heartwarming to see the kindness and caring extended by others in this situation. A young couple stopped by yesterday and wanted to know if I needed anything from the market. I resisted the temptation to list all kinds of chocolate and made out a fairly sensible, though dull, list.
The state of Maine just identified its first case on Thursday. Even in its silence people had been preparing for a few weeks. It is very difficult to know what the status is with NO testing....but you just knew it was lurking.
I hope you all take care and are able to get what you need.💗💗
Staying home gives us many opportunities to indulge ourselves....I just may paint a canvas or two~! I'm no Monet...but I sure have fun. Gus loves my work.😽😻😻
It does and you should have gone for the chocolate.... Lovely gesture by them. I always think people, especially younger people are much kinder than we give then credit for😊.
We have heard that the individual states have, where they are able, stepped in to do what the feds have fumbled. The problem is there is so much disparity amongst the states and of course the virus knows no borders.
Because test kits are limited, here they are only testing when someone has symptoms. In all cases where they know they have been in contact with a known case, or, now, when they have returned from travel where there are known cases, even if they have no symptoms people are being asked to self-isolate for two weeks. I think places like Maine and Atlantic Canada have the advantage of time, because we've had practice in the ways we have to alter our behaviour without actually running too much risk during the learning period when we slip up.
On the other hand there is some stress involved. I feel like I am packing for a trip only I don't know what I'll need, that sort of feeling.
There's been a Korean political/health/media type person on bbc breakfast news.. Didn't quite catch her details.... But she said the South Koreans have tested the whole time and hoping to do most of the population. Might be true might not be but she did talk sense. At least you know the waves and movements of the virus if you can test and retest within a reasonably short period.
Our issue is the test swabs we have been using are made in Italy so as you can imagine there is a limited supply which must be used judiciously. There is also no need to test people with no symptoms. The emphasis here has been on social distancing, plus advice like not to go on cruises, not to travel out of the country, not to attend gatherings and to self-isolate if you have cold symptoms only calling appropriate authority if symptoms indicate a need for the covid-19 test. Our test sites are "assessment" centres set up apart from hospital emergency departments and not everyone who is okayed to come to the centre is swabbed. Saw a picture of one of these centres yesterday and the poor person doing the assessments, completely hidden by her protective gear! Not a single person tested, several hundred now, has tested positive and these people will all have been pre-screened for suspicious symptoms.
My take is when the disease hits our area and especially if there is local transmission then they will step up the testing big time.
I agree testing should have been the priority. I read early on the in the UK if 100 tested ositive then test g would stop. But to be honest I haven't read anything since disputing or supporting it. There have been supposed drive thru set up and I saw the testing F ilities at the a and e I was stuck in last week were in a separate building.
I guess that makes some sort of sense, because after that point they will be counting known cases, not looking for new ones. On the other hand, given the similarity of the symptoms to other more common diseases they might not get a very accurate picture in the end. This is probably why our people are only testing those with symptoms and I expect they will continue to do so for the duration.
I’m in New Jersey and supermarkets are running out of food and of course toilet paper. The situation in New York is not good and Seattle is not good either. I think New Jersey is about or at least where I live it’s about a week or two away of the seriousness of not having test kits. Our president messed up and basically ignored the seriousness of the coronavirus. Things are being attended to now which would have been very beneficial to start when the rest of the world did. Lots of us have taken the matter into our own hands and shut down meetings and entertainment events. I have done a lot of shopping but I know it would never last The three months that I am reading will be necessary.
Thank heaven for Dr. Fauci ~! There are now seven cases in Maine and like yourself, I am sure we will be seeing a big spike~the whole country will. My hope is that the hospital, singular, in my region, will be able to handle the necessary cases and provide proper care. Fifty miles south of me is Portland with three larger hospitals, but I'm sure they will be busy.
