Thiamine

[Yingtong22]

Can we absorb other B vitamins. ? think I might need vitamin B 1 I maybe need to inject it

I already wrote a post but it hasn’t appeared so I think I must be doing something wrong. Hopefully it will work this time.

[brenanddave]

Hi Yingtong22 How regularly do you have your B12 inj? Taking higher amounts of B12 can through the other B vit out of balance. I would suggest taking a multi B with less that 10mg B6 as it can become toxic. I take them for 4mths and stop for 2 mths, then continue again. Having said that! There are people that need high B6 for their particular bodies to heal. I hope this helps x

[Yingtong22 in reply to brenanddave]

Thank you for your reply.

I have had PA for forty years. For much of that time my injections were 6 weekly. I now self inject about every 4 weeks.

I cannot say I am symptom free but I am elderly and have spinal degeneration and osteoarthritis. I always have low HB but the GP puts low but to be expected

The reason I was enquiring about Vitamin B1 (thiamine)

Was because I have a worsening tremor and have read that Parkinson researchers are finding thiamine is helping to reduce tremor in some patients.

My concern was that if I can’t metabolise B12 orally why would I be able to utilise any other B vitamin

[wedgewood in reply to Yingtong22]

B12 is the most difficult vitamin to absorb because it requires not only stomach acid , but also the Intrinsic factor , in order to be absorbed . If I were you , I would inject b12 more regularly than every 4 weeks , as you are not symptom free , and also take a B12 complex tablet . You do know that you cannot overdose on B12 .

[Bellabab in reply to Yingtong22]

B12 is a very, very large molecule and can only be taken into the body using intrinsic factor which hauls it in for us. No other molecule requires that help. Looks as though increasing the frequency of your B12 injections could help. B12 helps with Parkinson more than anything else.

[Cornwaller in reply to Yingtong22]

You are right re thiamine and Parkinson's. If you Google Antonio Constantini you will find the studies also the work of Daphne Bryan who has written a short book.

I would advise caution re injecting b1 as there is a small risk of anaphylaxis and so a medical setting is recommended.

I know of one person with essential tremor who believes they can resolve their symptoms with b12 injections and oral B1 as detailed in the Parkinson's protocol in the book mentioned above. Whether this would work for others is not clear.

I am not medically trained and would advise you consult a medical practitioner re the pharmaceutical use of thiamine.

[MindfulSquirrel]

I seemed to need extra B1/thiamine when I started my B12 journey last year and still take 50mg daily. I’ve had no problems with oral. 🙂

[Bluebluesky]

I think your question is very relevant with malabsorption issues. I've recently had considerable improvement with the BetterYou multivitamin spray (absorbed through the mucous membranes in the mouth) after trying numerous oral multivitamins and b complex'es that did nothing for me at all. I would really recommend it to anyone who have the least suspicion about any malabsorption issues at all.

Further back I have also have had improvements from taking high dose b vitamins as separates. They have worked all right whereas the b complex and multivitamins didn't. Good thing about separates is that they allow you to figure out exactly what you are deficient in. By now I take both the spray and the separates.

A part from b6 you can't overdose the b's, so there is no risk to experimenting. I was deficient in b6, so that's one to try out too, but be carefull and just try it out low dose and see if there is an effect.

[Yingtong22 in reply to Bluebluesky]

Thank you for your comments. I think I might try the spray. I will report back.

I wonder if my GP would test my thiamine levels 🤪

[Bluebluesky in reply to Yingtong22]

Good luck, I hope your doctor will do the test! I would love to hear if the multivitamin spray works for others too.

[GalDriver]

Hi. Good question. Glad to see you're getting some great replies. I'm curious about something else, off subject. Does your name "Yingtong" have anything to do with The Goons perchance?

[Yingtong22 in reply to GalDriver]

Tee hee Eccles , yes I had a lovely old fashioned seal point Siamese cat called Yingtong a difficult name to call her on the door step.

Yes I am having some lovely helpful replies

Thank you Cornwaller for the very interesting information and the warning about anaphylactic risk.

[GalDriver]

hahaha....Oh to have lived next door to you then! You (at back door): YINGTONG-YINTONG-YINTONG-YINGTONG? Me, as neighbour: Ying-tong-yiddle-I-po! 😜

[Yingtong22 in reply to GalDriver]

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[B12life]

b1 is tricky. Much more tricky than b12.

B1 needs cofactors like magnesium, potassium and others without which there can be very bad consequences. It can also end up in over methylation which can make you sick.

It can be done. I say look up dr lands dale and Elliot Overton.

So if you do b1, it can be done and helpful but you should really educate yourself on it.

[Yingtong22 in reply to B12life]

Thank you I will be vigilant

[ottolinebear]

I have found Thiamax B1 (from Elliott Overton) extremely helpful. Anyone who has experienced prolonged high stress is likely to be short on B1. I like this supplement because it is easily absorbed and doesn't seem to have the paradoxical reactions that other forms can have. I took it daily for a year. Now I just do a month here and there.

[mchimes in reply to ottolinebear]

Ok recently found Overton’s content too and ordered Thiamax. I take it about once a week. I also work in Benfotamine which is a fat sociable source of B1 and more absorbable for some.