It's official! The Lancet says a high fibre diet is the way to go!!! Phew!!
We got to go with the flow on this one!! Just be careful out there!
Breaking News! A High Fibre Diet Is The Way To Go!! - PMRGCAuk
Breaking News! A High Fibre Diet Is The Way To Go!!
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Hmmm. Lancet should know. Unless it’s fake news and the Lancet is secretly being funded by bog roll companies!!!!
• in reply toDaisychain12
No fake news on this one Dc! This one could run & run! And lets face it sometimes you have too!!
No man can live on Pred alone!
Daisychain12• in reply to
Well if it’s fake news their reputation will be “ in the toilet “‘ !!!
The Lancet published Andrew Wakefield's fake research on MMR - and look where that has got us: a return of measles epidemics worldwide and many deaths as a result.
It was on the BBC News website. Recommended 25-30g fibre daily. Then it gave examples of how many grams various foods gave. Banana which I thought was high in fibre is only 2mg. Apple 4mg. Had better get up extra early to start chomping through all this stuff.
bbc.co.uk/news/health-46827426
• in reply toSnazzyD
Never mind a breakfast bowl! More like a bloody bucket or a nosebag eh!!
SnazzyD• in reply to
....and a change of underwear. Oops, lowering the tone.
• in reply toSnazzyD
You must be posh! What do you mean change!
SnazzyD• in reply to
Turn them inside out. Now this is lowering the tone
NoShitSherlock - if it'son the beeb the it must be true!
Oh this is so funny! After a nasty flare, I've just been put all the way back to 15mg of Pred by my doctor after three years of careful tapering. The whole experience has knocked me back but this thread has me laughing with tears running down my cheeks. Thank you
Sorry you've got a flare...how far had you tapered?
Just found your post...2 and a half and stuck in the bath! That post was 😂! But I'm sure you weren't laughing at the time! Are you still living with the centipedes?
Hi MamaBeagle! I was down to 2 and a half mgs, but had to raise it to 4 in October last year 2018. I stayed on that for 2 months but ANY type of slow tapering resulted in agonising pain. It became ridiculous, because my body refused to go back to 4. Even when I took 10 a few days ago, I probably experienced the worse pain. It's now Sunday, and my doctor said she'll get back to me tomorrow as she emailed 2 Rheumies for advice on where I go from here and should have their reply by then. The 15mg seems to have done it. I'm walking normally and even slept 7 hours last night AND got out of bed without the 'screaming pain' grabbing me every second of forcing myself out of bed. It was an absolute treat to read the thread about the effects of too much fibre. I haven't laughed like that for ages it's made everything look brighter and wonderful! Thank you for asking.
What a bummer! I got down to 3 and had to up to 7 when I had a small flare in July. Until then I'd been merrily reducing every month. Luckily PMRpro helped me understand it was a flare and to up the dose. So pleased you are sleeping, That is the one thing I have had problems with, It's getting better now I'm going down again but I can still wake up at stupid o'clock and not get back to sleep again. However I mustn't grumble - I haven't gained weight at all and I can still walk the beagles!
Me too!
I love your doggie photos Pepper,and regarding high fibre diets l eat green vegetables in moderation and as much as l would like to eat oranges and whole grains etc,l probably would be confined to the house if l did !!
• in reply toGrants148
Yer! See what you mean!.! A sort of self imposed house arrest!
Anyway not a diet to follow before an important interview is it!!
Pepper waiting for me to start watering! Loved attacking the jet of water! I used to soak the little rascal!
And what has PMRPro been posting for ages??
Anyway tomorrow I'm making what my irreverant OH and Child christened "Piggy Leekie" years ago. Originally "Italian Bean Soup", I uppd the pieces of Gammon, amount of leeks, buttterbeans and canelloni beans.
Plenty of fibre there.
• in reply toNuff1
Sounds delicious! I love Steamed leeks & crispy bacon anyway!
It appears they are blowing up the numbers using relative risk. The actual benefit is only 1.3% in All Cause Mortality and 0.6% reduction in heart disease. Or am I reading the Guardian report wrong?
"The results mean 13 fewer deaths and six fewer cases of coronary heart disease for every 1,000 people who eat high-fibre foods compared with those who do not."
Oooh that’s disappointing but why am I surprised? Bloody media distort everything. I’d have thought it would make a much bigger difference than that!!
• in reply toMahnahvu
Think you are right on that Mahnahvu. Almost anything can be done with Stats eh!
Hi Mahnahvu, if you are one out of that 13 you would regret not to have eaten more fibres.
I think the problem I have is that they are pushing "healthy whole" grains. It is one thing to get fiber from vegetables, but most humans don't actually metabolize grains very well. And show me a loaf of "whole grain" bread that isn't primarily made from highly refined flour. In additional to the added sugar that is pervasive in the western diet, it is all the refined grains that are fueling the obesity and diabetes epidemic. (Ask any diabetic what bread does to their blood sugars!) In my opinion, it is not worth the increased risk to the the population as a whole just to receive the super-small benefit shown in the meta-analysis.
