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I had an MRI guided focused ultrasound procedure performed. I wasn't skeptical of the procedure. This type of technology has been around since the 1950s. My right side tremor and dyskinesa have disappeared. The pain in my muscles around my neck and back disappeared as well. As a side note, this procedure is not covered by Medicare coding. It's been three weeks since the surgery. It's been a life changing miracle

But,

I still have Parkinson's disease. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have about the procedure.

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Parkie- profile image
Parkie-

Very happy to hear that. Where did you have it done? Switzerland?

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jacksmar in reply toParkie-

Miami - West Palm

sperlingmedicalgroup.com/mr...

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Parkie- in reply tojacksmar

The clinic link is about treating essential tremor. Have they been successful in treating PD patients but are not allowed to "advertise" it because of certification?

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John_morris71

Very nice! to hear that you have got relief/benefit out of that procedure. How long did the procedure take? Care to share the cost details and the name/location of hospital please ?

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jacksmar in reply toJohn_morris71

sperlingmedicalgroup.com/mr...

32k+

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jacksmar in reply tojacksmar

That procedure took about 6 hours total from preparation to observation.

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John_morris71 in reply tojacksmar

thanks for the info.

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Grumpy77

You said you still have PD, did you mean the disease is still progressing?

If the disease is still progressing underneath, does that mean that tremor might reappear again after some years?

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jacksmar in reply toGrumpy77

Yes, but we're talking 10 years or better.

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Fed1000 in reply tojacksmar

You pratically jumped back of 10 years. Quite right?

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jacksmar in reply toFed1000

That's accurate and well worth it. I despise shaking. The cost can be 10 times the price and it would be worth it. I never want to shake again uncontrollably. Not depressed, none of that woe is me crap. I've been pissed off for 10 years now. I'm just starting to get over it.

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Grumpy77 in reply tojacksmar

Is it possible to have a second procedure on top of the first procedure in say 15 years time or so to the same side when the tremor reappears again?

Or is it a procedure that can be done just once per to a side

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jacksmar in reply toGrumpy77

Absolutely. They're in the testing phase with this now in Europe. This will come along shortly. They were talking maybe 2 to 3 years in the USA.

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Trixiedee in reply toGrumpy77

They haven’t been doing FUS long enough to know if symptoms return. The Swiss clinic has been doing it for the longest and nobody has had symptoms return yet.

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kaypeeoh

I assume the MRI showed lesions. Where, neck, shoulder, brain???

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jacksmar

No, there were no lesions. My tremor was severe. I new something was very wrong Oct 2011 and I was diagnosed in Sept 2014.

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jacksmar

It is my feeling that the FDA has been in the way of this procedure for some time now. The same can be said for genetic engineering research that occurred in the early eighties. It's time for the medical field to stand up for the patient. As I said, FUS technology has been around since the 1950s. At some point, phase one is over and Medicare can cover the coding.

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faridaro

Can you please tell who performed the procedure and about doctor's credentials?

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jacksmar in reply tofaridaro

healthgrades.com/physician/...

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faridaro in reply tojacksmar

Thank you!

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lenamm

Did you have thalamotomy? I'm assuming so since it is currently the only FDA approved FUS for PT. Glad it helped so much! I had PTT done 9 months ago by FUS.

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jacksmar

Yes, but a new technique. An old article on a new technique.

medscape.com/viewarticle/80...

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Zella23

I m so pleased to hear you are feeling better from the above procedure. Shows so much hope with this awful condition. Just a couple of questions I was wondering about.

Was your worst symptom the tremor, or was it pain, stiffness, dyskinesia? Did you respond to meds or did they never work for you?

My husband has Parkinson’s and the Swiss Clinic is the nearest to us but they seem to focus on looking at tremor dominant Parkinson’s. This isn’t one of my husbands worse symptoms but he has most of the others.

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jacksmar in reply toZella23

My worst symptom was the tremor. The dyskinesia started running a close second because of the pain and stiffness. My medicine worked early on but I'm a big guy. 6'3" 235 pounds. This became a burden with parkinson's disease. I was always tired and couldn't complete a task towards the end. I'm much better now and then down to 215 lbs. And I was active beyond words prior to having parkinson's disease. I was an IT director and managed 5 states. I was in a KISS tribute band. I fished in the Gulf of Mexico and the lakes north of Tampa. I am going to try and get some of that life back. And paint the house.

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Zella23 in reply tojacksmar

Wow you certainly were a very busy person! Hopefully now you ll get your life back - so pleased for you. What a great result. Certainly lots of hope for PWP. Thanks for sharing this and answering my questions.

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20fatcats in reply tojacksmar

No glad to hear.you have received help.vert encouraging.

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Trixiedee in reply toZella23

Did Dr Jeanmonod tell you he wouldn’t operate on your husband who has akinetic symptoms?

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Zella23 in reply toTrixiedee

No we haven’t spoken to him or contacted them - just been reading a lot about it from here and other websites. My husband has been dx for just over 4 years and going through difficulties with finding the right combination of meds after Azilect added in and seemed to make dyskinesia much worse. Now going to try Amanatadine to see if that helps.

