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Hi, I have been diagnosed with Pernicious Anaemia B12 deficiency and had my first injection yesterday, gotta go back to docs over the next 2 weeks for 5 more. Feeling very low at mo as never knew anything about this until blood test results from Coeliac clinic and didn't realise it was 6 injections over 2 weeks. I now have 4 auto immune diseases 1) Diabetes type 2, 2) Hypothyroidism, Coeliac and now PA. I'm beginning to feel that I have fallen apart over the last 10 years if first being diagnosed with Diabetes. I got use to eating as a diabetic with hypothyroidism, then I was diagnosed with coeliac 2 years ago and everything has gone to pot. Now only yesterday diagnosed with PA. REALLY what else can go wrong?

Any advise would be appreciated.

Marion

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Sounds like you have alot to deal with. Unfortunately if you get one condition your risk goes up for other autoimmune or similar conditions. It must feel overwhelming. Hopefully a good nurse consultation will help you with the overall management. One of my daughters has a balancing act. The coeliac diet with help your other conditions. 'Deliciously Ella' have load's of good recipes I've made. A dietician or nutritionist can also help you. Hope your b12 injections help you pick up . I realise it's difficult if you able to eat out but is doable. Hope you are feeling better soon and more able to deal with it all.

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Galixie

B12 deficiency is common in celiac patients who are not strictly gluten free. The damage caused by celiac disease leads to a lack of ability to absorb nutrients. Were you diagnosed with PA by a positive intrinsic factor antibody test?

If you were found to be deficient in B12 and no other testing was done, it possible that the deficiency is a result of the celiac disease. If it is a result of celiac, once you've maintained a strictly gluten free diet long enough for your gut to heal, it's possible that you will be able to absorb B12, and other nutrients, normally again.

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Hi,

Sorry to read that you're having a hard time.There is support on this forum and via various organisations.

"didn't realise it was 6 injections over 2 weeks"

I'm assuming you're in UK.

Recommend that you read all the UK documents further down this post if you're UK based.

UK treatment for B12 deficiency without neuro symptoms is ....

6 b12 loading jabs over 2 weeks followed by a B12 jab every 2 or 3 months.

UK treatment for B12 deficiency WITH neuro symptoms is ....

A B12 loading jab every other day for as long as symptoms continue to get better then a jab every 2 months.

Do you have any neuro symptoms eg tingling, pins and needles, tremors, numbness, limb weakness, memory problems, balance problems, tinnitus, word finding difficulties?

If yes to neuro symptoms and in UK, my understanding (I'm not medically trained) is that patients should be on second pattern of treatment. As far as I know this pattern applies what ever the cause of the B12 deficiency if neuro symptoms present.

After you have had your 6 injections over 2 weeks, how often is GP planning to give you B12 injections?

It's vital to get correct level of treatment as there can be a risk of permanent neurological damage including spinal problems if treatment is inadequate.

UK B12 documents

BSH Cobalamin and Folate Guidelines

b-s-h.org.uk/guidelines/gui...

Flowchart from BSH Cobalamin and Folate Guidelines

stichtingb12tekort.nl/weten...

BMJ B12 article

bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g5226

BNF

bnf.nice.org.uk/drug/hydrox...

BNF guidelines on treatment of B12 deficiency changed recently.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

NICE CKS

cks.nice.org.uk/anaemia-b12...

Symptoms of B12 Deficiency

pernicious-anaemia-society....

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

b12d.org/admin/healthcheck/... (may need to be B12d.org member)

Risk Factors for PA and B12 Deficiency

pernicious-anaemia-society....

b12deficiency.info/what-are...

b12deficiency.info/who-is-a...

I'm curious to know if you have been tested for PA. In UK, this would be an Intrinsic Factor Antibody test (IFA). IFA test is not always reliable and it is still possible to have PA even if IFA result is negative.

Metformin, a diabetes drug has been associated with B12 deficiency in some patients.

Any concerns over medication should be discussed with GP.

NICE guidelines Coeliac Disease (2015 version) UK document

nice.org.uk/guidance/ng20/c...

B12 books I found useful

"What You Need to Know About Pernicious Anaemia and B12 Deficiency" by Martyn Hooper

Martyn Hooper is the chair of PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society). Book does not mention recent BNF change.

"Living with Pernicious Anaemia and Vitamin B12 Deficiency" by Martyn Hooper

Has several case studies.

"Could it Be B12?: An Epidemic of Misdiagnoses" by Sally Pacholok and JJ. Stuart (USA authors)

Very comprehensive with lots of case studies. There is also a paediatric version of this book "Could It Be B12? Paediatric Edition: What Every Parent Needs to Know".

PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society)

Based in Wales, UK. Has members in other countries.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

PAS tel no +44 (0)1656 769717 answerphone

PAS support groups in UK.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

There are currently 13 PAS support groups in UK.

B12 Deficiency Info website

b12deficiency.info/

B12d.org holds support meetings near Durham.

b12d.org/event

UK B12 Blogs

Martyn Hooper's blog about PA

martynhooper.com/

B12 Deficiency Info blog

b12deficiency.info/blog/

B12 Awareness (US website)

b12awareness.org/

Stichting B12 Tekort (Dutch website with English articles)

stichtingb12tekort.nl/weten...

Unhappy with Treatment (UK info)?

Letters to GPs about B12 deficiency

b12deficiency.info/b12-writ...

CAB NHS Complaints

citizensadvice.org.uk/healt...

HDA patient care trust

UK charity that offers free second opinions on medical diagnoses and medical treatment.

hdapatientcaretrust.com/

"Any advise would be appreciated."

B12 deficiency due to PA or other causes is not always as well understood by GPs and specialists as it could be. My main advice would be to do some reading about B12 deficiency in case doctors haven't.

With a diagnosis of PA, worth considering joining PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society) who can offer support and info.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

The best piece of advice I ever got was to always get copies of all my blood test results.

Help for GPs

1) PAS website has section for health professionals. They can join PAS for free as associate members.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

2) PAS website has library section with leaflets/articles that some forum members have printed off to pass on to GPs eg

"An Update for Medical Professionals: Diagnosis and Treatment"

pernicious-anaemia-society....

Another organisation that may be of interest especially if you have neuro symptoms is "Neurological Alliance"

I am not medically trained. More B12 info in pinned posts on this forum.

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