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I’m sure she’s right but I was told via text with no opportunity to reply or discuss so wondering if anyone here can shed any extra light.

I’m 8 months postpartum and still breastfeeding. I have a long term b12 issue for which I have injections every 8 weeks. Periodically my folate gets low, as it did about 4 months ago, but an over the counter breastfeeding multivitamin has sorted this out. However I still feel awful. Albeit I’m woken 4 times a night, sometimes for over an hour still, I am in bed next to my daughter from 7-7 so I still average around 7 hours a night just very broken. I don’t feel I should be suffering fatigue this badly. I’m also struggling to find my words, feeling dizzy, groggy, poor memory and mood swings.

For all these reasons I requested my blood be done again (I thought my supplement maybe hadn’t been enough to sort out the low folate. I’ll post the full panel below but only the MCHC came back high. From my own research it seems like it might be worth checking my thyroid levels but the GP isn’t interested and I don’t want to be pushy if it’s all in my head. I’d prefer that in a way - I’m too tired to pursue more tests etc unless there is an issue. But on the other hand I do feel awful and don’t want my daughter to suffer if I could be better for her.

Serum Folate

8.4

µg/L

+4.7 increase

in range

Absolute NRBC

0

10*9/L

no change

in range

Basophils

0

10*9/L

no change

in range

Eosinophils

0.1

10*9/L

+0.1 increase

in range

Haemoglobin

137 g/L

-2 decrease

in range

HCT

0.39

L/L

-0.02 decrease

in range

Lymphocytes

3

10*9/L

+1.2 increase

in range

MCH

30.7

pg

+1.4 increase

in range

MCHC

03 Jan

349

g/L

+13 increase

out of range

MCV

88

fl

+1 increase

in range

Monocytes

0.7

10*9/L

no change

in range

Neutrophils

3.6

10*9/L

-0.1 decrease

in range

Platelets

325

10*9/L

+7 increase

in range

RBC

4.5

10*12/L

-0.2 decrease

in range

RDW

13.2

%CV

-0.2 decrease

in range

White Cell Count

7.5

10*9/L

+1.2 increase

in range

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Hi Roo32,

Welcome to the forum.

You might want to read the info below over a few days.

Your folate result looks like it's in the lower half of the reference range.

Typical folate range would be about 3 - 20 ng/L.

Have you asked your GP if you would benefit from taking a daily folate tablet with RDA (Recommended Daily Amount) in it. Local pharmacist might also be worth talking to.

Do you have reference ranges for these results?

Have you got recent results for ferritin and other iron results?

Link about iron tests

labtestsonline.org.uk/tests...

Sometimes blood symptoms of B12 deficiency and folate deficiency can be masked if a person also has iron deficiency.

B12 deficiency (and folate deficiency) can lead to enlarged red blood cells (macrocytosis).

Iron deficiency can lead to smaller red blood cells (microcytosis).

Link about Full Blood Count (FBC)

labtestsonline.org.uk/tests...

Symptoms of B12 Deficiency (folate deficiency also mentioned)

pernicious-anaemia-society....

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

b12-institute.nl/en/symptom... (from B12 Institute Netherlands)

Symptoms of Peripheral Neuropathy (damage to peripheral nerves)

nhs.uk/conditions/periphera...

Peripheral neuropathy can be associated with B12 deficiency and sometimes with folate deficiency.

I'm wondering if you are getting enough B12. Many UK forum members here find they need far more than NHS will give them.

During labour did you have gas and air mix?

Gas and air mix contains nitrous oxide. Nitrous oxide inactivates B12 in the body.

When you were first diagnosed with B12 issues, how many loading injections did you have at start of treatment?

Recommended pattern of loading injections in UK for those with B12 deficiency with neuro symptoms is

a B12 loading injection every other day for as long as symptoms continue to improve (this could be weeks even months of them) then a maintenance injection every 2 months.

If your GP surgery only gave you 5 or 6 loading injections...that's the usual pattern for those who don't have neuro symptoms.

Search online for this document "NICE CKS Anaemia - B12 and folate deficiency" and look in Management section for recommended treatment patterns in UK.

Your ICB (Integrated Care Board) in England or Health Board in Wales/Scotland will probably have its own guideline on treating B12 deficiency. Try to find these if you have time.

Some more B12 links that might be of interest.

Some may have details that could be upsetting.

PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society)

Based in Wales, UK.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

There is a helpline number that PAS members can ring.

PAS membership is separate to membership of this forum.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

PAS website has lots of useful leaflets and a page for health professionals.

Unhappy with Treatment (UK info)?

How to write letters to GPs about B12 deficiency

b12deficiency.info/b12-writ...

Point 1 is about under treatment of B12 deficiency with neuro symptoms.

Thread about Patient Safety, has useful links for those in UK having difficult health experiences.

healthunlocked.com/pasoc/po...

Wrong ideas about B12 deficiency

It's quite common for forum members here to have met health professionals whose understanding of B12 deficiency is poor.

Misconceptions about a B12 deficiency

(From Dutch B12 website - units, ref ranges, treatment patterns may vary from UK)

stichtingb12tekort.nl/engli...

Diagnosis and Treatment Pitfalls

(From B12 Institute in Netherlands - units, ref ranges, treatment patterns may vary from UK)

b12-institute.nl/en/diagnos...

Two useful B12 books

"What You Need to Know About Pernicious Anaemia and B12 Deficiency" by Martyn Hooper

Martyn Hooper is the former chair of PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society).

"Could it Be B12?: An Epidemic of Misdiagnoses" by Sally Pacholok and JJ. Stuart (US authors)

Very comprehensive with lots of case studies.

Lots more B12 info in pinned post "Various PA/B12D resources".

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FlipperTD

Scientist, not medic.

As Lance Corporal Jones, Dad's Army, would say, 'Don't panic!'

That MCHC is perfectly normal regardless of what might be quoted on the lab report. I'm not surprised the GP is not concerned.

Don't worry.

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phoenix80

Definitely worth asking to have your iron level checked if they haven't done that already? I was deficient in iron, folate & B12, have heard the 3 often go together

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