He does take B1 and other supplements.

He’d just like to get some of his life back.

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Trixiedee in reply toZella23

When I spoke to Dr J he said he does treat akinetic PD but I haven’t managed to find anyone who he’s treated who doesn’t have a tremor. Might be worth contacting him.

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Zella23 in reply toTrixiedee

Thanks for your reply. My husband does get a tremor but it does come and go according to Meds and time of day, although they are getting more pronounced then 4 years ago.

He s has only just been prescribed Amantadine and started yesterday so he's going to see if it helps with dyskenisia.

Adding in Azilect helped with symptoms but again dyskenisia got worse and he had to reduce C/L and is now trying to balance dosage.

We ll have to see how the new Meds go and then make that decision.

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Fighttolivenow

So awesome to hear....this leaves many with so much hope for a better life. May i ask how old were uou when diagnosed? Any side effects you noticed ? What symptoms are you dealing with now related to PD? Did they have to shave your head for the procedure? Any balance or speech issues you notice?

Thank you for coming back on to share your experience.

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jacksmar in reply toFighttolivenow

I was 48 when I was diagnosed. I knew there was a problem sometime before that. My medicine caused the standard side effects. I'm still dealing with what everyone else deals with like weakness during off times, waiting for medicine to kick in, occasional rigid features. They did shave my head for the procedure but I have never had any balance issues. All my hair came back in gray which I can't figure out because I wasn't gray befor that. LOL

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gingerj in reply tojacksmar

This is really good news. I'm thinking of having PTT fus in Switzerland this year and it seems that everyone who has a procedure like yourself has reported positively. I too am sick of tremor and dystonia. I can't imagine a life without them now. This gives me real hope 😁

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Bianhua

DearJackmar, Congratulations on your successful MRI guided focused ultrasound procedure. It must be so deservedly life changing - I am so happy for you. This gives so many of us some hope in this difficult journey. So Thank You for being so generous with the information. Only one question. What cost does it have? I wonder if this procedure is being done in San Fco. CA

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jacksmar in reply toBianhua

Stanford University Medical Center

Palo Alto, CA

450 Serra Mall, Stanford, CA 94305

location tremor@stanfordhealthcare.org

location 650-721-4936

Radiologist

Pejman Ghanouni, MD

Neurosurgeon

Casey Halpern, MD

Neurosurgeon

Jaimie Henderson, MD

Patient Coordinator

Erika Lim, RN

insightec.com/us/treatment-...

32K+

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Bianhua in reply tojacksmar

Thank you again Blessings May you keep on improving

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luba1

I am very happy for you! Does it treat only tremor and dyskinesia or other parkinsons symptoms? As far as I understand in the future they will perform both sides? Thank you very much!

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jacksmar in reply toluba1

The dyskinesia and tremor were my primary symptoms. I'm much better now and they plan to treat both sides in the future.

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luba1 in reply tojacksmar

thank you very much!!

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Prakash1

How long have you had Parkinson's, my issue is extreme rigidity and wonder if this will help

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tigerclaw in reply toPrakash1

It will help in hand, and maybe one side only Prakash1... But my mom had big time walking and balance issues as well beside extreme rigidity. As I specified earlier, before you done it they should explain the downside of the treatment. They did not to my mother.. Just the lastminute and they put the paperwork front of her to sign.. She did not signed, and we left.. Waited two years to do it... Hopes this helps

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Prakash1 in reply totigerclaw

Yes thanks.

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Parkygal in reply totigerclaw

Please explain downside of treatment. Thanks Parkygal

jacksmar profile image
jacksmar

I had PD about 10 years now. I was very rigid and over medicated. I'm much better now. I was rigid in my right leg and wasn't aware of it. The results were very surprising.

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jimcaster

Congratulations!

Parkygal profile image
Parkygal

Please let me know what the procedure was and where you had it done. Thanks. Di

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Skydome

Thank you for sharing. Have you been able to reduce your PD meds? Thanks!

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jacksmar in reply toSkydome

Yes, my meds are cut half or better. For example, carbiopa levodopa 50/200 is now just 2x daily. I never took a pill outside aspirin in 45 years. I hate taking pills. But now it's manageable.

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tigerclaw in reply toSkydome

unfortunately can not reduce the Parkinson meds with Focused Ultrasound Skydome. And I explained before what happened my mom. She did not go for it, as she did not wanted to take a chance loosing balances and so on, just because they where able to reduce her tremor in one hand and one hand only what you can pick and chose.

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Trixiedee in reply totigerclaw

You can reduce meds. Everyone I know has reduced or quit meds!

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tigerclaw

That is sounds good , but did they explained to you why they able to do only one hand, Or did they explained before the process the risk of losing percentage of your capability to walk before you signed ?

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jacksmar

I don't understand your question. This is brain surgery so there's a potential risk with the process. I understood the risks. And my capability to walk has improved 75%. I don't protect my self while walking anymore. Most of you know what I mean by this. The FDA only allows one side at this current time.