I did shopping a few weeks ago and have sufficient food, some of these challenges are a bit easier being alone. I use mailorder pill packets so I'm all set with meds and the local CVS will mail any scripts I might need that are out of the usual 'cocktail.'
I'll certainly be thinking of you and all my new found buddies across the pond...hang on, I think it is going to be a bumpy ride for a bit~!💗
Yes, I don't know why Trump hasn't turned from orange to red~!🥴🥴
Errr no. Its not influenza as we know it captain....I agree the media has helped empty shelves, but it's not just a "flu virus". Read the research and medical material not just the media.
No - that is the entire problem. And people taking that attitude are the ones who are contributing to it spreading so fast. The spread must be slowed down to take some of the burden off the healthcare system in the hope it won't collapse completely.
Not a flu virus in the first place. Symptoms like flu, like a bad cold..... And one to which NO ONE has immunity with a death rate much higher than than the average flu, because NO ONE has immunity, and there is as yet no vaccine. This is why we need to be careful. My daughter might be fine after a bout with covid, for example, because she is much younger. I might not be, her father definitely would not be as he gets everything going when it comes to repiratory illnesses, despite being vigilant about getting pneumonia vaccine, etc. i do not think it is possible to "hype" the disease. What I object to is the hoarders and profiteers who have been making a mint from those who are afraid a quarantine might last longer than two weeks.
Furthermore, as we are all vulnerable and I think the estimate is eventually, hopefully later rather than sooner for the sake of the health care system, about 80% of us will catch it, there is an unfortunate possiblily that there will be millions of people on the planet suffering from long term after effects even if, like most young people seem to be, their experience of the actual disease is minor. There are those who believe that their ME or CFS started after they had a case of flu. This is something that afflicts the young, not just a burden for the aged who aren't long for this life anyway.... We don't know what the long term effects, if any, there will be for individuals who catch covid. So personally I would rather avoid catching it and hope that the vaccination is ready before I or my loved ones do.
Actually Flus are caused by various strains of virus , Covid 19 is a type of Coronavirus , but SARS and MERS are Coronavirus types too.
Coronavirus can have many different types that fit into four different sub groups , some are simple and non deadly others aren't.
Influenzas do kill approx 100'000 people a year despite vaccination programmes, and you wouldn't underrate SARS or MERS , also Coronavirus types.
Covid 19 should be considered as serious as outbreaks of SARS , especially as Doctors are still trying to understand it and how to cure it. Unlike , Flu Viruses there is no vaccination for those in vulnerable groups.
One thing that does cause confusion is that the keep putting Coronavirus as the name on Media reports rather than Covid 19.
😳... not quite. ( it will not do harm to err on the side of caution- but if we err on the side of not being cautious enough it will be catastrophic. )
I can’t speak for other countries- but as an American, and I’m putting all politics aside as it’s truly not the time nor place in my opinion as this is a humanitarian crisis, at least there is relief in the form of stimulus in place, and payroll tax help for business owners.
We can tell our employees to stay home if they are sick and we as business owners can have a bit of help .
I’m not sure yet how quickly as business owners we can see payroll tax assistance. I will need to call for details . Quickly.
Our small city is calling a state of emergency to get ahead of the crisis as we have a larger population of pensioners/ retirees.
I hope this will be helpful to people especially when trying to distinguish between a common cold and Corinavirus. Apologies if some of it repeats what you already know.
Stay safe and well xxx
Subject: Re: Coronavirus
A friend forwarded this - am sending to you in case of use - includes drinking plenty of hot drinks ⬇️
“Coronavirus advice!
Here's some great advice we found from doctors on the front line:
Virus Detection:
• The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
• The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
• The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
• Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.
• Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection. It is strongly recommended to do this control every morning.
Prevention:
• The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day. These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.
• Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes.
• Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the esophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.
• For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun's UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you.
• The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so any face mask can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
• If an infected person sneezes near us, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
• When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel
• The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
• The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
• Washing your hands is essential. More details about GoSun's portable sink coming very soon.