In the UK maybe - here where I live we have real whole grain breads queueing up to offer their services. But I agree with you - wonder headlines by using relative rather than absolute risk. Nothing new there then!
Yes that is so true, the food is no longer complete and a bread is no longer wholegrain if one takes the time to read the list of. Ingredients. There is not only fakenews but also fake food. I work in a health food shop but we are not half as.busy as we hoped for.
Ha, that reminds me of my discussion with Eileen on low carb diet. My position was to eat instead high fiber diet, as Japanese do. When I looked at what I typically eat, it was 50-70 % carbs with high fiber content... and I have not gain any weight during my 3+ years with PMR. Besides, I prefer to have natural food and not take supplements for micro nutrients.
All whole, unprocessed plant foods contain dietary fiber, soybeans ( not tofu) , nuts, potato, etc.
If it ain’t broke ...... cxxxxxx
• in reply tonickm001
Guess we all react differently to diet & medication nick. Probably genetic influences & metabolism! To much fibre & I'm in trouble personally but I do like my veg & fruit. Have to be careful though otherwise I get the stomach gripes! ATB
If I ate that much fibre I would never leave the throne room!
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As I said somewhere else - if I ate the amount of carbohydrate food I'd need to get 30g fibre I'd be the size of a barrage balloon. The typical breakfast they suggested alone would fill me up for the day, never mind be almost my entire carb allowance to maintain weight.
And nowhere have I heard any mention of the contribution to diabetes so much carb could make for some people - and nowhere was there anything to say "for normal weight otherwise healthy" subjects.
In one breath there is someone telling us about an obesity epidemic and then they encourage a LOT of carb. Not a diet for anyone even threatened with diabetes because they are on steroids.
• in reply toPMRpro
Nothing joined up as usual with all this so called medical dietary advice is there Pro! Seems like one university team against another sometimes!
A new version of "University Challenge"! Your"starter" for lunch!!
What makes blood sugar spike ( and may lead to diabetes and obesity) is high absorption rate of simple carbs and sugars. However, add fibers to that mix and absorption rate (blood sugar) is steady and no spikes. It resemblance of steady levels of sugar if you eat protein and fat, because it takes time to digest food high in fibers.
I have not changed my diet a bit from before PMR. I also try to have balance between activity and food intake. As you know I am very active person that walks EVERY day 5km+ and also do long bike rides and swims at least 3x a week.
I just had dinner and I wish I can post pic, because it would show that it is 80% carbs or so...
Yes - well aware of how fibre works with BS levels. But everyone is different and the fact you are able to fo a lot of exercise also plays a major role in moderating your BS levels whatever you eat.
What I'm saying is that if I ate the amount of breakfast they suggest I'd not eat the rest of the day and I'd definitely not get the amount of protein or veg I need. Fibre fills - and it would fill me up so I couldn't eat other things. I do eat a fair bit of carbohydrate - in the form of salads and vegetables. I admit part of it is convenience for me - my husband eats very very little, historical and health related. He can't/won't eat whole grains of any sort. It's bad enough as it is but cooking 2 entirely separate meals os off the menu so to say - if I didn't have PMR, perhaps. As it is, I do and don't/can't.
I understand... I was talking in general about diet, not specifically about your situation. Sorry if it sounded differently. I know that we all are different and our lives and circumstances are different too. That was the gist of our discussion we had before, diet in general and role of carbs. I did bring up Japanese diet as an example of healthy balance, the diet that I adopted after I moved here.
I've never really given up my high fibre diet. I eat wholemeal bread (rye or organic wheat) , wholewheat porridge , wholemeal pasta and as many veggies as possible but very little processed food. I don't have bowel problems - get up, put on kettle , go to loo is my daily routine, except when on holiday if I don't get sufficient fibre. I did gain a bit of weight at the beginning of steroids for PMR and a little more when GCA required an increased dose. But since I've got below 10mg -currently 8mg - my weight is more or less consistent at 60kilos and a little lower in summer. I think common sense has to be our arbiter on this
• in reply tomaria40
Definitely maria. We are all different what suits & may have other conditions that effect diet! You seem to have sorted your requirements very well. ATB
I have to be LOW fibre. Too much fibre is just that, for me, too much. Not going into graphic details.
Yes - heard no mention of the people who can't eat high fibre - like a lot of IBS patients where fibre just causes havoc...
• in reply toPMRpro
Yes. My mother had IBS & was persistently prescribed fibre in a granular form. Never did any good & painfully bloated her out!
They are finally beginning to realise that IBS isn't always the same - not to mention that it is like fibromyalgia in being a lazy diagnosis...
I e had fibromyalgia for 28 years. Part of me doesn’t believe in it. 🥴
• in reply tokarools16
Yep! With you on that one karools! Pepper may have had this problem too! He could clear a room in minutes! Useful that sometimes!!
I know what you mean regarding Pepper,my sons dogs can also’clear the room’ sometimes !
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