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1953bullard

So do you still have a tremor on your other side? So far I’m 5 years in and still only affected on one side

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jacksmar in reply to1953bullard

No tremor on the left side.

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Panda30

Thanks for the info. Such blessings for you. May I ask where was it performed and the cost? What were your qualifying conditions? How long it took

Thanks much and God bless!

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Sandmanliz

There are many centers in the US and Canada. The newest center in the US is in Nebraska. Dr. Tierney out of Florida transferred there to open it. I’ve had an hour long conversation with him and he was delightful. I am sorry I do not know about the centers in Europe as I am in Colorado. One thing to notice is that if you get DBS or deep brain stimulation you’re not a candidate anymore . DBS has a lot of risk to it and needs to be tweaked all the time. Personally I would rather get focused ultrasound. I hear that Medicare is starting to pay for it in some states. Funny thing is the first I heard of it was on a commercial in a southwest Airlines magazine years ago . Neuravive is the company that makes the machine. Check them out. They will answer all your questions. Also have talked to someone in Seattle who is 10 years out and still has no tremor. He however had essential tremor

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gigi9

Are you in USA?

How long have you had Parkinson

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vwolff

Are you playing guitar again?

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jacksmar in reply tovwolff

Not at this time. My coordination and dexterity for something so complex may be where it needs to be in six months to give a try. I could play Vai, Van Halen, Satriani but I loved playing KISS. And I was the good looking one!!!! LOL!!!

CopyandpasteURL::::youtu.be/Uzkm1gv7keg

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vwolff in reply tojacksmar

Cool, keep me up-to-date on your progress please . I used to play keyboards in a DOORS tribute band but PD took that away recently. So, did they tell you your dexterity would improve over time?

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jacksmar in reply tovwolff

They always tell you that. Show me a guy with parkinson's disease that can play Satch Boogie. That is so cool. I love to play LA Woman. The song was well thought out. It kept the vibe through the time changes.

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Parkie-

Was there a waiting list or were you able to get the procedure done when you decided to?

What pre-op tests did you take? EEG, CT scan, MRI?

Did your PD neurologist agree with your decision?

Thank you

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jacksmar in reply toParkie-

Parkie, EEG,CT, MRI, NeuroPysch, Ophthalmology, chest XRay, and I may have forgotten a couple. I ask my neurologist to sign the papers. No questions asked. I'm on very good terms with her. She had me scheduled for DBS. This is something I don't want to do. I know my body and I would have taken a chain saw to my neck to scratch an itch I couldn't reach. I filled into a slot at the end of the year. This way my insurance covered everything. You seem pensive about the procedure. If you need to know more we can talk privately.

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ion_ion

Hi! I want to know if the FUS is also removing the sensitivity to stress?

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lenamm in reply toion_ion

None of the FUS surgeries have a direct effect on stress but if you have less symptoms stress is less in most people.

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ion_ion in reply tolenamm

Actually the worst symptom of the PD is the sensitivity to stress.

Before having it I was very stress resistant and could get in debates with no problem.

Now I can't do it anymore and try to avoid them as much as I can.

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William321 in reply toion_ion

Hi ion-ion

Sensitivity to stress was one of the first indicators to PD that I encountered, especially after driving longer distances (my favourite pass time was long distance road trips) whilst I have very little other symptoms at this time the stress issue now has greatly limited my driving to little more than a weekly trip to the car wash. My other significant issue is walking without developing the short step syndrome and loss of balance, I can do about 6,000 steps at this time before it all falls apart. (Recently I stopped at pedestrian lights and nearly fell into the traffic) Some days the stress thing is like a fire burning throughout my system. However at this time I am able to hide the symptoms, and mentally refer to it as PD incognito

I feel a bit of a fraud at this time as the first stages seem to have passed me by at the moment, I wonder if other forum members would post their anecdotal initial and progression experience. I have absolutely no knowledge of the condition or it’s progression at this time.

Best regards to all contributors

Bill.

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jacksmar

Agreed. And I would add that to avoid stress you need to add to your diet a large helping of Ted Nugent.

2X daily

Parkygal profile image
Parkygal

Did the procedure help with lack of energy and weakness?

Thanks. Parkygal

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jacksmar

Yes. Greatly. That's a great question because I sleep horribly. Since the onset of parkinson's I rarely get more than 4 hours at a time. I love my naps but I really was 6 to 8 hours sleep. I'm back to getting 4 hours of rest and a little more so it's getting better. As far as energy, I anticipate going to the gym after next week. And my wife has told me to get a girlfriend or two following about three months of gym. She knows I'll be back on top soon thereafter. Seriously, the weakness will come and go as your brain re-calibrates. It takes time but I have a lot less weakness than before. The truth is it's gonna be slow for parkinson's patients. But I plan to be back on top.

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Parkie-

Hi Jacksmar

I was wondering how you were doing since your post, especially about the weakness issue:

''Seriously, the weakness will come and go as your brain re-calibrates. It takes time but I have a lot less weakness than before''.

And if you haven't seen it, here's another member's update after a FUS surgery (PTT in Switzerland):

healthunlocked.com/parkinso....

Kind regards

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