• The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
• You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
• Disinfect things touched often: cellphone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etc
Please share this information with family, friends and acquaintances. We must take care of ourselves, for our good and the good of others”
EDITED BY ADMIN: A LOT OF THIS ADVICE IS INCORRECT - PLEASE REFER TO OFFICIAL WEBSITES FOR INFORMATION EG nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir...
I fear that there is absolutely no truth in the rumour that drinking a lot will kill the virus - whether it is hot or cold. The 10 mins rule on skin doesn't apply either. Nor do you only catch it from soft material - it is transmitted by droplets so being close enough to someone when they cough or sneeze is the most likely transmission but the virus then can live for hours on hard surfaces. Nor will gargling stop the virus - it gets in via the nose, not the mouth.
Social distancing and even isolation and, above all, hand washing are the two undeniable important factors. Please do not rely on unproven theories from "someone" - because this would be official advice here in Italy if the "frontline" doctors thought they worked. Drinking is important to avoid dehydration but it will NOT stop Covid19.
It isn't this particular list of info that is dealt with here
I don’t speak German (I know you do) but I think this is suggesting that Trump is trying to pay a German company to get exclusive rights to a possible new vaccine......?
It's like when Iceland said Greenland was a nation and not for sale... Held out and he refused to do planned visit iceland. Greenland is stuffed full of rubies, oil, diamonds etc that are being exposed by melting glaciers. Some things are not for sale. No means no.
I think the French teacher at secondary school scared most pupils off languages with his... More French.... less Yorkshire.. rants when you were trying to speak in front of everyone. 😫
One of our French teachers apparently came from a region of France with a very pronounced accent. A bit like teaching English to foreigners and giving them a markedly regional accent. The next teacher was shocked by this. But it didn't make any impression on me, languages other than English made no impression on me. Although I was reliably informed that as a small child I was fluent in Swahili. Or as fluent as a four year old could be.
That's the best age to learn a language my Dutch nieces and nephews all learned so early and even when they didnt speak English they understood everything. I did German and French at school and can read a bit of French but they speak too fast.
Unfortunately it didn't stick. Except, many years before The Lion King, we got a cat and I said we should call him Simba. it was afterwards a friend said it was Swahili for Lion.
Re Duolingo - I've been doing okay with French and Spanish but the Italian course got too difficult too quickly. For example instead of getting us well aquainted with one verb before moving on to the next they had a lesson with a new verb in every line. I gave up at that point and just do the revision. My memory is not good enough to hold six or ten new verbs in it all at once.
Haha. Actually there is a Gaelic college here, and we've hosted the Gathering of the Clans. But my own cultural heritage although it includes a healthy dose of Scot is really English. Had French all the way through school. French for one year at Uni, and evening conversational French course in Ottawa. Never any good at it!
Many, many thanks Valezio. This is the most extensive advice I have heard since this pesky illness became known. I am going to get my husband to print it out and will try, very hard, to follow these "rules".
Constance please be aware lots of them are of little or no use and in one instance downright wrong... Nasal washes... Look how long you have to wash your hands with soap and water and its still imperfect. Sorry valezio but that's my opinion.
Here's the link to the Stanford hoax from which a lot of your information is taken. Don't feel bad - I got hoodwinked too until put right! independent.co.uk/life-styl...
Constance... Getti g into territory beyond flu and pmr. Isn't that concern part of the leader of 33 to 45 you mention had... People he considered immigrants socially and geographically. 😊🌻
Thanks PMR Pro you have explained it so well. Here in Ireland we are not in total lock down but fairly restricted. Scary time for all especially the immunosuppressed. I suppose my adrenal insuffiency wouldn't be good news either. Trying to keep isolated but it's hard because I have a disabled brother who requires carers who come in each day. Keep safe all you soldiers and please God we will all come out the other side.
Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is characterized by mild symptoms including a runny nose, sore throat, cough, and fever. Illness can be more severe for some people and can lead to pneumonia or breathing difficulties.
More rarely, the disease can be fatal. Older people, and people with other medical conditions (such as asthma, diabetes, or heart disease), may be more vulnerable to becoming severely ill.
People may experience:
runny nose
sore throat
cough
fever
difficulty breathing (severe cases)
It's very similar to the Flu Virus, so I'm still calling it the FLU 😆
It is NOT similar to the flu virus - and yes, while 80% of the population may recover easily, this morning it is in the international press that a 48 year old paramedic in Italy has died of Covid19 - young, healthy and fit. Over 60 the death rate climbs steadily - and most of the members of this community come in that group, as well as some being on immunosuppressant drugs, all are on corticosteroids, which increases our risk.
If you don't come under that heading then it is YOUR social responsibility to help to protect the vulnerable by social distancing and hand washing so they don;t get put at unnecessary risk. That may even protect you better from the "flu" you seem so unconcerned about.
And please do not spread more untruths on this forum. I have enough to do without having to explain why your claim is false. If you, or anyone else, continues to publish information that has been shown by far higher authorities than me to be incorrect then I shall be forced to report and possibly restrict them.
I think you are angry with me for seemingly being dismissive if your ideas. If it's rude the moderators can delete it. I thought we had resolved any potential issues but perhaps not.
I was referring to your reply to UFC80, not angry, I never get angry, just thought it was a bit rude to call them foolhardy and the sand comment. Just my opinion x
PP! Will u be our presi??? You are so incredibly smart. You also give info that is truthful, accurate and timely. No small thing in this time of bull*** and lies.
I agree... Sadly in Italy she can't get out of the house at the moment.... Unlike most of us for who this is still a theoretical discussion and "choice" about risks.... She is confined to home and emergencies outings only so... Best placed to understand it... Yes ppp. 😷
I haven’t seen that report Dewdrop456, I know the 70+ have to stay home but surely they won’t restrict treatment to anyone regardless of age? Take good care & thank you for all the good work you do.
Hello valezio ,please see my reply to pigeon regarding where I saw it.Hopefully it not true.I was surprised.
I really love being a nurse and returned to Nursing last year after a 28 year gap.I wouldn’t want to retire now at all but it was wrong to bump our retirement age up .
My hospital seems well prepared I’m sure they will keep us safe.
Hello pigeonCI-HU,I saw it on my phone on the page that shows the news headlines,sometimes it’s from one of the papers but I think this was from ITV. I can’t check because the headlines constantly change as new stories come on.Hopefully it’s not true .I am glad that it won’t be me having to make tough decisions!I love being a nurse and can’t imagine retiring but it wasn’t right that they bumped up the retirement age twice.Take care,
Hi Dewdrop (what a lovely name), you do sound like a loving nurse, and I do hope that the news about putting the elderly at the back of the queue was just a cruel joke.
I can imagine how incensed you were when you saw this.
It is easy to slag off the NHS, but whatever its shortcomings are, they are certainly NOT the fault of the overworked, underpaid staff!!
Decisions are made up high by the 'generals'....you people are the soldiers who do all the essential work, but get the flack, and it is not right at all.
We should all try to lessen the stress in our lives (easier said then done), this current situation is not exactly conducive to 'relaxation'.
Thank you pigeon,I’ve been back to Nursing for a year now after a 28 year gap(5 children).I love caring for people and I am so proud and happy to get my identity back.
I’m really trying hard to control my reaction to stress but it difficult!
Well Dewdrop, at least those 28 years were not wasted!
I mean 5 children, and you should be proud of getting back to nursing after such a long gap; you probably had to go thru some sort of training all over again, and that takes discipline.
Stress...I so understand what you are saying. Glib advice to 'control stress', easy peasy. At times we feel overwhelmed and it is natural; but it will pass.
Great news about your hospital keeping its staff updated.
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So funny 
Let’s avoid fake news.
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